the one thing all manga have in common

[rezaamani]

a Universal Spirit Bomb isn't a cheap shot doe

You're right. Kowbau, anyways All mangas are there to train people in how to having a strong willpower, you cAn see all the main charactors failing And trying over and over again , butfinally because of their will power the succeed, unwavering faith , etc,

 

[Shandar]

I think you were right about One Piece begin that way. True...Luffy isn't up to the strongest characters yet, but in two short years(most of which were honing his skills) he mastered Haki which takes others decades of hard training. He faught CP9 once and developed his second gear. He is still a rookie and still took down a pastifista(sp?) with one hit. Luffy is still a teenager yet his fighting level is still up there...same with Zoro...but hey, at least it took them 2 years vs. Bleach's 3 months. I thought that was how all anime/manga were suppose to be.

 

[Totsuka No Tsurugi]

I think you were right about One Piece begin that way. True...Luffy isn't up to the strongest characters yet, but in two short years(most of which were honing his skills) he mastered Haki which takes others decades of hard training. He faught CP9 once and developed his second gear. He is still a rookie and still took down a pastifista(sp?) with one hit. Luffy is still a teenager yet his fighting level is still up there...same with Zoro...but hey, at least it took them 2 years vs. Bleach's 3 months. I thought that was how all anime/manga were suppose to be.

nah luffy not yet mastered haki, he only manage to learn the basic since he was tutored by one of the greatest haki user while most of haki user train by them self,

remember that the 1st time luffy encountered pacifista it took 9 none of them to take down 1 pacifista, and then 2 years later he manage to one shot pacifista, thanks to his haki and his experience fighting them in the past,

luffy fighting level is mid tier compared to the Overpowered ranks, such as yonkou,the 3 admirals and the remaining shicibuckai(maybe he's on law level)

and by the way zoro has been training since he was a kid just like luffy and before the timeskip he had the best swordsman as his tutor so yeah he's strong but he's nowhere near mihawk level.

 

[Shandar]

Totsuka No Tsurugi: I wasn't saying that Luffy or Zorro were anywhere near Mihawk and the others...but even if they started training as a baby they are both further along than what they should be, which is why everyone is suprised with Luffy...his potential to be the best. At least they didn't shoot him to the top ranks like Itchigo in Bleach(was lietent level within episodes) who entered the soul society and within a day's time period started beating up the Captains(11th and 6th(with hollow's help/intervention)). One Piece is at present my favorite anime so I am not trying to put it down or anything, but realisticly...come on. Major character's learn too quickly...and we love them for it. At least they got their power on there own and not borrowed it from anyone else...not a DBZ fan...sorry, my opinion.

 

[Kratos of cruxis]

from the one you listed only one piece isn´t that way it already has 500+ episodes and luffy is not even among the 30 strongest characters but i agree with the rest FGT from ichigo was just way to op and stupid and the other are op too but not as much as bleach

I wouldnt say luffy isnt in the top 30 I say he's in 15th or higher