The Refugee Crisis - Wake-up Call
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sasukesworld
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I didn't watched the video, but I'm totally against refugees. I have seen a lot of things about them.
Like 90% of them are economic refugees, we should deport them right away.
Those from war can come, but we can't help them all.
If a country is rich and no one suffers from to less money, etc, we can take war refugees.
Funny thing is, people who welcomed them in Germany for example were payed, that's not the first time people get payed for something like this.
Close all borders!
Like 90% of them are economic refugees, we should deport them right away.
Those from war can come, but we can't help them all.
If a country is rich and no one suffers from to less money, etc, we can take war refugees.
Funny thing is, people who welcomed them in Germany for example were payed, that's not the first time people get payed for something like this.
Close all borders!
I'm all for closing all borders but will you please stop sending weapons to rebels that somehow convert to Isis, eh, NATO?
I go to school in Amsterdam and today I helped a refugee go to the right place he was expected to be at to get help. He sat close to me for an hour and I could feel the distress radiating off of him. Sad sight.
I go to school in Amsterdam and today I helped a refugee go to the right place he was expected to be at to get help. He sat close to me for an hour and I could feel the distress radiating off of him. Sad sight.
That's the problem. You've seen 'lots of things about them', but you haven't seen them, haven't talked to them. You should give it a try. They don't bite.
Simply not true.
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As you can see, most of them come from war-torn areas.
Yeah, let noone come and noone leave, let's bring back the iron curtain.
Maybe the Netherlands should have done that to your parents too when they migrated in?
sasukesworld
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I'm not talking about stuff from the media. You have no idea how much I know about it, you have your opinion from the media, you obviously never occupied yourself with the problem.
How could I talk to them if they can't speak proper english or my mothertongue.
+ I don't want to talk to them, all they do is suck our money and homes. The majority does.
They come from their country because of bad economy, instead of trying to rebuild their homes they invate ours. No country has such a good standard that we can take millions of them. You don't see the problem, do you?
Almost every country has depts, with so many refugees the country get more and more. Our countries will look like theirs in a couple of years.
Did we help someone? No, not really.
You have no idea, it's not even funny. Ofc like 90% of them aren't war refugees. Don't bother me with a lame picture that shows nothing.
Yes, we should do that. Every refugee should be deported home, if they resist, I would've no problem to solve it with force.
They're cancer for our societies, one can't even argue about it.
The only positive thing is, that more and more people will turn right.
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I'm going to make a thread that goes a bit more in depth on this.
Some of them know English, and I've talked to one. He's a great person.I'm not talking about stuff from the media. You have no idea how much I know about it, you have your opinion from the media, you obviously never occupied yourself with the problem.
How could I talk to them if they can't speak proper english or my mothertongue.
+ I don't want to talk to them, all they do is suck our money and homes. The majority does.
They come from their country because of bad economy, instead of trying to rebuild their homes they invate ours. No country has such a good standard that we can take millions of them. You don't see the problem, do you?
Almost every country has depts, with so many refugees the country get more and more. Our countries will look like theirs in a couple of years.
Did we help someone? No, not really.
You have no idea, it's not even funny. Ofc like 90% of them aren't war refugees. Don't bother me with a lame picture that shows nothing.
Yes, we should do that. Every refugee should be deported home, if they resist, I would've no problem to solve it with force.
They're cancer for our societies, one can't even argue about it.
The only positive thing is, that more and more people will turn right.
@BOLD, that's called choosing to stay ignorant.
And, for some societies, immigrants can be very helpful. Also, they are in fact, fleeing from war, not a poor economy.
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That wouldn't have been a problem for them, really.
Anywho, I said what I said because it's only obvious you can't take in large numbers of refugees that will not be contributing to our economy the first 2 years whilst we have plenty of issues ourselves. Then again, Holland is guilty of sending weapons to Syrian rebels which turned into Isis soldiers so we contributed to this crisis, really.
If I was a multimillionaire I'd be happy to donate a million to shelter these large numbers of ppl until that million rums out. Kinda flabbergasting that hasn't occured yet but who am I to point fingers.
sasukesworld
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You know that most of population don't support it, that's only the government. We have to do nothing, the government should.
Some, but most don't.
Wow, really. They can be nice if they're in small groups, but with the amounts of them who are coming it will change quickly.
Just wait and see. They are by now raping women. Women have to wear long clothes because they could get offended.
No, that's called choosing not to blindly believe the media.
What are they doing? Prostest for better homes, food, phones, more money. Peole have to leave their houses, rent by the governemnt, to make room for them. The people paid years and years to live their, then some economic refugees come and they have to leave their houses.
No, not really.
Haha no they're fleeing from poor economy, you know why most of them want to come to Germany? Because you get money and everything.
Why don't they stay in their neighbour countries? Where economy is better? Because they don't get money and everything like in Germany.
You said you've seen a lot of things about them. By your use of language, I had a legit basis to infer you are the one drawing your info from the media only. I live in Budapest. I see these people every day. I helped them. Talked to them. Gave donations. I volunteer for a human rights organizations. So please, tell me more about the problem I'm not supposed to have occupied myself with.
Many of them do, and by your logic, I shouldn't talk to you either as your English is inferior to mine.How could I talk to them if they can't speak proper english or my mothertongue.
That's called ignorance.
"In France there are no different categories of immigrants or local people when it comes to welfare policies. It is thus difficult to know who makes or receives what. We do know, for example, that more immigrants claim unemployment benefits than non-immigrants: in the former, 17.3% of women and 16.3% of men are unemployed, compared to 10% and 9.7% of the total population.
However, a 2005 study by the economist Xavier Chojnicki revealed that while immigrants received more benefits for housing, welfare and unemployment than non-immigrants, they also contributed more than others.
The difference can be discerned in pensions. Immigrant populations have a different age structure. They are younger (comparatively too), and are thus more active (55% are between 22 and 55 compared to 40% of the population). Therefore they pay out more, all the while receiving less child benefit or pensions.
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"The overwhelming majority of migrants living in Britain do not need to learn English, they already speak it. As the most recent 2011 census showed only 138,000 of the 7.5 million non-UK born population in England and Wales cannot speak any English.
It is true that the main language spoken by 4 million people living in Britain is not English or Welsh but Polish, Punjabi or Urdu in that order. But 1.7 million can speak English very well, a further 1.6 million can speak it well and 726,000 can get by in conversation but have difficulties with written English.
This situation is likely to continue as the government has made passing an English language test a condition of getting a visa for work or study or applying for British passport. In addition, it has been made clear to unemployed people that if they are not prepared to learn English they will face benefit cuts.
It has long been recognised that the 138,000 who cannot speak English at all are likely to be among an older generation of Asian women who never learned English and so never worked outside the home or their community. In the past the government funded English as a second language or ESOL classes to improve the chances of integrating new migrants and those who have settled in closed communities. But in recent years funding has been cut and ESOL students required to pay up to £1,000 a course. Despite this courses are oversubscribed – an indication of the strong desire of most new migrants to integrate as fast as possible."
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1) Many of those fcked up countries are like that due to Western interference. Or at least, we do have some responsibility.
2) Turkey has more than 2 million Syrin refugees alone. In Lebanon it's about 1.2 million, in Jordan it's 600000- these numbers might be higher by now. So if they can take in so many refugees, why can't the EU of 500 million people take in 1-2 million?
3) What does having state debt have to do with refugees?
That chart is from UNHCR. Do you even know what that is?
But please. You may have the honors of showing me better stats.
I dare to argue.
You mean, to right-wing nationalism?
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Do you know why don't they stay in neighboring countries? Because they don't want to spend their lives and don't want to see their children growing up in camps where there is no more room for more beds and you can't even take a shower or use toilet.
And do you know why so many of them go to Germany? Because they have acquaintances/relatives there.
Fair enough.
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I keep hearing that ''it's the government and not the people''; okay, Europe or Western Europe to be specific, is a democratic region and it is the people who elect the government. So why do you elect a warmonger government and then say the people have nothing to do with it?
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They do go to neighboring countries. Other than Iraq, but that's because it's in no better position then they are. Turkey is taking a lot of people.
How is listening to what Syrians have to say in real life, blindly believing the media?
Also, if most populations don't support it, but the government does, their hands are clean? It doesn't work like that.
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sasukesworld
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I don't watch TV, so no.
Even if you do, you don't sound like that. If you think completly unbaised about the situation, you would get that they do nothing good for our society.
You helped them, that's nice, sadly you forgot to show them their way back home.
If you say so. But you know, I never invated another country, I don't lay on the back of others without giving anything back.
If the world wouldn't be so multicultural I wouldn't even have to speak english.
Nope, it's not. All you see is them, but you don't see the people living in countries they come to. You're ignorant with you left thoughts.
@ bold. You should always look where those studies are coming from. + which people will read or use it. Left people, who are pro immigrants, mostly some of their families are not born in the country they're living in.
1) Western countries, ruled by America/ Israel. The population don't support it, so no, we aren't responsible. America/ Isreal are.
2) Why should we? All they do is hurt our society, they cost a lot, need food, water. If they get food and it's not halal, we know how they react.
They act like monkeys, not humans.
3) If you don't know that, I'm sorry for you. Just think about it.
I'm on my phone, that would take too long. But I can if I get home.
It's funny how people argue and don't know what they're are talking about because they're baised.
I mean common sense.
A country with depts, hungry people, etc., can't take more people who are hungry and without money.
sasukesworld
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Most people are influenced by media, they don't see the problems yet.
It doesn't matter who we elect, nothing will change. Politics are all the same.
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The fact that most people believe in the media, is still the people's fault, in my opinion. We need to teach people not to believe everything they see on screens.
And it's funny how you're one of the more biased members on the base, with your reliability of the right. Any person who identifies with the left or right, are idiots.
Sure, they might be bad for societies, but we are worse for them, when we're the ones sending air strikes over their country, giving weapons to rebels, and trying to oust Assad.
If it truly is only the governments fault, and not ours, then it's our fault we don't do anything about the government, since we literally let them do whatever they want.
So, we have two choices. 1, do something about the government, or 2, help the ones we screwed over.
Or... 3, do nothing, because we are selfish bastards who lost all humanity, and if that's the choice we pick, then I'll pray for humanity.
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