[Discussion] The Real Power of the Admirals & Vice-Admirals

Vandenre1ch · Sep 30, 2014

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Marine HQ Admirals

The Marine HQ Admirals are the greatest fighting force of the Marines and the pride of the World Government. I fell as thought that they are being underestimated and used to think that Yonko>Admirals, but now I'm not so sure.

Sabo vs. Fujitora

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Sabo is covered in scratches while Fujitora is clean as a whistle. Post-Mera Sabo is barely stronger than Doflamingo and yet he still couldn't scratch an Admiral(even though the fight wasn't finished). That means even people like Doflamingo, Kuma, Jozu, Magellan, Jimbei, Hancock, Luffy, Kidd and Law would struggle HEAVILY and be covered in wounds n' scratches before they even harn one hair on an Admiral's head.

The Original 3 Admirals

At Marineford, the dog, pheasant and monkey recieved little-to-no injuries despite them fighting the best of the best. Kizaru is completely unharmed, Aokiji only has a couple scratches and Akainu is bleeding.

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Kizaru fought toe-to-toe with Old Whitebeard and dueled with Marco the Phoniex....and didn't recieve a scratch.

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Couldn't make the pic bigger sorry. Is this canon? Cause I don't recall seeing this in the manga.

Aokiji fought toe-to-toe with Old Whitebeard and didn't recieve a scratch. Infact, Aokiji was in control of their little scuffle. Aokiji only recieved a scratch because of a surprise attack from Jozu.

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Akainu stalemated Old Whitebeard without getting hurt. He was also really eager to fight Whitebeard.

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Akainu recieved his ONLY injury because of a surprise attack from Whitebeard.

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Even after recieving 2 point blank Gura punches, Akainu still went on to do thing like this:

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It took Shanks to stop Akainu's Rampage but the other Admirals STILL went after Luffy.

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The Admirals aren't ones to be underestimated. All it takes is a single moment of weakness for an Admiral to capitalize on it and achieve victory.

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Quick Notes

When Benn Beckman pointed a gun at Kizaru, he wasn't that far away and Kizaru was a sitting duck. Moving at the speed of light takes prep time as he has to charge and glow. As soon as Beckman sees Kizaru glow, he would've shot him with (which I'm assuming) with seastone bullets. Stopping his attack was a wise move for Kizaru. CoO or no, the risk of getting hit with seastone bulltes was too high.

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The Blackbeard Pirates ran away from Akainu even because they knew he'll kill them all. Even with the Yami+Tremor Fruits they bolted. Why? Because Akainu is THAT powerful.

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The Mainre HQ Admirals are truly the greatest fighting force of the Marines. A single Admiral can wipe out multiple Supernovas at once(Pre-TS Supernovas atleast) haki or not and push a Yonko high-extreme diff atleast.

Marine HQ Vice-Admirals

VAs from left to right: Dalmation, Onigumo, Stainless, Doberman, Momonga, Strawberry and Bastille.

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VAs Tsuru and Yamakaji in the middle right panel.

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The Marine HQ Vice-Admirals are the 2nd/3rd greatest fighting force of the Marines(I know of the Shichibukai just bear with me). Just one rank below the Admirals but lets be honest; their performance in part 1 and especially in part 2 was poor at best.

VA Stainless

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VA Momonga

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VA Lonz(I know its Whitebeard but it really makes it look like the VAs are no threat whatsoever to the big dogs)

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VA John Giant(the fact WB used a Gura punch might be a good thing)

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VA Maynard

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VA Bastille

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The only ones to have a good performance so far were Smoker and Vergo. The Vice AAdmirals are dropping like flies but noticed a few things that may redeem them/ help them save face. The VAs who were defeated so far could just be your typical average VA while the Veteran VAs are much stronger. These Veteran VAs in question are Momonga, Onigumo, Doberman, Strawberry and Yamakaji(and maybe Dalmation).

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Potential Admirals+VA Momousagi

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Reader: Oda sensei, when is Marine Admiral Momousagi [Pink Rabbit] appearing? Sexy Dynamites Momousagi will blow everyone up. No, I doubt the bombarding rumors! I'm waiting to no longer be able to sleep at nights (the wait has made me sleepless?).
Oda: MOMOUSAGI??? eeerm.. Right now the Admirals are Kizaru.. Fujitora.. Ryokugyuu.. Momousagi??? Aaa, that person,right.. I have m-many Vice Admirals. She was a candindate for Admiral that person, right? M-many vice admirals… Well,let me show you already. (this is) Vice Admiral Momousagi (and the arrow points to picture). The remaining of the answer, Oda speaks about the person being young & beautiful (Pink Rabbit) but she's not a model and such, sentence is hard to translate.

VA Momousagi almost became an Admiral. If Akainu never started the global miltiary draft, Momousagi would've been one of the new Admirals.

In another translations, it said other VAs besides Momousagi were candidates for the 2 empty Admiral seats. Out of all the VAs, the only two I can see being strong enough for the Admiral seat are Momongo and Onigumo.

VA Momonga

Momomga is the one most people believe to be the strongest Vice-Admiral because he is the leader of G1 in the New World. Because of that, I'll go into depth with him.

Momonga was tasked with retrieving Boa Hancock for the war with Whitebeard. The government must have had good confidence in Momonga's strength to think that he could handle Hancock.

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The Government was well aware of Hancock's history with attacking Marines. They've most obviously considered the chance of a Shichibukai relinquishing their title and the chance of a fight breaking out. Even with this knowledge, they sent VA Momonga to retrive Hancock because they believed in his strength.

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"But Momonga almost got turned to stone by Hancock. He had to stab himself to save himself."
Momonga is a freakin' guy and he's not made of stone unlike Onigumo, Mihawk, Moriah etc.. Hell, even Magellan became a sucker for Hancock while Hannaybel is seemingly immune.

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At Marineford, Momonga(along with VA Dalmation) outclassed Luffy(injured). He wasn't an opponnet that Luffy could simply slip pass.

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VA Onigumo

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From the get-go, Onigumo was revealed to have the same absolute justice ideals as Akainu.

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Onigumo was tasked with delievering Fire Fist Ace, a logia, to Marineford. Like with Momongo, the government are well aware of the possibility of Ace somehow breaking free and/or WB coming to his aid. Even with this, they believed Onigumo could handle it.

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This says alot about Onigumo's possible strength. The execution of Ace was the highest priority of the WG and they definitely wouldn't take any chances.

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Onigumo was able to put seastone hancuffs on Marco which I view as a feat. Remember what I said about Admirals capitalizing off of any given sign of weakness? Its just what Onigumo did.

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In that scan, Onigumo doesn't have a scratch on him. I only mention that because it was the last time we see Onigumo during the war and his fellow VAs, Tsuru, Momongo and Bastille, are covered in scratches.

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And lets not overlook that weird spider-like zoan he may have.

Conclusion

This is all. Take Jimbei's words into consideration.

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Itachirules · Sep 30, 2014

done **** sucking yet?
srh i meant good points raised now i see that admirals are stronger XD to be honest i thought whitebeard could one shot akainu at first then im like why isnt he dead yet omg

juzumaki · Sep 30, 2014

its possible that onigumo wasnt using a devil fruit to use that hair tech he might have been using kumadori's technique

Vandenre1ch · Sep 30, 2014

juzumaki said:
its possible that onigumo wasnt using a devil fruit to use that hair tech he might have been using kumadori's technique

.......good point. However, every info about Onigumo says he has a possible spider zoan. Its probably Oda trying to trick us.

Tomato God · Sep 30, 2014

The marines are a force to be reckoned with.

Forbidden Tale · Sep 30, 2014

Whole Marine HQ is there to stop 4 Yonkos. Impossible from an admiral to be on Yonko level.

Kizaru fought equally with Marco, 1st mate of Yonko crew and who is not on the level of Yonko, he is out of the list.

Akainu and Aokiji could be Yonkos because both were candidate for Fleet Admiral position.

jiraiya lives · Sep 30, 2014

I believe Stainless, Doberman, and Momonga to be the M3 of the VA's

Bogard · Oct 1, 2014

I had hope for Bastille. Turned out of be fodder. I consider VAs outside John Giant maybe to be fodders until proven wrong

VongolaX · Oct 1, 2014

Here's the thing with Whitebeard...

He was stabbed, coughing blood from his condition, and moving so senile that crocodile almost got him.

^^That was when Akainu was able to land a single attack because he took advantage of that..

Strip away any of those three, and Akainu would of died that day making Akoji the new Fleet Admiral.

You can't compare a guy who blew out Akainu's magma blast like a single candle stick on a cake.

Even Blackbeard did what Akainu did and took advantage of his disabilities, which later lead to his death by his crews hand.

sravan · Oct 1, 2014

yes.they are definitely strong but younkos are superior

Killua Zoldyck · Oct 1, 2014

Forbidden Tale said:
Whole Marine HQ is there to stop 4 Yonkos. Impossible from an admiral to be on Yonko level.

Kizaru fought equally with Marco, 1st mate of Yonko crew and who is not on the level of Yonko, he is out of the list.

Akainu and Aokiji could be Yonkos because both were candidate for Fleet Admiral position.

]Yonko also have an enormous amount of support dude, more so then even the Marines. And the Marines never send more then one Admiral at a time. Admirals are most certainly Yonko level. Kizaru had a short scuffle with Marco, a scuffle he would have been victorious in. Also important to note that Teach is a Yonko and it was said that Marco is one of the few people that can stop him. Also depends on what Yonko we are talking about. Big Mam is likely the weakest one (Might be a little sexist, but in truth, women are never the stronger ones of the group in Shonen), and can likely be beat by the weakest Admiral (Issho or Kizaru). While WB can beat any of the Admirals shown to date. Current Teach is probably as strong as the weaker Admirals (Kizaru and Issho) or slightly weaker (Based on how scared he was of Akainu, despite the latter arriving with basic Marines while Teach had his entire crew). Kaido and Shanks (Who are likely equal) are as strong or slightly stronger then the weakest Admirals (Issho or Kizaru). Akainu and Kuzan are stronger then all Yonko bar WB, I have a feeling GreenBull is going to be about as strong as Kaido/Shanks.

Uzumaki Macho · Oct 1, 2014

Killua Zoldyck said:
]Yonko also have an enormous amount of support dude, more so then even the Marines. And the Marines never send more then one Admiral at a time. Admirals are most certainly Yonko level. Kizaru had a short scuffle with Marco, a scuffle he would have been victorious in. Also important to note that Teach is a Yonko and it was said that Marco is one of the few people that can stop him. Also depends on what Yonko we are talking about. Big Mam is likely the weakest one (Might be a little sexist, but in truth, women are never the stronger ones of the group in Shonen), and can likely be beat by the weakest Admiral (Issho or Kizaru). While WB can beat any of the Admirals shown to date. Current Teach is probably as strong as the weaker Admirals (Kizaru and Issho) or slightly weaker (Based on how scared he was of Akainu, despite the latter arriving with basic Marines while Teach had his entire crew). Kaido and Shanks (Who are likely equal) are as strong or slightly stronger then the weakest Admirals (Issho or Kizaru). Akainu and Kuzan are stronger then all Yonko bar WB, I have a feeling GreenBull is going to be about as strong as Kaido/Shanks.

I hate to break this to you, but Shanks>Akainu(slightly though).

Mephew D Kensei · Oct 1, 2014

As for Teach bolting I assume it was his reasoning that Akainu wld destroy the ship before he let them escape with it, and also they were sitting in. a volcano then so its all crocodile in the desert plus a battle he has nothing to gain from and yes given the power of an Adimirak it wld have been a huge thing so even the raft might have been destroyed. BB stood a lot rose if he even took part in that fight.

Yonkos are not just strong men who have elite crewmates they r legends so while shichibukai r supposed to b intimidating Yonkos are default setlike that. It was also the way Marco n Beckman intarected with the admirals that caused all this craze were yonko first mates r 'admiral's lvl. so yonkos themselves must b far grander but for me Marco only showed he cld for a limitated amount of time hold off being stomped by an admiral so I always saw him as a near admiral tier. combatant as BennyB well alone did was ghe a hostile conversation nothing lly to show his battle capabilities and like I said these guys have been built up into legends lookcat Zoro even Isho commended in that outlet scufle of theirs and BennyB has been there longer than Zoro so I do think its highly likely he has a few of those slayer of 100bounty hunters stories to his name being floated all over the world.

Yonkos n Admirals r generally the same tier for me but I see it more as the power of an avarahe yonko is above that of the avarage admirals bit yes there are always slackers and exceptional pple in group dynamics so any Yonko vs admiral battle is subject to lots of factors and the out come is not so easily predicted .

Anduril · Oct 1, 2014

A yonkou is certainly stronger than an admiral. That much is pretty clear.

Olorin · Oct 1, 2014

Great thread, the Admirals are severely underestimated

Hexuze · Oct 1, 2014

Yeah agreed, you should add the interview where Oda said that Akainu can put an end to OP in a year if he was the protagonist.

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