The One Who Knows Everything Elimination Thread

[rollin]

I think he's going to read the tablet still and find out info from the people he wants to meet
Considering oro said lets go somewhere you know quite well

 

[blazekev90]

What Suigetsu exactly said was: "With That, We Hawks Can Rule The Shinobi Worl-..." Suigetsu of course is not the smartest chip in the block, if the Scroll had such tremendous power then why didn't Oro and esp. Kabuto used it before? why keep it stashed in Oro's basement and not use its' power? knowing how power hungry both Oro and Kabuto are, it's out of character for them not to act upon the scroll's power immediately when they can. Suigetsu saw the Edo Tensei army and how powerful they were, in his childish mind he must've thought that with Taka's skills and the power of an edo army they can rule over the world aka it was merely his banal fantasies. And whatever the true nature of the scroll has, one thing is clear: the scroll has the power to facilitate to meet someone, so it's most probably Edo Tensei.

1) Orochimaru hasn't been able to use any ninjutsu since his encounter with the 3rd Hokage. The scroll could have been saved for other reasons
2) it was in a hidden room, in a hideout. This very well could have been hidden from Kabuto himself.
3) After reading the scroll, Sasuke himself stated how this was something only Orochimaru can do. Knowing Others have performed Edo already
4)Suigetsu was surprised that Orochimaru would even consider such a task. This man knows Orochimaru very well, hence advised Sasuke not to revive Orochimaru feeling as Sasuke me be underestimating HIM. Edo wouldn't receive such a reaction from Suigetsu

 

[Rchan81]

I think the chakra they sensed wasn't from this person they are seeking but from Naruto's, you can see Oro was quite amused that it bothered/annoyed Sasuke and I doubt Sasuke would be annoyed in sensing the chakra of the very person he is seeking.

Yea.. I read it both ways, but I'm leaning towards the chakra being related to where they are/going as opposed to Naruto. I say this because that flows better with the scenes. Of course, like I mentioned it could be Naruto's chakra they are reacting too also.

 

[Skriff]

who ever it is they need orochimaru to guide them there so that being said, it's a hidden place within Konoha that no one knows about except that person and orochimaru

 

[SIR HERDERP PRESIDERP SDO]

1) Orochimaru hasn't been able to use any ninjutsu since his encounter with the 3rd Hokage. The scroll could have been saved for other reasons
2) it was in a hidden room, in a hideout. This very well could have been hidden from Kabuto himself.
3) After reading the scroll, Sasuke himself stated how this was something only Orochimaru can do. Knowing Others have performed Edo already
4)Suigetsu was surprised that Orochimaru would even consider such a task. This man knows Orochimaru very well, hence advised Sasuke not to revive Orochimaru feeling as Sasuke me be underestimating HIM. Edo wouldn't receive such a reaction from Suigetsu

1. Suigetsu already pointed out Oro's arms were sealed, but Sasuke insisted in reviving Oro, possibly to teach him how to do the prepatations and hand signs needed to perform Edo Tensei himself.

2. And yet Suigetsu was able to find it whereas Kabuto couldn't, that's implausible

3. Naturally it was Oro who is the only one capable of using/knowing anything about the scroll since only he and Kabuto can perform Edo Tensei and the latter is currently incapacitated.

4. Suigetsu was merely expressing his reservations in the revival of Oro, knowing Orochimaru's duplicitous and insidious personality that he might try to take power again, and if you remember when Suigetsu said that he said afterwards that "if you just take time you can learn to use it all by yourself" meaning that the scroll has a power that can be learned in due time but Sasuke wanted answers immediately, hence the need to facilitate Oro's revival as an instructor of performing Edo Tensei.

 

[Imm0rtal bAstard]

They might be going to the place where the other stone tablet is. Tobi talked about it in episode 205 where he's read all of Rikudo's secrets and its location lies somewhere beneath Konoha. Sasuke's only read the one in Nakano shrine where the secrets of the mangekyou are described.

 

[SIR HERDERP PRESIDERP SDO]

They might be going to the place where the other stone tablet is. Tobi talked about it in episode 205 where he's read all of Rikudo's secrets and its location lies somewhere beneath Konoha. Sasuke's only read the one in Nakano shrine where the secrets of the mangekyou are described.

It's possible but what would that entail? the tablets were written prior to the Uchiha Massacre and probably older than Madara himself, why would the stone contain info. on the location of someone somewhere?

 

[Misana]

Since I was correct that they were going to Konoha, I think it's safe to say that we can eliminate these characters as the one who knows everything:

1 Konoha Elders: Sasuke and co. did not enter Konoha itself but rather its surrounding vicinity, but the two elders are always inside buildings or the Hokage quarters, and there would be no need to revive Oro if Sasuke just wanted to meet those two.

3 Sasuke's parents/ Uchiha clan : I doubt their burial place was kept secret, since in the eyes of the villagers they weren't traitors for no one knew that they were planning a coup except for the third hokage, danzo and the two elders so they were most probably buried in the cemetery where all Konoha shinobi are interred like Asuma.

I have always screamed out that them would mean Sasuke's parents. But this... :shrug:
Its a very logic build-up. The way you ruled out Sasuke's parents is great. Pure logic, I cant rationally counter that.U_U

Still, Orochimaru was dead for quite some time. So maybe his legs are a bit sore and he wants to strech them out a bit. So he just takes Sasuke for a little walk. Imagine Oro trolling Sasuke like that xd
So in the end, after a nice walk trough the lovely nature, they'll arrive at the graveyard to revive his parents. wease:

 

[blazekev90]

1. Suigetsu already pointed out Oro's arms were sealed, but Sasuke insisted in reviving Oro, possibly to teach him how to do the prepatations and hand signs needed to perform Edo Tensei himself.

2. And yet Suigetsu was able to find it whereas Kabuto couldn't, that's implausible

3. Naturally it was Oro who is the only one capable of using/knowing anything about the scroll since only he and Kabuto can perform Edo Tensei and the latter is currently incapacitated.

4. Suigetsu was merely expressing his reservations in the revival of Oro, knowing Orochimaru's duplicitous and insidious personality that he might try to take power again, and if you remember when Suigetsu said that he said afterwards that "if you just take time you can learn to use it all by yourself" meaning that the scroll has a power that can be learned in due time but Sasuke wanted answers immediately, hence the need to facilitate Oro's revival as an instructor of performing Edo Tensei.

1) Sasuke already watched Kabuto release Edo, also Itachi already briefly discussed the basis of Edo infront of Sasuke. At this point, needing Orochimaru other than the whereabouts of someone would only make sense.
2) They didnt mean to find the room, and I think it was Juugo who really found it.
3) Regardless, Sasuke wouldn't have said, there are certain things ONLY Orochimaru can perform. Edo can be performed by anyone given the right prep and knowldge.
4) So the scroll gave Sasuke the idea to revive Orochimaru and the use of Edo, regardless of previously knowing this already?!

 

[KiraGirl K]

I don't comprehend how the Konoha Elders and the Sage Sons are eliminated from the suspects' list with the reason that the one who knows everything must be at Konoha. :shrug:
I see no connection between those two things.

 

[captainEO]

I think it's certainly Shisui, but also his parents and likely more of the clan too.

Oro uses "them" here as in plural, plus "capable of changing mother and father...the Uchiha clan"

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That hints to his parents. Naruto had a reunion with his. Sasuke only ever had a proper send-off with Itachi not his parents. And his dad was the head

And the translators (***********) used "them" twice so it can't be a mistake.

It seems that this thirst for knowing centers squarely on the coup d'état, nothing more.

There are other hints I saw...

 

[Imm0rtal bAstard]

It's possible but what would that entail? the tablets were written prior to the Uchiha Massacre and probably older than Madara himself, why would the stone contain info. on the location of someone somewhere?

Well, first of all the tablet can be read only by an Uchiha with mangekyou (perhaps a reason why the scroll was hid by Oro and never used). I don't think the tablet needs to contain any info of someone's location. What is Sasuke's aim right now? Fight Naruto, destroy Konoha, complete his vengance. To acomplish that he'd need more power. The rinnegan. I believe the scroll contained info on the rinnegan, reason why Suigetsu was so shocked, correctly guessed that it'd be sth of Sasuke's interest (since he's the only one who can awaken it) and later told Sasuke that it'd take time but he'll be able to learn it eventually. However, Sasuke is hasty. To acquire rinnegan he must get Senju DNA and it'd take time to find and learn medical ninjutsu to do so. That's why Sasuke revived Orohimaru, replying "there are things only Orochimaru could do". He needs him to give him the Senju DNA! In addition the "one who knows all" could be Uchiha's ancestors who have written the tablet and Sasuke simply wants to read their will and/or speak to them through Oro.

You say that the one who knows all could be Shisui, right? I personally like tha idea but the problem is that Kabuto said he didn't have the location of Shisui's body. True, Sasuke maybe knows where his body lies through Itachi's memories now but then why does he want Orochimaru, who doesn't know, to lead the way? Hmm... And even if it was Shisui where would the story lead to then?

Another possibility I have in mind is that Oro is taking Sasuke to his lab near Konoha, believed to have been destroyed before Orochimaru left the village and maybe has someone's body, for example Fugaku's, Izuna's or Mito's, must be someone of use to the young Uchiha, that could tell him something important, which would power him up and help him take a difficult decision, someone who could tell a good tale so that we know more of the past and the story can progress.

 

[SIR HERDERP PRESIDERP SDO]

1) Sasuke already watched Kabuto release Edo, also Itachi already briefly discussed the basis of Edo infront of Sasuke. At this point, needing Orochimaru other than the whereabouts of someone would only make sense.
2) They didnt mean to find the room, and I think it was Juugo who really found it.
3) Regardless, Sasuke wouldn't have said, there are certain things ONLY Orochimaru can perform. Edo can be performed by anyone given the right prep and knowldge.
4) So the scroll gave Sasuke the idea to revive Orochimaru and the use of Edo, regardless of previously knowing this already?!

1. Releasing an Edo and Summoning them are completely different, naturally Sasuke doesn't want to "unsummon" anyone but wants to summon someone in order to speak to. Also, If the scroll contains the location of someone, then why did Suigetsu asks "who is this one who knows everything person?" after Sasuke looked at the scroll and said he'll meet this certain person, and Suigetsu said further afterwards that in time Sasuke could learn how to use the power of the scroll, if you take the contextual meaning of that, it means prior to that statement Suigetsu already surmised that Sasuke needed Orochimaru's expertise on how to use that scroll, given that Oro's hands are sealed, his knowledge of the preparations and proper usage of Edo Tensei would greatly expediate Sasuke's learning time on how to use it himself.

2. So Oro would just let something so powerful lay somewhere in his hideout for any subordinate of his to pick it up if they were given the freedom to do so? I highly doubt that. Kabuto already knows how to use Edo Tensei, so the scroll wasn't that valuable to him having full knowledge of its' contents so it's safe to assume he just let it rest in Oro's stock room.

3. Sasuke said that, and yet Suigetsu countered that by stating that if Sasuke took time to study it he can learn to use the power of the scroll himself, therefore the power of the scroll is not limited to Orochimaru only, by taking time anyone can learn it, and Sasuke doesn't have much time, nor was he known as a very patient guy, he wants answers and he wants them quickly. Also like I stated in my original post, Orochimaru could know specifically where Shisui's body is hidden or kept guarded by the Foundation, hence, Sasuke needs Oro also to pinpoint the exact location of where Shisui's corpse is hidden/interred.

4. Like I said, Sasuke had no initial intentions to seek this "The One Who Knows Everything" only after Itachi gave him his memories did he suddenly have the resolve to talk to this person, you can see by Sasuke's reaction from reading the scroll that its' powers facilitates a meeting/encounter with the person he was just thinking about. Sasuke didn't order Suigetsu or Jugo to retrieve it they found it themselves, and as luck would have it, the scroll has the power to give Sasuke the opportunity to meet this someone to finally put his lingering questions to rest.

 

[luffichinaru]

who knows..only the producer does

 

[SIR HERDERP PRESIDERP SDO]

Well, first of all the tablet can be read only by an Uchiha with mangekyou (perhaps a reason why the scroll was hid by Oro and never used). I don't think the tablet needs to contain any info of someone's location. What is Sasuke's aim right now? Fight Naruto, destroy Konoha, complete his vengance. To acomplish that he'd need more power. The rinnegan. I believe the scroll contained info on the rinnegan, reason why Suigetsu was so shocked, correctly guessed that it'd be sth of Sasuke's interest (since he's the only one who can awaken it) and later told Sasuke that it'd take time but he'll be able to learn it eventually. However, Sasuke is hasty. To acquire rinnegan he must get Senju DNA and it'd take time to find and learn medical ninjutsu to do so. That's why Sasuke revived Orohimaru, replying "there are things only Orochimaru could do". He needs him to give him the Senju DNA! In addition the "one who knows all" could be Uchiha's ancestors who have written the tablet and Sasuke simply wants to read their will and/or speak to them through Oro. like the Rinnegan,etc.

You say that the one who knows all could be Shisui, right? I personally like tha idea but the problem is that Kabuto said he didn't have the location of Shisui's body. True, Sasuke maybe knows where his body lies through Itachi's memories now but then why does he want Orochimaru, who doesn't know, to lead the way? Hmm... And even if it was Shisui where would the story lead to then?

Another possibility I have in mind is that Oro is taking Sasuke to his lab near Konoha, believed to have been destroyed before Orochimaru left the village and maybe has someone's body, for example Fugaku's, Izuna's or Mito's, must be someone of use to the young Uchiha, that could tell him something important, which would power him up and help him take a difficult decision, someone who could tell a good tale so that we know more of the past and the story can progress.

Like I have stated in my original post, Orochimaru's revival is necessary for expediating the learning process of Edo Tensei, it is true that Sasuke, through Itachi's memories, acquired knowledge as to the reason why Shisui's body mysteriously disappeared. But I don't believe Itachi had intimate knowledge of its' exact whereabouts whereas Orochimaru has because he was conspiring with Danzo during that time. And I don't think Sasuke is seeking a "powerup" of any sort, seeing that from his resolve he only wants answers, and Oro noted this "change" in him, it is clarity in his resolve that Sasuke wants, not further means to acquire greater power.

 

[Aze]

OFC it makes sense now.


If Oro Summons Sasukes Mother and Father then Sasuke can ask questions about Village.

Sasukes Father was the Leader of Uchiha clan and the Leader of Konohas police force.

It would be Logical to assume , that Sasukes Father was the last person living knowing all of the clans secrets and its dark hidden past.

The Revealing elements will be shocking.


Also I have a strange feeling , that Sasuke Itachi Madara Izuna might be related in a strange way.


Well All Four of them possesed/posess the Susanoo.




Oro Hinted - That Sasuke does not need to know these answers since he is still just a child.


I think wat Sasuke will hear will piss him off.


But Sasuke also needs to speak to Uchiha Shisui.

 

[Sarahmint]

You forgot to mention The Feudal Lords.

Someone may have entrusted Itachi with the Totsuka Sword. You KNOW it is a Chekov's Gun (will be used in the future)

 

[kibaclaw]

So how would shisui know everything?

 

[KillerbYo]

"What would you want with "them". Meaning not one guy. So not Shisui. Also the person is supposed to answer Sasukes questions of what a clan and a village is. The village system didnt exist until Madara and Hashirama. Oros powers were sealed away using the death seal. So my best guess so far is that Orochimaru managed to figure out how to summon people from the death seal. If they could summon Hashirama and the other Hokages back under their control that could affect the war, and they could answer questions and they are likely buried in Konohagakure.

 

[KillerbYo]

Or his parents that also makes sense. Or maybe that was a red herring. But it would make sense. Only things is im not sure they could change the war unless its more Uchihas. And why would they be mentioned in a scroll anyway? Unless it was about summoningg the enitre clan.