the real reason behind Madara's drastic power

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Uchiha Madara was a legend in the shinobi world. The reasons:-

1. He awakened the MS and later on the EMS.
2. He was able to control the kyuubi.

But even with those powers he was defeated by Hashirama. Now many people consider Madara as the strongest and even place him higher than most and given the powers he showed in the war rightly so. But for once lets consider his sole powers and not the borrowed ones.

1. All the powers of sharingan and his exceptional ninja skills.

When we see the fight Madara vs the SA or Madara vs the Kages, we simply ignore a simple point he used mostly the wood style techniques in combination with his Rinnegan and Sharingan powers.....Madara with EMS was a legend....rinnegan made him almost unstoppable but still he could have been defeated but it was the senju DNA that truly made him invincible. reasons
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even if he had the rinnegan mastery when he came to life he could have been stopped but with Hashi's most of the techniques equalized or countered he literally had no equal. If he didn't had mokuton there is a slight possiblity that the five Kages might have had a chance of defeating him. Giving some thought to the situation it is notable that Kages simply had no counter to the mokuton techniques used by Madara. They actually did rather well to counter most of his EMS techs. Also the rinnegan techs he mainly used were Deva and preta(against the kages only) but never in conjuction.
 

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I wonder why Madara never gave everything he got. I mean, he came from an era when you were taught to do or die. It didn't make sense to never get to see his full abilities. His defeat sure fits his personality - a backstabbing, showing his weaknesses and "karma". But the fact that Kishi didn't explore him made a lot of fans upset.
 

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That whole begs question, how the strong was Hashirama in his prime ? To stop such strong ninja along with Kyuubi. Hell his Wood Budha made Kyuubi look like dwarf. And if he was so strong how the **** did he die ?
 

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I wonder why Madara never gave everything he got. I mean, he came from an era when you were taught to do or die. It didn't make sense to never get to see his full abilities. His defeat sure fits his personality - a backstabbing, showing his weaknesses and "karma". But the fact that Kishi didn't explore him made a lot of fans upset.
actually madara was well portrayed...i don't think Madara would be a shinobi to spam a lot of jutsus...rather he showed efficient taijutsu, presence of mind. He was swift and calculating while dispatching his enemies...i mean just look at it he used an explosive kunai thrown at him to kill two different ninjas by using the kunai and exploding tag seperately. He efficiently used Katon ninjutsu and Susano, he had awesome kenjutsu skills as well as using that uchiha battle fan.
 

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Most of his powers were stolen, and he had to come back to life to get them. He was one of the most op characters ever. He litterally came back to life from edo, solo'd edo hashi, solod edo tobirama Solo'd Naruto and Sasuke, and then solod the tailed beasts it was ridiculous, and he did that all with powers he wouldn't have had if not for hashiramas cells.
 
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actually madara was well portrayed...i don't think Madara would be a shinobi to spam a lot of jutsus...rather he showed efficient taijutsu, presence of mind. He was swift and calculating while dispatching his enemies...i mean just look at it he used an explosive kunai thrown at him to kill two different ninjas by using the kunai and exploding tag seperately. He efficiently used Katon ninjutsu and Susano, he had awesome kenjutsu skills as well as using that uchiha battle fan.
I agree, but I think it would have been nice if Madara showed himself more often in the story ability wise with great opponents, and personality wise, as we didn't even got to see Madara's perspective in the flashbacks.
 

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That whole begs question, how the strong was Hashirama in his prime ? To stop such strong ninja along with Kyuubi. Hell his Wood Budha made Kyuubi look like dwarf. And if he was so strong how the **** did he die ?
Hashirama in his prime was equal to EMS Madara in his prime, VoTE was a fight in their prime. And yes the use of bijuu counts as a Sharingan feat because the bijuu is being controlled just like an avatar.
 

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Most of his powers were stolen, and he had to come back to life to get them. He was one of the most op characters ever. He litterally came back to life from edo, solo'd edo hashi, solod edo tobirama and then solod the tailed beasts it was ridiculous, and he did that all with powers he wouldn't have had if not for hashiramas cells.
Well the sad thing is, edo hashirama was not mutated like madara was by kabuto to be above his prime and still stalemated madara so that shows me hashirama was in a league of his own, and only when juubito came out did he say that guy was more powerful than him
 

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Well the sad thing is, edo hashirama was not mutated like madara was by kabuto to be above his prime and still stalemated madara so that shows me hashirama was in a league of his own, and only when juubito came out did he say that guy was more powerful than him
Yeah that's true, Hashi was a monster
 

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I agree, but I think it would have been nice if Madara showed himself more often in the story ability wise with great opponents, and personality wise, as we didn't even got to see Madara's perspective in the flashbacks.
hmm good point actually...but from what we saw Madara seemed reclusive and much like a brooding type of guy unlike his younger self which was energetic and hyperactive of a sort.

Hashirama in his prime was equal to EMS Madara in his prime, VoTE was a fight in their prime. And yes the use of bijuu counts as a Sharingan feat because the bijuu is being controlled just like an avatar.
actually i slightly disagree...Hashi was definitely stronger.....from the flashbacks we saw Madara wasn't pulling any punches while Hashi was always careful about the destruction that surrounded their fight...also controlling the biju is a sharingan feat but it is not a genuine Uchiha personal power...if you wish you may include that but using bijus is debatable for some
 

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Hashirama in his prime was equal to EMS Madara in his prime, VoTE was a fight in their prime. And yes the use of bijuu counts as a Sharingan feat because the bijuu is being controlled just like an avatar.
Yeah well there was that moment when Madara used Susanno on Kyuubi. That is like double avatar and is still lost to that big ass budha ? Sasuke with Naruto using it took down Obito as jin and yet Hashirama took it down solo ? That is Op as ****.
 

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Hashirama in his prime was equal to EMS Madara in his prime, VoTE was a fight in their prime. And yes the use of bijuu counts as a Sharingan feat because the bijuu is being controlled just like an avatar.
No, a jinchuriki using a tailed beast is totally different then someone going and finding the tailed beasts or them luckily being there and using them in battle, yes it is a feat but not an impressive one since tailed beasts are idiots to genjutsu. Madara using kurama isn't like naruto using kurama since naruto can the separated they are basically 1 entity, madara without kurama would've been curb stomped faster than indra was in the filler.
Not being bias I truly believe there is a diff between jinc and summoning
 

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Yeah well there was that moment when Madara used Susanno on Kyuubi. That is like double avatar and is still lost to that big ass budha ? Sasuke with Naruto using it took down Obito as jin and yet Hashirama took it down solo ? That is Op as ****.
Doesn't changed the fact controlling the Kyuubi is chakra taxing and relies purely on eye power and skill. In the end of the day Madara's Sharingan feats matched Hashirama's body feats
 

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Doesn't changed the fact controlling the Kyuubi is chakra taxing and relies purely on eye power and skill. In the end of the day Madara's Sharingan feats matched Hashirama's body feats
Eh Madara never showed strain from controlling Kyuubi so that is not so legit. Kyuubi was supposed to change fight to his favor it was just his luck that he is against guy who can make him sleep.
 

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That whole begs question, how the strong was Hashirama in his prime ? To stop such strong ninja along with Kyuubi. Hell his Wood Budha made Kyuubi look like dwarf. And if he was so strong how the **** did he die ?
Went down by plot like the rest of the senju to make Naruto special
 

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No, a jinchuriki using a tailed beast is totally different then someone going and finding the tailed beasts or them luckily being there and using them in battle, yes it is a feat but not an impressive one since tailed beasts are idiots to genjutsu. Madara using kurama isn't like naruto using kurama since naruto can the separated they are basically 1 entity, madara without kurama would've been curb stomped faster than indra was in the filler.
Not being bias I truly believe there is a diff between jinc and summoning
Bijuu are extremely resistant to genjutsu. They arenweak only to Mangekyou Sharingan and Hashiramas Bijuu Binding Wood Release.

Controlling Kyuubi is a massive feat.
 
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