the reason why Hinatatards keep spamming antiSakurathreads

[BenjerminGaye]

The Sakura bashing turned up since Hinata held Naruto's hand.

They are so scared that their little moment there will mean nothing. They are threatened by Sakura, obviously because they think something can do down even though they are sure NaruHina is cannon they still won't shutup about it and they bash everything Sakura does and slips Hinata into it.

I even heard one saying the hyuga clan will rise up and show to be even more important than the uchiha and it was destined for the hyuga and uzumaki clans to rule or some BS like that.

The lengths people go to to justify pairings is ridiculous, i bet not even kishi is going as far as some of them are. It's really annoying and because of them i shy away from anything with Hinata's name now.

Hinata isn't her own character anymore all her relevance in threads now are her being a better choice because of the children being uzuhyuga babies, they are turning her into pairing fodder she can't have a decent alone standing thread -facepalm-.

Until i see Naruto look back at Hinata and say what he has to say and not reject her, NaruHina isn't canon.

See in japan holding hands is a pretty big thing. In fact your're not supposed to hold hands in public( usually frowned upon). Its safe to say naruto hinata is cannon not because of that one moment but because her whole existence and relevance plotwise revolves around naruto.

 

[TJ0001]

implying that sakura hate threads are made by people who absolutely love hinata not just people who hate sakura in general.

 

[BenjerminGaye]

implying that sakura hate threads are made by people who absolutely love hinata not just people who hate sakura in general.

^This^ but im still confused as to the point this thread is trying to make and how itachi has something to do with it.

 

[Aim64C]

most anti-Saku threads are posted by Hinata fanboys

Hinata fanboys? Really?

I think you will find that quite a few people who dislike Sakura are going to have a preference for Hinata - but that doesn't necessarily make them fanboys. Nor does it mean that their animosity for Sakura extends from their preference for Hinata.

and no it's totally different
this thread is against Hinata wankers not Hinata

I don't recall granting you the authority to dictate reality.

You start up a thread against people having an opinion. Which is no different than starting up a thread against a fictional character. The only reason you think one is more rational than the other is that hate-speeches are a time-honored tradition of 'our' culture.

while Hinata wanker threads are mostly against Sakura herself Lol

Sounds like you need some culture in your life:

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Though something tells me you lack the capacity to understand, much less appreciate that work. Which is probably why you believe all Hinata fans can only bash Sakura - since you're incapable of understanding the posts of those who do otherwise.

That's not to say I am not critical of Sakura's character. Kishimoto is likely to blame for many of them; but most of my criticism of Sakura's character is that I see far more potential in her than she seems motivated to realize. But I don't hate her character.

And by that same token - I usually fault Hinata for not being aggressive enough to make proper use of her family's style; and for being quiet (doubting her own validity) where she should be contributing her perspective and experience.

 

[sthomasf]

Any tread bashing a character is stupid IMO, and any tread overhyping a character is also ridiculous.

Although I am a Hinata fan and hole NaruHina happens, some fans can take it to far for their own good.



Also, what was the point of this tread?

 

[Aim64C]

The Sakura bashing turned up since Hinata held Naruto's hand.

Where have you been?

Sakura-bashing has been around for quite some time.

Or have you forgotten about her 'confession?' Those were fun times.

They are so scared that their little moment there will mean nothing. They are threatened by Sakura, obviously because they think something can do down even though they are sure NaruHina is cannon they still won't shutup about it and they bash everything Sakura does and slips Hinata into it.

Honestly, it's because both 'communities' get off on antagonizing each other. Rather than simply comment on a character failing of Sakura's (be it the character or Kishimoto at fault) - they enjoy trying to slip in anything and everything that will get a rise out of the 'other side.'

I've seen good Sakura fans do the same thing in the "pairing wars" (because this is Twilight, now) - not necessarily because they dislike Hinata, but because they want to piss off the people who think Hinata is going to end up with Naruto.

I even heard one saying the hyuga clan will rise up and show to be even more important than the uchiha and it was destined for the hyuga and uzumaki clans to rule or some BS like that.

That's different than bashing Sakura.

Though, really - let's think about this logically. The series has been -heavily- influenced by world-views of 'religions' in the East. Taoism, Shintoism, and Budhism. Taoism is what formed the concept of Yin, Yang, chakra, the elements, etc. The Hyuuga are, also, directly linked with Taoism. Shintoism forms the basis for the Sharingan and its various abilities based around Shinto deities. Budhism forms the basis for the Rinnegan with the Rinnegan's abilities being tied to the various paths or 'tiers' of being.

The Senju seem to have a mild Hindu theme going on (diamonds on the forehead, giant-ass wood statue summon with a thousand hands... a budhist/hindu hybrid concept). The Uzumaki seem to have a sort of Mongul or even Hun (I know that's substantially western) theme to them ('barbaric,' brazen outsiders).

It would make sense that the clan most directly tied to the foundations of the series has some plot significance. Particularly considering the effort that went into the early interaction between Naruto and Hinata (which stands in stark contrast to his interaction with all other side characters).

Remember how there was a plot-oriented reason for us hearing about Obito? It wasn't just so we could be empathetic toward Kakashi - it was specifically to establish Obito as a character, and tie importance in with that history.

Those of us following the manga should understand, very well, how limited Kishimoto's 'story telling' space is. There's only one reason he ever spends five chapters on a character or family. If that isn't immediately obvious, it will become so. Sai was done few favors for virtue of his character - he was our window to Danzo and his policies/tactics (which directly relate to Itachi and, later, to his role in the Kage summit).

The lengths people go to to justify pairings is ridiculous, i bet not even kishi is going as far as some of them are. It's really annoying and because of them i shy away from anything with Hinata's name now.

*shrug* The pairing is a favored outcome; but is not essential for the basis of the above.

Hinata isn't her own character anymore all her relevance in threads now are her being a better choice because of the children being uzuhyuga babies, they are turning her into pairing fodder she can't have a decent alone standing thread -facepalm-.

That's likely due to the design of her character:

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She's Yin. Naruto is Yang.

Neither of the two can accomplish much of anything without the other. I make the relatively solid argument that the inspiration for the design of both Naruto and Hinata was from the Taoist concepts of Yang and Yin.

That is where her character is supposed to shine - is within the presence and interaction of Yang (Naruto) - and vice-versa. It's a little difficult to celebrate her character as a stand-alone. Naruto gets the advantage because we see and hear about him all the time - but a lot of his substantial character challenges are within the influence of Hinata (when he talks of being able to change destiny by defeating Neji, when he decides to uphold Jiraiya's teachings and find a way to end the cycle of hatred, and when he rejects the solution offered to him by Obito). With regards to the overall plot - the rest of Naruto's actions and strifes are water under the bridge. Kishimoto just takes us swimming in his character - and neglects Hinata (and many other characters) in that regard.

Until i see Naruto look back at Hinata and say what he has to say and not reject her, NaruHina isn't canon.

I don't know who in their right mind would argue NaruHina being canon at this point. It's just as canon as NaruSaku, NaruTen, NaruIno, NaruAya, Naru* . No pairing has been made canon.

That said - I'd have to say that the indications are that Hinata and Naruto were both intended, from the outset of the series, to play very critical roles in each others' lives. Whether or not that ends with an official or implied pairing is... well... not knowable until the series ends.

 

[paratise]

I am not a fan of either of Hinata or Sakura; but "bashing for wanking" is annoying, if someone thinks Hinata is a great character, most of the time he/she bashes Sakura and says "look Hinata is better than Sakura, she is awesome!", if you think someone is great, that character should rely on herself to be great, being better than any other according to a person's opinion does not prove anything and will only cause constant unnecessary bashing.

Imo, Hinata is not a decent character, her everything revolves around Naruto and that's the cause of her sole existance. She is the reflection of shy, "innocent", submissive fantasy who is only for her man, i can go far enough to say her character is a shame to being an independent and strong woman.

And I do not give a f**k about pairings, it still makes me cringe to think Neji had to die for a s**t of a pairing; I could not care less about who Naruto humps by the end of the series; 615 was a disgrace to a character's death and Hinata acted disgraceful to her cousin by thinking about holding her crush's hand.

And she get overrated a lot; look at my sig for goodness sake.

 

[Jim Rider]

All i see here is yet another Sakurafan making a thread about Hinata.

your all as bad as eachother.

 

[Joshutsu]

See in japan holding hands is a pretty big thing. In fact your're not supposed to hold hands in public( usually frowned upon). Its safe to say naruto hinata is cannon not because of that one moment but because her whole existence and relevance plotwise revolves around naruto.

I've heard the holding hands thing many times and the explanations I am not really concerned my last statement still stands I won't hop onto any pairing wagons until Naruto opens his mouth and exchanges actual mutual feelings. Pairings were cute and still are but just in the videos not for discussion.

Where have you been?

Sakura-bashing has been around for quite some time.

Or have you forgotten about her 'confession?' Those were fun times.



Honestly, it's because both 'communities' get off on antagonizing each other. Rather than simply comment on a character failing of Sakura's (be it the character or Kishimoto at fault) - they enjoy trying to slip in anything and everything that will get a rise out of the 'other side.'

I've seen good Sakura fans do the same thing in the "pairing wars" (because this is Twilight, now) - not necessarily because they dislike Hinata, but because they want to piss off the people who think Hinata is going to end up with Naruto.



That's different than bashing Sakura.

Though, really - let's think about this logically. The series has been -heavily- influenced by world-views of 'religions' in the East. Taoism, Shintoism, and Budhism. Taoism is what formed the concept of Yin, Yang, chakra, the elements, etc. The Hyuuga are, also, directly linked with Taoism. Shintoism forms the basis for the Sharingan and its various abilities based around Shinto deities. Budhism forms the basis for the Rinnegan with the Rinnegan's abilities being tied to the various paths or 'tiers' of being.

The Senju seem to have a mild Hindu theme going on (diamonds on the forehead, giant-ass wood statue summon with a thousand hands... a budhist/hindu hybrid concept). The Uzumaki seem to have a sort of Mongul or even Hun (I know that's substantially western) theme to them ('barbaric,' brazen outsiders).

It would make sense that the clan most directly tied to the foundations of the series has some plot significance. Particularly considering the effort that went into the early interaction between Naruto and Hinata (which stands in stark contrast to his interaction with all other side characters).

Remember how there was a plot-oriented reason for us hearing about Obito? It wasn't just so we could be empathetic toward Kakashi - it was specifically to establish Obito as a character, and tie importance in with that history.

Those of us following the manga should understand, very well, how limited Kishimoto's 'story telling' space is. There's only one reason he ever spends five chapters on a character or family. If that isn't immediately obvious, it will become so. Sai was done few favors for virtue of his character - he was our window to Danzo and his policies/tactics (which directly relate to Itachi and, later, to his role in the Kage summit).



*shrug* The pairing is a favored outcome; but is not essential for the basis of the above.



That's likely due to the design of her character:

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She's Yin. Naruto is Yang.

Neither of the two can accomplish much of anything without the other. I make the relatively solid argument that the inspiration for the design of both Naruto and Hinata was from the Taoist concepts of Yang and Yin.

That is where her character is supposed to shine - is within the presence and interaction of Yang (Naruto) - and vice-versa. It's a little difficult to celebrate her character as a stand-alone. Naruto gets the advantage because we see and hear about him all the time - but a lot of his substantial character challenges are within the influence of Hinata (when he talks of being able to change destiny by defeating Neji, when he decides to uphold Jiraiya's teachings and find a way to end the cycle of hatred, and when he rejects the solution offered to him by Obito). With regards to the overall plot - the rest of Naruto's actions and strifes are water under the bridge. Kishimoto just takes us swimming in his character - and neglects Hinata (and many other characters) in that regard.



I don't know who in their right mind would argue NaruHina being canon at this point. It's just as canon as NaruSaku, NaruTen, NaruIno, NaruAya, Naru* . No pairing has been made canon.

That said - I'd have to say that the indications are that Hinata and Naruto were both intended, from the outset of the series, to play very critical roles in each others' lives. Whether or not that ends with an official or implied pairing is... well... not knowable until the series ends.

Yes I know Sakura bashing has been there for quite some time, but before the holding of hands what did NaruHina really have to throw back just a bit and now ive seen that panel more than there are chapters of manga. XD

I think Naruto has accomplished quite alot on this series and she wasn't around, her getting beat up twice gave him a little motivation to win though and her last TnJ but those are just a few occasions i mean if i were going to show off the yin yang thing them needing to be together to accomplish things i would give HInata more panel time because Naruto has been in quite alot of problems.

Yes the only thing that annoys me most is the people spewing 'NaruHina is cannon Deal with it', i hate none of the two possible pairings but when people go off on things like that i really hope that kishi pulls a tobi and just disappoints them all. God knows i will be smiling at the end of the day regardless, it's not why i watch the series.

I can't believe a war is going on and there is still ongoing pairings threads, i think there have beeen enough of them the same discussions are just being circulated about it.

Hinata has really been inspired by Naruto throughout the series, but its a little different on Naruto's behalf. We will have to see. If theres no pairing at all by the end well ship ship ship (kakasaku) hehe!!

 

[Minagatachi]

Pairing threads
MINATO PWNS EVERYONE!!! threads
ITACHI PWNS EVERYONE!!! threads
And any threads that are made with the sole intention of causing flame wars between different anime
...
...
Are the things I hate most about mankind.

 

[Moegi of Akatsuki]

You're right as always.

 

[SpiderRider89]

the pairing wars are annoying, shes only bashed because they are afraid of competition. I always liked sakura and hinata but im def even more of a sakura fan now that so many people hate on her for stupid reasons. she deserves naruto like naruto deserves her and vice versa. hinata deserves naruto/naruto deserves hinata but it comes down to naruto's feelings..which he still has not addressed (in regards to hinata and there is a reason for that)

questioning why she is hated though will start as much of a war as a thread as saying sakura will end up with naruto. you cant defend her on here without haters lashing out over it. i think people should get flagged if they say anything insulting about either character prior to pairings and after pairings.

I knew I would find you here! lol XD

 

[SpiderRider89]

All i see here is yet another Sakurafan making a thread about Hinata.

your all as bad as eachother.

this ^^^^^^

 

[Aim64C]

Yes I know Sakura bashing has been there for quite some time, but before the holding of hands what did NaruHina really have to throw back just a bit and now ive seen that panel more than there are chapters of manga. XD

It's been there the whole time. It's just that few people actually analyze what they read... much less analyze the author through the work he's written. By understanding the author (especially understanding what he/she is not consciously inserting into their work) - you can often easily predict the end-game plots. Most books are conceived from the perspective of a primary conflict. You first envision a conflict and then work a universe out around it. The longer your series - the more difficult to conceal your end-game from the analytical.

The primary conflict in Naruto has centered around the often-used cycle of hatred and that has been manifested in religious/philosophical metaphors within the series... embodied as the Dojutsu.

It's all been there from the beginning. The only thing NaruSaku fans really have to throw around is: "Well, Naruto's never actually boinked her!"

I think Naruto has accomplished quite alot on this series and she wasn't around, her getting beat up twice gave him a little motivation to win though and her last TnJ but those are just a few occasions i mean if i were going to show off the yin yang thing them needing to be together to accomplish things i would give HInata more panel time because Naruto has been in quite alot of problems.

What problems has he solved without her?

Remember - his character is Yang. It's the energy, the life, the inspiration. His nature is to inspire change. That is what he did to Hinata. But it was Hinata who first gave Naruto's inspiration form. His inspiration allowed her to change - which in turn gave his character the substance that was necessary to continue.

His character remains largely unchanged afterward. He's solved no great dilemas and the only thing he's faced that was truly challenging was the foreboding threat of the Kyuubi. You can try and count Sasuke - but Naruto's character really hasn't done much to address that subject.

Even Jiraiya's philosophy and teachings are only arbitrary and mechanical in Naruto. It's not until Hinata comes along during the Pain invasion that we see Naruto actually accept and affirm those beliefs as his own - and act accordingly. This gives him the ability to confront his inner darkness and the Nine Tails. It is, also, this that allows him to finally reach a sort of inner peace regarding Sasuke.

All seems to be going pretty well when Naruto runs into a new problem. There are different ideas on how to achieve peace. One of his friends just died because of a war... because he wants to fight against Obito. But they both want peace, right? And then we get Hinata, again.

This, also, touches on the Taoist concept of Wei and Wu... or, more accuratly, Wei Wu Wei - "effortless action." By working with nature, one can affect great change through almost no effort and arousing almost no suspicion. It's actually very close to some of the concepts of chaos theory - that very small changes can radically affect the system. Think: "butterfly effect." Only in this case, "Hinata effect" - and that pretty much sums up the Taoist concept of Wei Wu Wei.

Sure - Naruto has won fights without Hinata around. But his fundamental principle that he carries with him through the show only changes after those two have interacted. It went from: "I'm gonna be Hokage-tebayo" to "I'm going to change destiny!" to "I'm going to end the cycle of hatred!" and, most recently: "I'm going to end the cycle of hatred, but the way Madara and Obito are going about it is wrong."

Just as Hinata has won fights without Naruto being around (it's just that the show is called: "Naruto" instead of "Hinata").

Yes the only thing that annoys me most is the people spewing 'NaruHina is cannon Deal with it', i hate none of the two possible pairings but when people go off on things like that i really hope that kishi pulls a tobi and just disappoints them all. God knows i will be smiling at the end of the day regardless, it's not why i watch the series.

Except Tobi was planned. That's why we got Kakashi's backstory involving Obito. It's the same reason we got Jiraiya's backstory involving Yahiko, Nagato, and Konan. Or Sai's backstory that set up the whole concept of Root (which I suspect will be coming back around when we deal with Orochimaru).

I can't believe a war is going on and there is still ongoing pairings threads, i think there have beeen enough of them the same discussions are just being circulated about it.

What's there to discuss about the war, other than Kishimoto's botched understanding of battlefield tactics?

Plus, the series has already nuked the fridge/jumped the shark/collected the dragonballs/killed all seven pains to get a free wish. There's no suspense in the combat. And with Twilight revealing far more about human psyches than is becoming of our species - it should come as no surprise that the pairing wars be an active part of discussion.

Hinata has really been inspired by Naruto throughout the series, but its a little different on Naruto's behalf. We will have to see. If theres no pairing at all by the end well ship ship ship (kakasaku) hehe!!

lol

I think Naruto's response has largely been subconscious. I think he holds Hinata in a much higher regard than many people believe; just that he doesn't really know how to deal with that. It's clear that he has self-confidence issues - as evidenced by his complete collapse when his friends are seriously harmed or killed (ironically enough - those have both been Hyuuga). He has difficulty in seeing his own value - which is the main hang-up his character likely has when it comes to dealing with romance on the whole.

I'm not sure who Sakura is likely to end up with. Kakashi wouldn't necessarily be a bad choice... just a little awkward.

There again - my dad was 20 years older than my mom... though they didn't meet until she was in her 20s.

 

[Joshutsu]

It's been there the whole time. It's just that few people actually analyze what they read... much less analyze the author through the work he's written. By understanding the author (especially understanding what he/she is not consciously inserting into their work) - you can often easily predict the end-game plots. Most books are conceived from the perspective of a primary conflict. You first envision a conflict and then work a universe out around it. The longer your series - the more difficult to conceal your end-game from the analytical.

The primary conflict in Naruto has centered around the often-used cycle of hatred and that has been manifested in religious/philosophical metaphors within the series... embodied as the Dojutsu.

It's all been there from the beginning. The only thing NaruSaku fans really have to throw around is: "Well, Naruto's never actually boinked her!"



What problems has he solved without her?

Remember - his character is Yang. It's the energy, the life, the inspiration. His nature is to inspire change. That is what he did to Hinata. But it was Hinata who first gave Naruto's inspiration form. His inspiration allowed her to change - which in turn gave his character the substance that was necessary to continue.

His character remains largely unchanged afterward. He's solved no great dilemas and the only thing he's faced that was truly challenging was the foreboding threat of the Kyuubi. You can try and count Sasuke - but Naruto's character really hasn't done much to address that subject.

Even Jiraiya's philosophy and teachings are only arbitrary and mechanical in Naruto. It's not until Hinata comes along during the Pain invasion that we see Naruto actually accept and affirm those beliefs as his own - and act accordingly. This gives him the ability to confront his inner darkness and the Nine Tails. It is, also, this that allows him to finally reach a sort of inner peace regarding Sasuke.

All seems to be going pretty well when Naruto runs into a new problem. There are different ideas on how to achieve peace. One of his friends just died because of a war... because he wants to fight against Obito. But they both want peace, right? And then we get Hinata, again.

This, also, touches on the Taoist concept of Wei and Wu... or, more accuratly, Wei Wu Wei - "effortless action." By working with nature, one can affect great change through almost no effort and arousing almost no suspicion. It's actually very close to some of the concepts of chaos theory - that very small changes can radically affect the system. Think: "butterfly effect." Only in this case, "Hinata effect" - and that pretty much sums up the Taoist concept of Wei Wu Wei.

Sure - Naruto has won fights without Hinata around. But his fundamental principle that he carries with him through the show only changes after those two have interacted. It went from: "I'm gonna be Hokage-tebayo" to "I'm going to change destiny!" to "I'm going to end the cycle of hatred!" and, most recently: "I'm going to end the cycle of hatred, but the way Madara and Obito are going about it is wrong."

Just as Hinata has won fights without Naruto being around (it's just that the show is called: "Naruto" instead of "Hinata").



Except Tobi was planned. That's why we got Kakashi's backstory involving Obito. It's the same reason we got Jiraiya's backstory involving Yahiko, Nagato, and Konan. Or Sai's backstory that set up the whole concept of Root (which I suspect will be coming back around when we deal with Orochimaru).



What's there to discuss about the war, other than Kishimoto's botched understanding of battlefield tactics?

Plus, the series has already nuked the fridge/jumped the shark/collected the dragonballs/killed all seven pains to get a free wish. There's no suspense in the combat. And with Twilight revealing far more about human psyches than is becoming of our species - it should come as no surprise that the pairing wars be an active part of discussion.



lol

I think Naruto's response has largely been subconscious. I think he holds Hinata in a much higher regard than many people believe; just that he doesn't really know how to deal with that. It's clear that he has self-confidence issues - as evidenced by his complete collapse when his friends are seriously harmed or killed (ironically enough - those have both been Hyuuga). He has difficulty in seeing his own value - which is the main hang-up his character likely has when it comes to dealing with romance on the whole.

I'm not sure who Sakura is likely to end up with. Kakashi wouldn't necessarily be a bad choice... just a little awkward.

There again - my dad was 20 years older than my mom... though they didn't meet until she was in her 20s.

it's weird how people still had all these assumptions about tobi when it was quite obvious to me that it would be said to be obito i had no solid proof but i just believed it made most sense.

What problems has he solved with her? I think the neji thing was more of avenging her and her helping him solve a problem, pain well she did make him go kyubi but i think that would have the same effect if it were another close person to him the speech she gave him snapped him back to reality i give her that.

But that is the only thing i wanted to point out from your response, i'll wait until whats sub-conscious comes up. I don't think kakasaku is likely at all it's just cute lol and my father was 15 yrs older than my mother and they also met when she was in her 20s so i can relate somewhat.

 

[Bijuu Bomber]

People just want their ideas to be right and the others wrong, it happens on everything, even dumb manga pairings.