[Discussion] The questions of Vegetarianism

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So I'm new here, and on my Konnichi wa! page, a member, who i think was blackstar, questioned my vegetarianism, saying that plants are alive too!

In this thread I hope to have a good discussion/argument with you guys about vegetarianism. I don't mind if you're rough, just do whatever you need to make your point as best you can. I like a tough discussion.
TO get to that first question.
I don't believe in the eating of animals because they, unlike plants, are sentient. I wont type up TOO much in this post.
 
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My reason is very much the same. Would you beleive that animals actually have societies like us? and religions, different dialects/languages around the world.
I just am against taking an animal away from their families for food we don't even need.
 

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well just by existing in this world we are killing and destroying a lot of living organisms,such as bacterias or viruses when we get ill,other microorganisms when we clean around the house....there is really not anything wrong with killing or eating animals,it`s all a part of evolution(evolution that has gone wrong in my opinion,but still..:D ) although i am a vegetarian simply because i feel different then i wrote above.i am too connected with animals to destroy them like that.but there is really nothing wrong with it.if someone wants to eat them,it`s fine.if not also fine
 

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Please. They experience pain, not mercy
You switch positions with that animal and they'll eat you without mercy. Animals are made to survive, not pity. Plus, plants are alive as well.
 
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Please. They experience pain, not mercy
You switch positions with that animal and they'll eat you without mercy. Animals are made to survive, not pity. Plus, plants are alive as well.
Unlike some animals who may eat us cus they're hungry or see us as a threat, we don't see the animals we eat us much of a threat, nor do we need to in order to survive. We can survive perfectly fine as herbivores, whereas some/many animals must eat meat in order to live.
 

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I have a question for vegetarians: How do you feel about animal research?
Regrettable, but fairly useful.
I'm not going to justify it either, it's messed up, essentially just us humans using animals for our own good. Sugar-coating it with "they live better lives than the free ones" and so on is just lame. Both good proof of how helpless we really are.

As for some other opinions/points made in the thread; I'm a vegetarian, but won't and don't repreoach others on their diet, so being defensive about it is a bit uncalled for unless given proper reason in the certain case. Well, if you're a cannibal and eat someone without their consent, well, you'll have committed a crime(oh lord, the implications on this one). It isn't really acceptable, and not what the thread is about, so yeah, I'll stop now..

Animals as well as plants are living organisms, but if I am to use the ever-so-popular concept of comparison: which means the least killing?
The obvious answer is plants. Or at least that's how it should go, following contemporary norms and tendencies in the art of comparison.

As for me, I do eat plants and fruits rather than meat, so as to at least give them(animals), even if only a wee bit, respite in our all-affecting destructiveness.
Also, it's a better long term solution; something about producing meat requiring a lot more water than plants or something.
Not that I'm one to talk about long term solutions (´・Д・)」
 
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I've cooked for a lot of vegetarians and have studied food science. Yes, a vegetarian can have the same nutrition that comes from meats. It just takes a little more variety and more money in the long run. As for a moral standpoint, plants too have shown clues of being sentiant. Take corn for example, able to call wasps for help when getting attacked by bugs through chemical signals. Now, things such as this may not prove sentience. Neither does a plant's inability to scream while being harvested disprove it. And there are even some varieties of meat eating plants, so meh. It is instinct to prey upon species we deem inferior. Eat what you wan't it's not on trial.

But I can understand the mass commercialization of meat being a problem. Like veal for example, yes it is tasty and very tender, but let the bloody thing live for a week. And it does quite sicken me how much meat is wasted even when a resturant/supermarket/etc. Is trying to save money.

The only ones I tend to harrass are the militant vegans, because it is hilarious to go through every single part of their lifestyle that they are infringing upon. Like mentioning how yeast is in the animal kingdom so a lot of breads are out of the question. How a car is driven by fossil fuels, sure there are plant fossils but how can one really tell the difference once it has converted into oil? But I digress for tonight, the screen is blurry :XD
 

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First of all, I like my meat. Not just because it tastes good either. It builds you up, as long as you excercise. The way biology works is if you put in fuel then burn it up then there's nothing left afterwards. People want to fix their diet when what they need to do is eat more fatty foods and go work it off all day long because now you have the energy if you just choose to use it. Now, guess what, because you were working so hard physically at a job, you actually get tired at night so you don't need those sleeping pills.

Did I also mention that because you're working hard all day long you don't have much time to lay around and think too much? This way you don't get depressed because you love your job, you've chosen to love your job, so now you don't need antidepressants. Do you see how these little things add up and fix everything else?

Just eat the meat.

Besides, I also wholeheartedly agree with this:


I love meat. I don't care what you eat. Just don't ask me to tip toe around your diet because I don't care.
Also this...

It's not my fault that they taste so good, Vegetables are for pussies.
...and a Wumbo comment...this thread is complete. I do agree though, but one could argue that it takes a real man to eat veggies.
 
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I'm vegetarian. Not for the same reasons as FTBIchigoKurosaki though. I'm allergic to a lot of food and I cannot eat red meat. I can eat chicken, fish, and turkey but it has gotten to the point where I just choose not too. I'll eat fish every once in a while, but it's pretty rare. I stick to a lot of natural foods.
 

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Animals eat plants.
We eat plants.
Hungry animals eat humans.
Hungry humans eat animals.

I see your point (I used to be a vegetarian), but I just started thinking more into it, and yeah. Those are just my thoughts.
 

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So I'm new here, and on my Konnichi wa! page, a member, who i think was blackstar, questioned my vegetarianism, saying that plants are alive too!
Well, they are alive by our definition of life. There has been some interesting research into root systems and how plants can send signals to alert each other to environmental changes. That's a little spooky.

I don't believe in the eating of animals because they, unlike plants, are sentient.
Sentience is much more difficult to classify. A bird pecks at itself in the mirror and acts as if it is another bird - yet can learn human phrases and use them in a roughly appropriate context (though they do not seem to be able to dissect vocabulary).

Cats are, according to the structure of their brain, less overall intelligent than dogs - but they possess such a strong and independent will that it is almost impossible to miss their character. Dogs, on the other hand, are able to interpret human behavior and it is suspected that they can also pick apart our vocabulary and be able to understand their use in a sentence.

Fish.... are just kind of floating there. If they have a sentience - it's nothing approaching what we identify with among mammals (such as dolphins).

Honestly, I can understand and appreciate your reason for deciding against eating animals. I won't make a display of eating meat in front of you to try and provoke or disgust you - and won't be an ass about you turning down meat.

That said... our body's systems have developed with meat as an important supplement (and in some cases staple) in our diets. Getting certain fatty acids/oils along with amino acids to form a complete protein can be pretty difficult (and pretty costly). Nutrition for vegetarian diets is something of a headache.
 
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