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[Davy Jones]

I was talking about ninjutsu here. you're page is taijutsu.
Sasuke never copied the chidori. Why so?

how about you post you evidence of sharingan not being able to copy jutsu.

how about you post evidence of how he learned chidori in the first place.

how about you bring some proof to the table? because right now narutopedia, which you deemed not credible has more credibility than you since it tells you what page in the manga its information comes from. right now, its our manga scans versus you asking questions to avoid you accepting you are wrong and the sharingan can infact copy nin/tai/genjutsu

 

[Inferno792]

because of plot bro. the word "sharingan" literally means copy wheel eye. dude you need to go back and read you are wrong.

because of plot? Dude, if Sharingan can copy all jutsus, why didnt the others who came before were called the copy ninja?

 

[Davy Jones]

because of plot? Dude, if Sharingan can copy all jutsus, why didnt the others who came before were called the copy ninja?

because uchiha had there own moves. kakashi had to copy other peoples moves because the only jutsu he had was chidori......bro you need to read the manga

 

[Naruto X Hunter]

I was talking about ninjutsu here. you're page is taijutsu.
Sasuke never copied the chidori. Why so?

I already addressed how you were going to say,"that was Taijutsu not Ninjutsu". You're so predictable,i called this before you even thought of it.

As i said,Sasuke decided he wouldn't copy jutsu anymore.He would "Stay Original" as in master his own Techniques,and not copy.Think - understand the manga.

When he copied Lee's moves it had a negative impact on his body cause his body wasn't able to handle High Speed Taijutsu yet.So if that's the case with Lee's Taijutsu then how do you think Chidori would affect Sasuke's undeveloped body/chakra control?

If he could only do Chidori 2/3 times without passing out AFTER his one month training then don't you think it would pretty much kill him if he just copied it without training at all to learn how to use it?




Logic.

 

[Inferno792]

how about you post you evidence of sharingan not being able to copy jutsu.

how about you post evidence of how he learned chidori in the first place.

how about you bring some proof to the table? because right now narutopedia, which you deemed not credible has more credibility than you since it tells you what page in the manga its information comes from. right now, its our manga scans versus you asking questions to avoid you accepting you are wrong and the sharingan can infact copy nin/tai/genjutsu

Well so why didnt people copy nin/tai/gen jutsu?
I am saying that only Kakshi has been shown to copy ninjutsu and taijutsu. It's his specialty.

Sasuke could only copy taijutsu. He has learned the chidori and Kakshi mentioned it during Sasuke's fight with Gaara.

There has been no one who has copied a genjutsu.

You are saying that you have scans that prove that all sharingan can copy nin/tai/gen jutsu. Well, where are they.

As I said, only Kkashi has copied taijutsu and ninjutsu. Sasuke has only copied taijutsu. No one else has shown to copy any jutsu.

 

[V h o]

because of plot? Dude, if Sharingan can copy all jutsus, why didnt the others who came before were called the copy ninja?

To be honest, it is plot. For some ridiculous reason only Sasuke and mainly Kakashi have used this feature of copying jutsu. It's like Kishi ignored the endless possibilities of the skill or refused to tell why no one else has used it.

 

[Inferno792]

I already addressed how you were going to say,"that was Taijutsu not Ninjutsu". You're so predictable,i called this before you even thought of it.

I already mentioned in my first post that sharingan can copy taijtutsu so its not because you predicted it. Dont copy Sakura's line you copycat.

 

[V h o]

That's why. Unless we see it from other Sharingans, we cant say that all sharingan can copy ninjutsu or even taijutsu for that matter.

Well Sasuke has copied taijutsu. Although saying Itachi, Madara, Obito can copy x jutsu is sort of far fetched imo.

 

[Naruto X Hunter]

I already mentioned in my first post that sharingan can copy taijtutsu so its not because you predicted it. Dont copy Sakura's line you copycat.

I must of not have seen that.And why did you cut off part of my comment in the quote? Because it Solos your logic?

Well so why didnt people copy nin/tai/gen jutsu?
I am saying that only Kakshi has been shown to copy ninjutsu and taijutsu. It's his specialty.

Sasuke could only copy taijutsu. He has learned the chidori and Kakshi mentioned it during Sasuke's fight with Gaara.

There has been no one who has copied a genjutsu.

You are saying that you have scans that prove that all sharingan can copy nin/tai/gen jutsu. Well, where are they.

As I said, only Kkashi has copied taijutsu and ninjutsu. Sasuke has only copied taijutsu. No one else has shown to copy any jutsu.

Dude,i showed you the page of Sasuke saying he will be Original as in not copy techniques yet you still think he can't copy Ninjutsu because he hasn't.......

 

[Inferno792]

Well Sasuke has copied taijutsu. Although saying Itachi, Madara, Obito can copy x jutsu is sort of far fetched imo.

Thats what I am debating that not everyone can copy ninjutsu. Sasuke only copied taijutsu.

Kakashi copied ninjutsu and taijutsu and there was a reason why he was called the copy ninja and why other uchihas werent copy ninjas.

Unless someone (like SO6P or Madara) mentions that all Sharingan can copy ninjutsu, no one can prove that it can.

 

[Naruto X Hunter]

If Sasuke decided he wanted to stay original, then why the hell did he learn the chidori? Why didnt he invent his own jutsu?
Your logic is flawed.

He meant using the Sharingan to copy jutsu,and have we seen him use the Sharingan to copy anything since Lee? And didn't Sasuke invent Kirin?

Also do you know that the Sharingan means,"Mirror Wheel Eye"/"Copy Wheel Eye" yet you think only Kakashi can copy jutsu lol.

 

[Inferno792]

He meant using the Sharingan to copy jutsu,and have we seen him use the Sharingan to copy anything since Lee? And didn't Sasuke invent Kirin?

Also do you know that the Sharingan means,"Mirror Wheel Eye"/"Copy Wheel Eye" yet you think only Kakashi can copy jutsu lol.

Who told you that the Sharingan means Copy Wheel Eye? Your sources? Naruto wikia?

But that Sasuke not using the Sharingan doesnt do anything to prove that all Sharingan can copy ninjutsu.

 

[V h o]

Thats what I am debating that not everyone can copy ninjutsu. Sasuke only copied taijutsu.

Kakashi copied ninjutsu and taijutsu and there was a reason why he was called the copy ninja and why other uchihas werent copy ninjas.

Unless someone (like SO6P or Madara) mentions that all Sharingan can copy ninjutsu, no one can prove that it can.

That is a valid point, although Sasuke copying taijutsu alone already supports the notion of him copying. Him copying ninjutsu would be easily supported by that same logic there, ironically same can be said for all the uchiha since supposedly its a feature of the eye. Basically I'm saying it wouldn't be a surprise if it happened, despite scans not showing x uchiha copying ninjutsu. Although I'm not sure on the conditions of the copying, like strength/complexity of the jutsu.

 

[Inferno792]

That is a valid point, although Sasuke copying taijutsu alone already supports the notion of him copying. Him copying ninjutsu would be easily supported by that same logic there, ironically same can be said for all the uchiha since supposedly its a feature of the eye. Basically I'm saying it wouldn't be a surprise if it happened, despite scans not showing x uchiha copying ninjutsu. Although I'm not sure on the conditions of the copying, like strength/complexity of the jutsu.

Ubless Kishi shows us that all Sharingan can copy ninjutsu, my point still stays that all Uchihas cannot copy ninjutsu.

And anyways, even Kakshi admitted that he's not able to copy every jutsu. he can only copy the ones which are compatible with him.

 

[Gagster]

Neither the Sharingan or Rinnegan let's anyone instantly learn master a nature, or technique. The sharingan does make it easier to mimic almost any seen technique though.

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The sharingans enhanced perception allows a user to copy a jutsu much more easily, and replicate it's effect. Not all jutsu's can be copied. And copying a jutsu with a specific nature doesn't allow you to use that nature freely.

Simply copying a jutsu doesn't even require the sharingan.

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So no, Sasuke just seeing people use various elements with his sharingan doesn't give him mastery over them.

 

[Naruto X Hunter]

Neither the Sharingan or Rinnegan let's anyone instantly learn master a nature, or technique. The sharingan does make it easier to mimic almost any seen technique though.

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The sharingans enhanced perception allows a user to copy a jutsu much more easily, and replicate it's effect. Not all jutsu's can be copied. And copying a jutsu with a specific nature doesn't allow you to use that nature freely.

Simply copying a jutsu doesn't even require the sharingan.

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So no, Sasuke just seeing people use various elements with his sharingan doesn't give him mastery over them.

I don't think anyone said instant mastery.Instead i said the Rinnegan allows the user to be able to use/learn how to use the basic nature elements while the Sharingan can COPY all jutsu except KKG.Not MASTER.

Sasuke could instantly copy Lee's Taijutsu because he saw it with the Sharingan,even days later from simply recalling it he was able to copy it exactly.

So if he can do that with Taijutsu then surely he can do that with Ninjutsu aswell.And he can LEARN how to USE (not just copy) all the basic elements due to the Rinnegan.

Also Naruto didn't copy the exact movements of Lee's Taijutsu like Sasuke and ofcourse he can learn how to use the Rasenshuriken - but a Sharingan user can copy Jutsu (not KKG') exactly from seeing it once.

Who told you that the Sharingan means Copy Wheel Eye? Your sources? Naruto wikia?

But that Sasuke not using the Sharingan doesnt do anything to prove that all Sharingan can copy ninjutsu.

Dude,Sharingan is a Japanese word - that Japanese word translated means,"Mirror Wheel Eye"/"Copy Wheel Eye", its also said that in Viz's Official Naruto manga volumes.

And all Sharingan can copy jutsu.Sasuke decided to not copy techniques anymore during the prelims.

Ubless Kishi shows us that all Sharingan can copy ninjutsu, my point still stays that all Uchihas cannot copy ninjutsu.

And anyways, even Kakshi admitted that he's not able to copy every jutsu. he can only copy the ones which are compatible with him.

Stop misinterpreting the manga.When people speak of the Sharingan they mean all Sharingan - not just one persons Sharingan.All Sharingan are the same.It changes once the user gets the MS.But all tomoe Sharingan are the same each tomoe stage unlocks another ability to the Sharingan.

I know 3 allows the user to be able to predict movements as Sasuke noted when he fought Naruto in the Final Valley,and i think 2 tomoes allows copying.

And what Kakashi meant was that he (Sharingan in general) cannot copy KKG's which everyone knows the Sharingan can't copy.

 

[Gagster]

I don't think anyone said instant mastery.Instead i said the Rinnegan allows the user to be able to use/learn how to use the basic nature elements while the Sharingan can COPY all jutsu except KKG.Not MASTER.

Sasuke could instantly copy Lee's Taijutsu because he saw it with the Sharingan,even days later from simply recalling it he was able to copy it exactly.

So if he can do that with Taijutsu then surely he can do that with Ninjutsu aswell.And he can LEARN how to USE (not just copy) all the basic elements due to the Rinnegan.

no. you forget all the enemies sasuke has faced when he had a sharingan. now all the elements he has seen with his sharingan active allows him to see and learn the technique even though he was not able to use said element. now that he is able to use any element through the rinnegan, its plausible, but not likely to happen, that he can use any element without training.

lmao one im not a sasuke fan. and two. being able to use the 5 elements is a rinnegan ability. and you dont know what you are talking about. all sharingans can copy ninjutsu. what manga are you reading lmao you are completely wrong in everything you said

Sharingan, let's you copy a technique when you see one, but then again, you might not be able to copy the technique. Rinnengan just gives you all the elements and jutsu's. Dat Rinnengan, dat Nagato

Sasuke recalled Lee's movements when he fought that guy in the prelims,and he used the exact same Taijutsu kick Lee used against him,and during Sasike vs Gaara, Kakashi said he had Sasuke recall Lee's Taijutsu which he remember from their battle.That's part of how Sasuke was able to attain Lee's High Speed Taijutsu.Lee was surprised that from only that much experience Sasuke had against seeing his movements that he was able to replicate it so well.


Are you seroius? Rinnegan allows the user to be able to learn/use all basic elements.Everyone knows that,and the Sharingan can copy any jutsu except KKG,again,everyone knows that.

Why would Kakashi's Sharingan be the only one that can do that? Because he's the only one who copies Jutsu? He was the only well known Sharingan user out of the few we know that decided to do so.Sasuke has even said that he would stick to his own techniques and not copy.

It's a choice whether a Sharingan user wants to copy jutsu or not.Every user has the ability to.Don't name call just cause someone likes a character that you for some reason don't like.

He was stating facts - Rinnegan users can use the basic elements and Sharingan users can copy jutsu.It was never stated that only Kakashi could.

You say he's using "Fap Logic" when you are clearly using "Blind hater Logic"

Sasuke has probably copied all elements by now, and now he has the ability to use all them.

@Inferno

Since you clearly don't have good reading comprehension,i will break it down to you.

Sasuke had his Sharingan activated when he fought Lee.Days later he was able to instantly use the same move he saw Lee use on him.Then,once he used it on that guy in the prelims he said that he will be original, as in he won't be copying techniques anymore.

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The Sharingan can copy any just except KKG just from seeing it once,and the Rinnegan allows the user to use/learn how to use all the basic elements - so Sasuke can use/learn the all the basic Nature elements,and since he's seen all of them with his Sharingan activated he can use them now aswell.

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Rinnegan isn't required to learn all elements. Nor does it automatically grant them any elements.

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[Inferno792]

I don't think anyone said instant mastery.Instead i said the Rinnegan allows the user to be able to use/learn how to use the basic nature elements while the Sharingan can COPY all jutsu except KKG.Not MASTER.

Sasuke could instantly copy Lee's Taijutsu because he saw it with the Sharingan,even days later from simply recalling it he was able to copy it exactly.

So if he can do that with Taijutsu then surely he can do that with Ninjutsu aswell.And he can LEARN how to USE (not just copy) all the basic elements due to the Rinnegan.

Also Naruto didn't copy the exact movements of Lee's Taijutsu like Sasuke and ofcourse he can learn how to use the Rasenshuriken - but a Sharingan user can copy Jutsu (not KKG') exactly from seeing it once.


Dude,Sharingan is a Japanese word - that Japanese word translated means,"Mirror Wheel Eye"/"Copy Wheel Eye", its also said that in Viz's Official Naruto manga volumes.

And all Sharingan can copy jutsu.Sasuke decided to not copy techniques anymore during the prelims.


Stop misinterpreting the manga.When people speak of the Sharingan they mean all Sharingan - not just one persons Sharingan.All Sharingan are the same.It changes once the user gets the MS.But all tomoe Sharingan are the same each tomoe stage unlocks another ability to the Sharingan.

I know 3 allows the user to be able to predict movements as Sasuke noted when he fought Naruto in the Final Valley,and i think 2 tomoes allows copying.

And what Kakashi meant was that he (Sharingan in general) cannot copy KKG's which everyone knows the Sharingan can't copy.

If all Sharingan can copy ninjutsu , why didnt other Uchihas use it to copy jutsus? Why are you bringing Sasuke's case here?

Why didnt other Uchihas such as Madara copy Hashirama's jutsus when he was alive. Why was he only able to use Hashi's jutsu after he implanted his dna?


No one has mentioned that the Rinnegan gives its users access to all natures. The Sage's Senjutsu gives access to all natures since it uses TSB.

 

[Naruto X Hunter]

Rinnegan isn't required to learn all elements. Nor does it automatically grant them any elements.

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You bolded the "instant mastery " part and when i went through the comments you posted no one said said instant mastery...

I saw "Copy" "Copy" "Copy".and as i've been saying,it allows the users to be able to learn/use all elements - that is they can learn elements that before they couldn't,like Sasuke's a natural Fire,and Lightining user - with the Sharingan he can only copy water style,earth,and wind jutsu.But with the Rinnegan,he can be able to learn how to use all the basic nature elements which Kid Nagato did.

The only people who use more than 2 elements are elemental KKG users like Haku who combined two elements to make a 3rd.Water + Wind = Ice,and Hiruzen was said to be the only person to use all the basic nature elements - we all know Prime Hiruzen is awesome.

If all Sharingan can copy ninjutsu , why didnt other Uchihas use it to copy jutsus? Why are you bringing Sasuke's case here?

Why didnt other Uchihas such as Madara copy Hashirama's jutsus when he was alive. Why was he only able to use Hashi's jutsu after he implanted his dna?


No one has mentioned that the Rinnegan gives its users access to all natures. The Sage's Senjutsu gives access to all natures since it uses TSB.

Wood Style is KKG,thats why he didn't copy,nor could use until he got Hashiramas DNA,and the pages were already posted of Jiraiya and Ibiki saying a Rinnegan user can use all the basic elements.

 

[yondaime4]

Sasuke Is probably the best in naruto at innovating jutsu.

Some learn from others and some create their own but sasuke does both and learns others jutsu and makes them his own with some sort of variation.

My point is that sauce is the master of all jutsu now that hes got rinnegan dont hate jus watch and learn.