[Theory] The reason why Naruto's Bijuu mode is so different, the True power of Ashura.

[Flawž]

2 theories in one day. :| Nice work on both tho.

 

[Six Paths]

2 theories in one day. :| Nice work on both tho.

Thanks, I was Kinda bored :|

 

[Kurama999]

My theory;
When Sage divided Juubi chakra into 9 parts, he then added some of his chakra only into the last bijuu Kurama.
This could explained when he win against Kurama, Naruto gain the cloak similar to Sage, and some of Kurama chakra.
Because Naruto body was small, Minato could only put the 'yang' Kurama.
When the 'yang' Kurama about to be taken by Madara, Kurama told Gaara to go to Minato and transfer the Kurama to Naruto.
This could means how Hagoromo knew what and how Naruto live.
Then finally, Hagoromo decided to 'entrust' somethings to Naruto.
That is why the Toad Sage said about destiny....child....

 

[Sir Blades]

Very well put together, nothing too complicated. Good job.

 

[LUMOS ULTIMATUM]

Nice theory. I would have to thank you because rep probably won't mean much.

 

[HairyTesicles]

good read i hope its true

 

[Seventh Sama]

Nice explanation..... I wonder if naruto can mix ashuras yang chakra with the yin kurama chakra to make a "full" kyuubi bm

 

[Six Paths]

My theory;
When Sage divided Juubi chakra into 9 parts, he then added some of his chakra only into the last bijuu Kurama.
This could explained when he win against Kurama, Naruto gain the cloak similar to Sage, and some of Kurama chakra.
Because Naruto body was small, Minato could only put the 'yang' Kurama.
When the 'yang' Kurama about to be taken by Madara, Kurama told Gaara to go to Minato and transfer the Kurama to Naruto.
This could means how Hagoromo knew what and how Naruto live.
Then finally, Hagoromo decided to 'entrust' somethings to Naruto.
That is why the Toad Sage said about destiny....child....

That theory is plausible, I think Hagoromo put his chakra into all of their souls. So if they were to trust someone, the Bijuu would give him their souls,

Very well put together, nothing too complicated. Good job.

Thanks for Reading =D

Nice theory. I would have to thank you because rep probably won't mean much.

Thanks for reading =D, and for the thanks too.

good read i hope its true

Thanks a lot =D

Nice explanation..... I wonder if naruto can mix ashuras yang chakra with the yin kurama chakra to make a "full" kyuubi bm

The chakra signature is different, a full kyuubi is Impossible but since there are all Bijuu inside Naruto, and He still has Ashura's strong chakra, He might get a level of power difficult to imagine.

 

[SkyGodHorus]

It's a good theory, but I think Ashura's form here has many possibilities. I agree and disagree with you in part. I think he may in fact have been Kurama's first Jinchuriki as the facial features, symbols and appendages are just too uncanny, but that he either mixed his version of the eight gates, which I believe he developed with it or as you said, his own massive yang chakra.

Naruto using the pieces of the bijuus with it was a good thought. Perhaps he will manifest multiple appendages as well, each one representing one of the other eight bijuus and using their unique bijuu damas or other abilities while Naruto and Kurama's power will be centered in the head of the form and their fused chakras will manifest two faces like with Ashura. In a way, the idea sounds similar to when the rookie nine joined with Naruto and Kurama to battle Obito.

 

[flyboyissac]

I was thinking the design for naruto was totally different then minatos had to prove something

But until a fact comes up I'm sticking with minato edo tensei body messed it up

 

[beast7960]

Assuming ashura wasn't a jinch and that cloak is just his own chakra, then Naruto won't be able to attain that power, which is why he's a jinchuriki. Ashura is that powerful because he's the son of the sage, where as Naruto is the son of an uzumaki and namikaze, the bloodline is too diluted for him to be as strong as ashura is without any help from the bijuu.

 

[boshans]

The Yin chakra was most likely from Naruto, Chakra can be made transparent and solid according to how Susano'o works, It might be even something only for the user.

Well, the Kyuubi used a Bijuu Dama when he was fighting Naruto when Naruto was trying to control his power with the help from Bee. If Kyuubi made it himself, he must have Yin chakra. I think this is just a plot hole that Kishi hasn't thought of to much, and doesn't really mean anything. Yes it's been said that Naruto has the Yang and Minato has the Yin, but Kishi I think is just overlooking the fact that you need Yin and Yang to make a Bijuu Dama, and there is no meaning behind it. Or I guess you could say that since Naruto and Kurama were fighting inside of Naruto's Bijuu World or whatever you want to call it, he still had access to Naruto's chakra, and took some from him even while battling.

I doubt it was for the seal, we never had another Perfest Kyuubi jinchuriki so I can prove you either wrong or right.

Well, Minato is kind of a perfect Jin now isn't he? The other half of Kurama was working with him also, that's basically what a perfect Jin is. I don't see why everyone thinks Minato's mode is different than Naruto's anyway, it's the same thing, just darker, because he has the Yin chakra, and Naruto has Yang.

My theory;
When Sage divided Juubi chakra into 9 parts, he then added some of his chakra only into the last bijuu Kurama.
This could explained when he win against Kurama, Naruto gain the cloak similar to Sage, and some of Kurama chakra.
Because Naruto body was small, Minato could only put the 'yang' Kurama.
When the 'yang' Kurama about to be taken by Madara, Kurama told Gaara to go to Minato and transfer the Kurama to Naruto.
This could means how Hagoromo knew what and how Naruto live.
Then finally, Hagoromo decided to 'entrust' somethings to Naruto.
That is why the Toad Sage said about destiny....child....

Eh, I kind of agreed with the sage putting his chakra inside of kurama or the other beasts before, but with this latest chapter, it is pretty clear that the sage just "is". He is just chakra, and he can do whatever he wants because he is that sage, that's how it was put out according to this chapter. I'm sure the sage could talk to anyone he wants to in their own mind like he is doing with Naruto, but he obviously doesn't feel the need, and he only talked to Naruto because Naruto is the reincarnation of his son.

It's a good theory, but I think Ashura's form here has many possibilities. I agree and disagree with you in part. I think he may in fact have been Kurama's first Jinchuriki as the facial features, symbols and appendages are just too uncanny, but that he either mixed his version of the eight gates, which I believe he developed with it or as you said, his own massive yang chakra.

Naruto using the pieces of the bijuus with it was a good thought. Perhaps he will manifest multiple appendages as well, each one representing one of the other eight bijuus and using their unique bijuu damas or other abilities while Naruto and Kurama's power will be centered in the head of the form and their fused chakras will manifest two faces like with Ashura. In a way, the idea sounds similar to when the rookie nine joined with Naruto and Kurama to battle Obito.

Honestly I don't know why everyone is thinking that Ashura's using Bijuu Mode, it doesn't look like Kurama, it does not, absolutely not, have the face of a fox, and the rest of it it just the body of a humanoid, with a lot of arms. Obviously it could look like Kurama because Kurama himself is basically just a human with a fox face and tails, and claws instead of finger nails. It looks more like Buddah or Hindu symbolism to me than it does Kurama, which makes sense, since he is the sages son. Naruto's Bijuu mode has the same markings at least because, well because he IS Ashura.

Assuming ashura wasn't a jinch and that cloak is just his own chakra, then Naruto won't be able to attain that power, which is why he's a jinchuriki. Ashura is that powerful because he's the son of the sage, where as Naruto is the son of an uzumaki and namikaze, the bloodline is too diluted for him to be as strong as ashura is without any help from the bijuu.

Well, you are kind of wrong there. Naruto technically IS Ashura, so I am pretty sure he is going to be that powerful. Ashura's chakra is reincarnated inside of Naruto, sooo that basically means Naruto is going to have the same beast chakra as Ashura. Well he already has beast chakra, but it will be even more so. The sage didn't say Naruto is the reincarnation of his son for nothing.

 

[SkyGodHorus]

Honestly I don't know why everyone is thinking that Ashura's using Bijuu Mode,

Because it's possible you are one person who is prone to mistakes like everyone else?

it doesn't look like Kurama, it does not, absolutely not, have the face of a fox, and the rest of it it just the body of a humanoid, with a lot of arms.

I'm sorry, but I believe it does. The faces possess similar ears, eyes and whiskers and the symbols don't need a second look, not to mention the claws and the canine like legs. I'm not saying it's a hundred percent or that I'm right and you're wrong, just that it's a bit uncanny.

Obviously it could look like Kurama because Kurama himself is basically just a human with a fox face and tails, and claws instead of finger nails. It looks more like Buddah or Hindu symbolism to me than it does Kurama, which makes sense, since he is the sages son.

Yes, and I explained it may be like that because he may have fused his own enormous chakra with Kuramas.

Naruto's Bijuu mode has the same markings at least because, well because he IS Ashura.

Then how do you explain Minato's bijuu mode resembling it?

 

[boshans]

Because it's possible you are one person who is prone to mistakes like everyone else?



I'm sorry, but I believe it does. The faces possess similar ears, eyes and whiskers and the symbols don't need a second look, not to mention the claws and the canine like legs. I'm not saying it's a hundred percent or that I'm right and you're wrong, just that it's a bit uncanny.



Yes, and I explained it may be like that because he may have fused his own enormous chakra with Kuramas.



Then how do you explain Minato's bijuu mode resembling it?

It is uncanny I agree, but I still just think that's because Kurama himself is more of a human than a fox. The marking and everything do indeed look like Kurama, but those markings themselves are buddhist/hindu in nature in the first place. Kurama himself probably would have noticed that Naruto was Ashura reborn if he was Ashura's Bijuu...I guess you could interpret that panel when Naruto first entering Bijuu Mode and the Bijuu's saying that Naruto is the old man's...(blank) as him being the old man's son reincarnate. Although that was meant to mean he is the old man's answer to true power being love or something, but now that I think about it it could be both.

And no I don't have an answer for Minato, but the only ones to have ever shown those symbols other than Ashura are Naruto and Minato, but it's probably just an oversight on Kishi's part making Minato's Kurama look the same. I mean I doubt he would have changed it just for that one time Minato used Bijuu mode, I don't think we should look into that to much, not everything always means something. From now on Naruto is probably going to be the only one who will be shown with those symbols, besides flashbacks of Ashura I'm guessing.

 

[Shadow Au]

Nice read and good theory. +rep.

 

[Dantee]

I could actually agree. Hashiramas life force is also at bijuu level even comparing Kuramas to his own.

 

[SkyGodHorus]

I could actually agree. Hashiramas life force is also at bijuu level even comparing Kuramas to his own.

But Hashirama has never manifested such a form.

It is uncanny I agree, but I still just think that's because Kurama himself is more of a human than a fox. The marking and everything do indeed look like Kurama, but those markings themselves are buddhist/hindu in nature in the first place. Kurama himself probably would have noticed that Naruto was Ashura reborn if he was Ashura's Bijuu...I guess you could interpret that panel when Naruto first entering Bijuu Mode and the Bijuu's saying that Naruto is the old man's...(blank) as him being the old man's son reincarnate. Although that was meant to mean he is the old man's answer to true power being love or something, but now that I think about it it could be both.

I didn't know they were sanskrit. Thanks for the info.

Yes, but Naruto at first started out weak just like Ashura and had to work to unlock his potential chakra. Perhaps that is why it took Kurama so long to recognize him. Kurama called him weak over and over throughout the series as well.

And no I don't have an answer for Minato, but the only ones to have ever shown those symbols other than Ashura are Naruto and Minato, but it's probably just an oversight on Kishi's part making Minato's Kurama look the same. I mean I doubt he would have changed it just for that one time Minato used Bijuu mode, I don't think we should look into that to much, not everything always means something. From now on Naruto is probably going to be the only one who will be shown with those symbols, besides flashbacks of Ashura I'm guessing.

I don't think we're looking to deep into it. Being that this is Naruto and Hagoromo's heir, the sire of the Senju, I'd say there's something significant we've yet to learn. That's why we should leave ourselves open to possibilities rather than jumping to conclusions.

 

[Six Paths]

Well, the Kyuubi used a Bijuu Dama when he was fighting Naruto when Naruto was trying to control his power with the help from Bee. If Kyuubi made it himself, he must have Yin chakra. I think this is just a plot hole that Kishi hasn't thought of to much, and doesn't really mean anything. Yes it's been said that Naruto has the Yang and Minato has the Yin, but Kishi I think is just overlooking the fact that you need Yin and Yang to make a Bijuu Dama, and there is no meaning behind it. Or I guess you could say that since Naruto and Kurama were fighting inside of Naruto's Bijuu World or whatever you want to call it, he still had access to Naruto's chakra, and took some from him even while battling.



Well, Minato is kind of a perfect Jin now isn't he? The other half of Kurama was working with him also, that's basically what a perfect Jin is. I don't see why everyone thinks Minato's mode is different than Naruto's anyway, it's the same thing, just darker, because he has the Yin chakra, and Naruto has Yang.

I meant we never had a full Perfect Jinchuriki of the Kyuubi, So we don't actually what kind of Bijuu Mode they used.

 

[davidou]

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Is that the answer?

The guy with 6 arms(Asura in buddhism) reincarnated in Ashura and then in Naruto?

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[Six Paths]

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Is that the answer?

The guy with 6 arms(Asura in buddhism) reincarnated in Ashura and then in Naruto?

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Yes, It is part of the answer.