The power of the Senju Clan explained (Third Hokage prime explained throroughly)

[Codex]

Here's what the link says
The "Will of Fire" (火の意志, Hi no Ishi) is a recurring element throughout the Naruto series. It is an ideal rooting from the belief of the Senju clan ancestor that love is the key to peace.

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So first of all I'm not the only one who thinks that the will of fire originated from the rikodous himself.

Take a look here what the link also states
Sarutobi clan
"The members of this clan seem to be able to easily master high-level techniques, as Hiruzen became revered as the "God of Shinobi", and Konohamaru managed to learn A-rank techniques, such as the Rasengan, at a young age."

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Take a look here at the senju clan description
"Where other clans focused on mastering one particular skill, the Senju were masters in all skills, from ninjutsu, to taijutsu, to genjutsu."

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Take a look here at my OP


"Techniques similiar to the Rasengan, Lightning Blade and kage Bunshins were spammed."
"The Senju were chakra juggernauts and spammed the most powerful techniques and used forbidden techniques that other ninja could not use."
"You see what also made the Senju extremely powerful were the ability to use S class ninjutsu or kinjutsu with ease."


There is a relation whether you like it or not. The uzamaki clan are essentially senju if they weren't then tobi would have said Naruto I can see the uzamaki in you. No. He didn't say that......He said I can see senju in you.

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But I can tell the fire of the Senju dwells in you...

Your arguement directly argues with the manga. The fact that Naruto was related to the senju despite the fact he's an uzamamki is evidence that even though your last name may not be senju does not mean your not senju as the senju clan thinned and assimilated into the HIDDEN LEAF.

So until you can debunk that statement by TOBI FROM THE MANGA ITSELF Your arguement means absolutely nothing holds no water and is the one that fails. Next

With all due respect, your rebuttal is mostly irrelevant. As far as I can tell, TheGr8Uchiha is not arguing that the will of fire did or didn't originate from the rikudou, or that Naruto is not related to the Senju, so I don't know why you're bringing that up (unless it's merely to obfuscate the fact that you still haven't addressed his point). He has merely stated the fact that you have not proved that Hiruzen was a Senju, and his "argument" does not in any way contradict the manga. You have given several examples that suggest similarities between the Sarutobi and Senju clans, sure, but this doesn't prove anything. And if you disagree, I would kindly suggest that you learn the meaning of proof. It has never been explicitly stated in the manga that the Sarutobi clan descends from or is otherwise related to the Senju.

 

[knowledge561]

Hiruzen is not a Senju. The 1st was the strongest Ninja after the Sage [Kabuto stated this, Madara stated this. Kishimoto is making a point.] The Uchiha have large Chakra capacities. The Uzumaki have a great life force. Point--END!!!

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[lilshell43]

Lmao^

 

[TheGr8Uchiha]

With all due respect, your rebuttal is mostly irrelevant. As far as I can tell, TheGr8Uchiha is not arguing that the will of fire did or didn't originate from the rikudou, or that Naruto is not related to the Senju, so I don't know why you're bringing that up (unless it's merely to obfuscate the fact that you still haven't addressed his point). He has merely stated the fact that you have not proved that Hiruzen was a Senju, and his "argument" does not in any way contradict the manga. You have given several examples that suggest similarities between the Sarutobi and Senju clans, sure, but this doesn't prove anything. And if you disagree, I would kindly suggest that you learn the meaning of proof. It has never been explicitly stated in the manga that the Sarutobi clan descends from or is otherwise related to the Senju.

Thankyou. That is exactly what I was saying :scorps:

He did not address my point at all and completely went around it. :sy:

 

[Zaiigoukyou]

With all due respect, your rebuttal is mostly irrelevant. As far as I can tell, TheGr8Uchiha is not arguing that the will of fire did or didn't originate from the rikudou, or that Naruto is not related to the Senju, so I don't know why you're bringing that up (unless it's merely to obfuscate the fact that you still haven't addressed his point). He has merely stated the fact that you have not proved that Hiruzen was a Senju, and his "argument" does not in any way contradict the manga. You have given several examples that suggest similarities between the Sarutobi and Senju clans, sure, but this doesn't prove anything. And if you disagree, I would kindly suggest that you learn the meaning of proof. It has never been explicitly stated in the manga that the Sarutobi clan descends from or is otherwise related to the Senju.

It was never stated in the manga that it didn't.

I showed evidence that there is a direct connection between the senju and sarutobi clan and I also provided evidence that you don't need the last name of the senju in order to be considered senju.

 

[Zaiigoukyou]

Thankyou. That is exactly what I was saying :scorps:

He did not address my point at all and completely went around it. :sy:

I addressed your arguement.:sy:
Naruto was related to senju by TObi even though he's an Uzamaki..

It's extremely possible the senju just thinned out in the hidden leaf village since you know them and the Uchiha founded it.

 

[Arcaneos510X]

i would have loved to see one of sarutobi's fights when he was in his prime i always thought he was strong.

 

[Codex]

It was never stated in the manga that it didn't.

Fair enough. It also was never stated that Tenten is not Naruto's sister, but nobody believes that (ok, a few people probably do). The point is that the manga can't explicitly deny every possibility and still tell a story in a finite amount of time; some things must be taken for granted. For instance, until stated otherwise, it is natural to assume that any two individuals who don't share a family/clan name are not related. It is not natural to assume that everybody in the narutoverse is related unless Kishi has explicitly stated that they are not.

I showed evidence that there is a direct connection between the senju and sarutobi clan and I also provided evidence that you don't need the last name of the senju in order to be considered senju.

Ah, I think the confusion originates here. You seem to be suggesting that only the senju possess the will of fire, ergo anybody who possesses the will of fire must be senju. What do you mean when you say that someone is "considered senju"? If you mean literal blood relatives, I disagree. The will of fire is NOT something that is inherited through blood. It is inherited, sure, but it is inherited through teaching (refer to my earlier post).

Now, if you mean "senju" in a symbolic or metaphorical sense, as in anyone who possesses the will of fire is a "senju" because they possess the sole characteristic that defines a senju, then I agree wholeheartedly. In this sense, "will of fire" = "senju" as they are ideals, and anybody can be a "senju" because it is not limited by blood.

 

[TheGr8Uchiha]

I addressed your arguement.:sy:
Naruto was related to senju by TObi even though he's an Uzamaki..

It's extremely possible the senju just thinned out in the hidden leaf village since you know them and the Uchiha founded it.

Your not getting it, the Will of Fire is a belief, if someone believes in the Will of Fire it does not make them Senju.

Give me the link where it states the 3rd Hokage is Senju. Until Kishi states that the 3rd Hokage is senju he will be, but until now he is not Senju.

 

[psukkar]

nice post,

basically to recap;


your saying.

1) You need large chakra reserves to do powerful techniques often

2) You say the senju had alot of chakra.

3) The sannin and the thrid hokage also had large chakra reserves.

All true but the sannin other than tsusade and thrid hokage arent senju. YOu dont have to be a senju to have large chakra reserves but its does run the family so to speak.

Look at the raikages they are all bs stamina wise talking on bjuu. Kisame also had large chakra reserves. Also orocihmaru's stamina is quite different to jiraiya, he uses immort techs that make you think he has alot of stamina but jiraiya trumps him in this quite well.

 

[kibaclaw]

I stopped reading when he said yamato can't make leaves and flowers cuz yamato did inside the giant turtle shell when it flipped over.

Sorry for ruining your theory, looks like u spent a long time on it.

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[serpiente clan]

Nc rep dont reply to the hater

 

[Owarij]

i disagree with some of your points but I do believe alot of the people in the narutoverse have some connection to the S06P

and mostly the ones with high chakra reserves...do note however , that having high chakra reserves doesn't mean you're related to the sage... Kin gin bros show that anyone could have descended from the so6p and not know it...

JUugo, karin , suigetsu
Kabuto took all their powers then stated he was the closest to being the so6p... could it be that even they are Descendants? well we know karin is, but suigetsu and juugo? juugos ability to be one with nature, seems like something the sage would have.. could some of the clans have descended from him?

Sarutobi's seem to have extremely large chakra reserves, on the level of senju's ... not only that but they all seem to learn jutsu extremely fast.. low and high level.. Imo , yes, they could very well be connected to the sage...

or we could just be looking into it too much

 

[naruto s06p beastmode]

i read all of it makes alot of sense too me and i thank u for making it that long going through everything thouroughly

 

[BONTUL]

Kuchiyose Text Wall No Jutsu!

 

[gazmatic]

ok. here are my two cents.

all hidden leaf village hokages are senju or close/distant relativs of senju or interconnected with senju.

i read somewhere that jaraiya was naruto's grandfather.

i hav to reread to connect oro and senju but u made a decent point... senjutsu sanin etc

i think das y danzou hated wen tsunade got chosen because it was da same lineage and teachings of senju... i think he said that de village needed to be led down a different path by a different person not connected with senju... i didnt quote him because i dont kno the actual manga page where he said it but i'll search for it later...

it explains y oro waz so obsessed wid uchiha... he wanted to reunite body and eyes to become another SO6P. (my theory)

kabuto said he is the closest to SO6P and he has basically everything except sage eyes which is y he wants sasuke. makes sense.

(my theory) maybe itachi was fated to eliminate all uchiha so dat oro nor anyone else cud get their hands on an uchiha body... maybe the higher ups wernt only afraid of the impending coup... maybe they wanted to circumvent any "golden child" posibilities...

personally i dont see how i wud happen unless in my all uchihas alive hypothetical universe naruto grows up gets a daughter and she gets involved with an uchiha dude... I've never seen a female sharingan user. do they exist or maybe I missed them? i will reread to find out.

i have a theory about rinnegan.
(my theory) u need both senju and uchiha to unlock rinnegan. after madara fought the first he obtained seju cells and didnt die right after. havin both senju and uchiha he then unlock rinnegan.

with tobi given nagato rinnegan cud be digested this way... he "gave" him the rinnegan but not directly...but thru his bloodline. I think he is related to nagato... he looks pretty old so sometime in the past he probaly copulated with an uzamaki n boom. both senju n uchiha which nagato subsequently unlocked....

another theory... maybe tsunade had an affair with someone from the uchiha clan and they decided to wipe dem out to avoid embarrassment and save face... hahaha but das jus my ridiculous theory...

 

[HotShot]

Re: The power of the Senju Clan explained.

Awesome thread... My favorite

 

[psukkar]

I just hope this thread doesnt create floods of orcihmaru is an senju threads as its so not ture. or anyone else with large chakra reserves is a senju. For that matter Im surprised op didnt mention the third raikage his physical feats are legendary taking on the so6p's creation, the tailed beast 1 v 1 just like so6p did.


But thats if u wana look into it.