The reason why Sasuke lost to Naruto despite being born of Perfection.

[Nick01]

Naruto>>>>>>>>Sasuke.

 

[King Of Pop]

Now, lets discuss Konan's knowledge on this subject. She has a sample size of one. The only rinnegan user she knows is Nagato. She has no way of knowing if other rinnegan users can have the same abilities.

so we should listen to you instead? ok.. all the pains abilities were credited to the rinnegan and not to nagato specifically, that simple.

again and again, you need to invest your time into the manga again before making any discuss.
For a person who is lacking in controling the chakra will get him nowhere, here there is evil chakra that all it wants is to consume it's user. If you read the manga you will notice that when Naruto is not being him self and when he is half/fully control over his action. All of that is coming from hard training. There are many many seletive ninja to be the next Jinchuriki but most of them failed even they are powerful one.

Unlike your sauski got his pills to fill up his power and help him stable the given power, without it he is just another victim...

i have no idea what you are on mate. he didnt train shit all the times kurama lent him chakra without his asking so spare me that crap. obviously talking about before he controlled it and obtained kcm.

funny how you dont mention the side effects of cm which is fatal if your body cant handle in the initial phases. you saw how surprised anko was when sasuke was able to control it. when he uses it, it erodes his body and takes his chakra, fuelling his hatred but of course, lets forget all of that and only mention side effect of kuramas chakra for naruto. lol narutards and their bias

 

[Tyris]

I see SB members still butthurt about his loss. Take away all borrowed powers and SM Naruto will stomp blind fodderuke.

Lol naruto cannot gain a definitive W against Le Sauce even in filler :bdpf:

But I digress: they're equal and naruto has never stood over Sasuke's body after a fight then walk away x'D

 

[take it easy]

Lol naruto cannot gain a definitive W against Le Sauce even in filler :bdpf:

But I digress: they're equal and naruto has never stood over Sasuke's body after a fight then walk away x'D

Tell me who said "I lost" and became loyal Narujesus follower in the end of Shipuuden?

 

[Honord Sage]

Sasuke own words and I quote “I Quit”. Sasuke wanted to Kill all the Go-Kage’s,Sasuke wanted to Make Himself Hokage. Sasuke wanted to destroy all the Tailed Beast. Sasuke wanted to kill Naruto. All this were Sasuke goals,and Sasuke failed because Naruto Uzumaki the Child of Prophecy stop Him. Its canon set in stone for all Eternity and none of you can change the events so accept what you can’t change or be labile Mad for that is what happens when you refuse to acknowledge the Facts of the situation.

 

[HENI]

Now, lets discuss Konan's knowledge on this subject. She has a sample size of one. The only rinnegan user she knows is Nagato. She has no way of knowing if other rinnegan users can have the same abilities.

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[TheUnbiasedOne]

No, i'm saying that "The Six Paths Ability" is a false description, certainly to claim that they are in any way a set. They are the powers used by Pain, they are not a pre-determined set of techniques that you can only have all or none of them. He has only demonstrated Chibaku Tensei and Chakra Absorbtion. That does not mean he has any of the others.

Oh, and if you aren't going to rebut me, don't post.

Chibaku Tensei, is the Deva Path, meaning he can use Gravitational Control.
He used the outer path to drain The Bijuu of their Chakra.
He used Preta Path to absorb chakra for the final Clash.
That's 3 out of seven paths, a heavy implication he can use the other four. Yes, it's a set.

 

[Rogue Pit]

so we should listen to you instead? ok.. all the pains abilities were credited to the rinnegan and not to nagato specifically, that simple.


i have no idea what you are on mate. he didnt train shit all the times kurama lent him chakra without his asking so spare me that crap. obviously talking about before he controlled it and obtained kcm.

funny how you dont mention the side effects of cm which is fatal if your body cant handle in the initial phases. you saw how surprised anko was when sasuke was able to control it. when he uses it, it erodes his body and takes his chakra, fuelling his hatred but of course, lets forget all of that and only mention side effect of kuramas chakra for naruto. lol narutards and their bias

First, you should listen to your gut. The same way Obito's knowledge of the uchiha tablet is limited to his specific character's knowledge. *What Im saying is Black Zetsu altered the tablet before his birth. So when he is describing the tablet to Sasuke we should all conclude that his word is not final because he couldnt have possibly known every single little thing like say Hagoromo, its primary source.

Second I just wanted to clear up a few things I think you misunderstood from my initial post.
Naruto being born with a beast that eventually gives him chakra but damages him in the beginning...

IS SIMILAR!!! to Sasuke attaining Cursed marked to boost his power/hatred, which in fact damages him as well.

But they are not the same.. First of, I get that whether or not it being a choice may not affect anything,
But the point is Naruto did not ask for Kyuubi. He was too young. Sasuke asked for a crutch. <-- period that is the purpose of my thread in a nutshell if you can't understand.

You asked why i mentioned uchiha's chakra pool that helps fuel their fire style despite naruto having more chakra.
It's to put them into perspective with the rest of the narutoverse. Kakashi was surprised claiming that genin can't do firestyle because it takes up too much chakra. A testament to both sides but thats exactly.. it! They both had enormous amounts of chakra.

Sasuke's physical abilities and eye powers can grow overnight by a traumatic event or watching someone as good as Lee pummel on you and copying his moves. He still has a train as bit... but
NOONE ELSE IN THE SERIES POWER CAN GROW SO EXPONENTIALLY fast. No other clan.

Naruto's Largest grow spurts occur during his training with Jiraiya. Chidori = Rasengan in efforts. IMO
Training on Mount Myoboku, Senjutsu
Waterfall of Truth, KCM

Kyuubi did not stop being a problematic hindrance to naruto until the climax of the war arc.

During this time Sasuke had
Trained with Orochimaru, Mastery of Cursed Seal, 3 Chevrons Sharingan.
Sparred with Itachi before his Death, Mangekyou (Without Curse Seal that gives him So6p-like powers, He would still be stuck in Tsukiyomi)
Fought at Kage Summit and asked Obito to transplant his brothers eyes, Eternal Man

This leads us to the final point where they are both given their final powerups.
I personally believe the two characters are equal in strength and diversity of their movesets. I actually love both characters equally as well.

But my purpose of the thread is to illuminate the fact that what Naruto stands for is true power, Strength through dedication and hardwork. Sasuke was strength through dedication and revenge.