The power of plot

[Donald J Trump]

Have you guys not realised how this all works?

Plot.

All characters and powers are just tools l for the plot. It doesn't matter how many things you have. When Kishi wants something to happen, it will happen.

Do you remember when Obito used Kamui while Kakashi was in the dimension and he just punched him in the stomach? Kakashi could have stabbed him and it would have been over.


Do you remember how Madara was shown to be lazy?It was because he was too strong so Kishi had to restrict him.


There is a beginning and an end. No matter what powers anyone gets or what happens the character that has been planned to win from the start will win at the end.

No matter how much power Madara obtained he was going to lose in the end anyway. The show is called Naruto and most of us understand the story and how things work better but you have to realise most of Naruto fans around the world are 10-14 yo. The story is called Naruto and it's a shonen.

The MC will always win. The powers and the tools are there to give you an illusion that the MC is in trouble but in reality all the powers don't actually affect the outcome of the battle. The powers itself are not even consistent. Sometimes Naruto is fast enough where Kakashi can't even track him with a Sharingan and sometimes he is too slow to even blitz a guy that is 10 meters from him.

Sometimes Sasuke has powerful genjutsu and sometimed he doesn't. It's what the author wants so all the debates are meaningless.

Without restrictions when Madara was revived BM Naruto should have died many times when Madara and Obito teamed up.

 

[iNotorious]

For naruto yes. But in other fictions, plot can be manipulated by characters themselves.

Plot > everything.

Pseudo avatar of the author > plot > everything.

A clear example is Featherine of Umineko no Naku Koro ni.

''Users have absolute control of all aspects of the Verse in which they exist, and can freely alter its nature, content, inhabitants, history, destiny, etc. All rules can be changed on a whim or flat out ignored, as the user is literally the one dictating them.

Users are fully transcendent existences, both "characters" and "storytellers" of reality, controlling it like an author controls a work of fiction, with the same absolute power and overwhelming authority.

Users can notably grant themselves any life they wish, change any aspect of it, or simply start whatever they desire. As long lives tend to grow more boring, they are likely to embrace the path of reincarnation, either within the same world, alternate worlds, or brand-new ones created for the occasion.''

 

[Donald J Trump]

For naruto yes. But in other fictions, plot can be manipulated by characters themselves.

Plot > everything.

Pseudo avatar of the author > plot > everything.

A clear example is Featherine of Umineko no Naku Koro ni.

''Users have absolute control of all aspects of the Verse in which they exist, and can freely alter its nature, content, inhabitants, history, destiny, etc. All rules can be changed on a whim or flat out ignored, as the user is literally the one dictating them.

Users are fully transcendent existences, both "characters" and "storytellers" of reality, controlling it like an author controls a work of fiction, with the same absolute power and overwhelming authority.

Users can notably grant themselves any life they wish, change any aspect of it, or simply start whatever they desire. As long lives tend to grow more boring, they are likely to embrace the path of reincarnation, either within the same world, alternate worlds, or brand-new ones created for the occasion.''

Nope. The powers are given by the author so the plot changes but it really doesn't because if the author doesn't want something he wouldn't give him/her the power in the first place or he would just make an excuse to say he lost it or can't use it.

 

[iNotorious]

Nope. The powers are given by the author so the plot changes but it really doesn't because if the author doesn't want something he wouldn't give him/her the power in the first place or he would just make an excuse to say he lost it or can't use it.

You didn't understand what I said in my first post. In some fictions, they introduce themselves as characters and they give themselves powers so they can do whatever they want. The plot itself is really dangerous but it depends on the author. In shounens, yes the MC has to win no matter what. And you know why that happens? Because shounens are targeted to young people. So they want to give to those young people hope that the good always win no matter what.

As for the sake of my argument, plot itself is really weak and can be manipulated as I said.

 

[The Demon Hawk]

Have you guys not realised how this all works?

Plot.

All characters and powers are just tools l for the plot. It doesn't matter how many things you have. When Kishi wants something to happen, it will happen.

Do you remember when Obito used Kamui while Kakashi was in the dimension and he just punched him in the stomach? Kakashi could have stabbed him and it would have been over.


Do you remember how Madara was shown to be lazy?It was because he was too strong so Kishi had to restrict him.


There is a beginning and an end. No matter what powers anyone gets or what happens the character that has been planned to win from the start will win at the end.

No matter how much power Madara obtained he was going to lose in the end anyway. The show is called Naruto and most of us understand the story and how things work better but you have to realise most of Naruto fans around the world are 10-14 yo. The story is called Naruto and it's a shonen.

The MC will always win. The powers and the tools are there to give you an illusion that the MC is in trouble but in reality all the powers don't actually affect the outcome of the battle. The powers itself are not even consistent. Sometimes Naruto is fast enough where Kakashi can't even track him with a Sharingan and sometimes he is too slow to even blitz a guy that is 10 meters from him.

Sometimes Sasuke has powerful genjutsu and sometimed he doesn't. It's what the author wants so all the debates are meaningless.

Without restrictions when Madara was revived BM Naruto should have died many times when Madara and Obito teamed up.

You've spoken the absolute truth. Said it in the best way...

 

[Nagi]

One can look at naruto and call it PLOT big time. One can look at DBZ, yu yu hakusho, HXH, rurouni kenshin, Inuyasha, and NOT CALL IT PLOT! That's how bad it is for Naruto.

 

[Cfighter]

I've been saying this for years, yet no one seems to comprehend this. If this manga would have played out logically [I.E. without the plot hindering anything], things would have been completely different as far back as when Hidan and Kakuzu were introduced.

A good writer [not saying that Kishi is a bad writer, but all things considered is an inexperienced one] would have planned out every aspect of the story before ever beginning it. Planned out very sophisticatedly and methodically every power up, character motive, and character victory / defeats so that they all feel natural and not hindered by plot.

 

[LeSauce]

"MC will always win"

Well, Sasuke was never beat by him, sooo...

 

[Retsu]

"MC will always win"

Well, Sasuke was never beat by him, sooo...

Sasuke admitted defeat sooo...

 

[Blackzoro]

"MC will always win"

Well, Sasuke was never beat by him, sooo...

"I LOST " by uchiha sasuke hes not considered a villain at least by naruto or else he wouldve being history

 

[LeSauce]

Sasuke admitted defeat sooo...

"I LOST " by uchiha sasuke hes not considered a villain at least by naruto or else he wouldve being history

Did Naruto ever beat Sasuke in a fight? No. Even when he was the one Naruto had to save the world against.

The post is talking about power, or fighting, not ideals.

 

[Blackzoro]

Did Naruto ever beat Sasuke in a fight? No. Even when he was the one Naruto had to save the world against.

The post is talking about power, or fighting, not ideals.

Obviously both two times naruto and sasuke fought sasuke was always fighting with killing intent. Their last fight he failed to kill naruto or put him to sleep in fact he was knocked out woked up later. Yes the post is talking about power and fighting sasuke specifically said i lost idk if that ideal idea is to justify sasukes lost but he lost in both the fight and ideal you cant win one side of the match he lost the fight and idealistically. Lets be real here if it was a death battle between the two it would be like hashirama vs madara the whole idea was naruto to make peace with sasuke and change him just like it was stated before sasuke wouldnt have finally gave in or admitted he lost if naruto was not stronger. The strong does not follow or listen to the weak

 

[Retsu]

Did Naruto ever beat Sasuke in a fight? No. Even when he was the one Naruto had to save the world against.

The post is talking about power, or fighting, not ideals.

Keep telling yourself that point is sauce fought and failed and is now Naruto's tool.

 

[LeSauce]

Keep telling yourself that point is sauce fought and failed and is now Naruto's tool.

I could've sworn Sasuke was the one telling Naruto what to do in Gaiden. So much for the Hokage being in charge.

 

[Retsu]

I could've sworn Sasuke was the one telling Naruto what to do in Gaiden. So much for the Hokage being in charge.

Sasuke out his own mouth said he's doing what Naruto desires. in a dangerous situation the president takes orders from the secret service but guess who's in charge. I'll let you figure it out.

 

[SenseiSama]

I agree, EMS was supposed to give Sasuke his brother's spirit weapons but apparently they're too strong for Naruto to face

 

[LeSauce]

Sasuke out his own mouth said he's doing what Naruto desires. in a dangerous situation the president takes orders from the secret service but guess who's in charge. I'll let you figure it out.

The secret service doesn't go on their own mission whenever they please; the secret service reports to someone because they have to, not because it's a courtesy; the secret Service has rules that they must follow; the secret service gets paid for doing what they do. Sasuke is nothing like the secret service. He isn't bound to a village, he leaves as pleases. Him leaving for his own reasons proves that. Also, having a few similarities does not mean they're the same.

Do you honestly believe that Naruto holds any authority over Sasuke? Honestly. Can you really picture a scenario where Naruto would order Sasuke to do something and Sasuke would do it regardless of how he felt about it? No.

Sasuke isn't Gaara, nor Kakashi, and him doing his own thing is more than enough proof.

What the cooperation thing? Sasuke did not say that because it was what Naruto wanted, he used it as evidence to make Naruto stop complaining. It's just like me saying that I am going to go out, then someone tells me no, then I say "you wanted me to go outside more often, didn't you?". In that scenario I didn't choose to go out because they wanted me to go out more, but I used it to shut the other person up.

 

[Chaosmark101]

It's funny you say this OP. Madara had like the Biggest plot shield during the war. Smh

 

[Narutp1sasuke2 LetsGo]

Naruto is strong on his own and he crushes on plot/without plot

 

[Natsu Shazneel]

Plot? What language you speaking my boy?