[Discussion] The most underrated character?

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Lol Enel beating an Admiral...Enel would lose simply due to the fact Aokiji can use Haki, Enel's fighting abilities were at best sub-par however what made him dangerous was his DF without it he's nothing. Luffy's fighting abilities back then were no where near that of an admiral.

Also Akainu's claim to fame in not merely punching Ace at all. Akainu defeated Iva, Aokiji and battled the entire whitebeard pirates by himself at one point but not to mention he blew off half of WB's face punched a hole in his stomach and pretty much made WB's death a certain also we know for certainty Akainu could have defeated Ace since they did clash and Ace was simply no match hence the reason he was sent flying back from their scuffle. Akainu would have murdered Ace in a 1 on 1 fight.

The difference between Enel and Kizaru is the fact one has way better control over his DF and better Haki.



Why are you bringing Naruto into this really? Also Zabuza could never defeat the likes of Kakuzu, Konan, Sasori or Deidara not to mention he would get murdered by Kisame. Anyway Enel can't compete in the new world (until we see how stronger he's got) due to the fact the big time pirates in the new world all use Haki meaning they can damage him.

I brought up Zabuza to prove that time skip scaling is incomparable. Zabuza would easily beat Kakuzu, he would use silent killing on him before he could ever activate his iron skin. Konan only gets rep because she was with Nagato and was the first to hurt Tobi(despite knowing everything about him and having days of prep which she wouldn't against any other enemies)
 

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You can disagree if you want but I think Enel could beat Aokiji,
Without Haki , Enel can't even lift a candle to an Admiral. His Mantra is pretty much Admiral tier. But an Admirals Busoshoku Haki would one shot Enel if a strike fully connects. Hie Hie no Mi is also on the same level as the Goro Goro no Mi. Out of all the pre TS Admirals Kuzan is the worst match as Lightning only enhances Ice due to the electrical current being poorly insulated and conducted.

tie with Kizaru and maybe lose to Akainu.
Without Haki , Enel can't even lift a candle to an Admiral. His Mantra is pretty much Admiral tier. But an Admirals Busoshoku Haki would one shot Enel if a strike fully connects. Kizaru is also (like Kuzan) in posession of a DF of equal caliber to the Goro Goro no mi. Lightning is basically slowed down,super heated light. Basically it's a downgrade.

Akainu's biggest claim to fame is punching Ace who was sacrificing himself for Luffy, we'll never really know if Akainu could have even beat Ace if Ace wasn't blocking that punch for Luffy. Had Enel been introduced later his power would have been greater but his DF ability still is extremely effective in combat, more so than croc's or Ace's or Aokiji and Akainu for that matter, it's basically the same principle as Kizaru, you could even picture Kizaru to be what Enel would have been had he been intro'd at MF.
Since Sakazuki sent Ace flying with one punch. Sakazuki clearly stomps Ace. Ace is comparable to Enel in strength, as Enel has the greater fruit but the far weaker fighting skill. All logias are effective in combat in their own right. So your statement about that is irrelevant.

Saying he couldn't compete with the new world is like saying Zabuza can't compete with Shippuden even though he could beat 1/4 of the Akatsuki(Kakuzu,Hidan,Konan,Sasori,Zetsu and Deidara. Plus he could go toe-to-toe with Kisame possibly even defeating him.) Enel could have beat Kuma, Hody, Monet etc. You're trying to compare two different time frames where power scaling is vastly different.
Hang on.... Zabuza couldn't beat anyone in the Akatsuki. If he's lucky he could beat Zetsu, Black Zetsu is of similar strength and if both Black and White halves are together ; Zetsu is probably equal to Kakashi. Zetsu is one of the most underrated characters in Naruto. He can copy Zabuzas powers and then add his own Mokuton techniques to boot. Kakuzu,Hidan,Deidara and Sasori would stomp Zabuza. So yes your comparison is kind of correct in a sense that Big Shot NW characters would stomp Enel. Kisame was stated to be the strongest member of the 7 swordsmen. The fact you contradict the Naruto manga made you lose all plausibility. Enel could beat Monet and Hody , but Kuma would most certainly beat the living sh*t out of Enel.
 

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I brought up Zabuza to prove that time skip scaling is incomparable. Zabuza would easily beat Kakuzu, he would use silent killing on him before he could ever activate his iron skin. Konan only gets rep because she was with Nagato and was the first to hurt Tobi(despite knowing everything about him and having days of prep which she wouldn't against any other enemies)

Well despite the fact I have no care for Naruto in this topic the thing is Zabuza struggled against Kakashi who with combined efforts of both Ino and Chouji he could not defeat Kakuzu. Regarding Konan hurting Obito at that time was a large feat since no one truly understood his powers and again with the combined efforts of the rookie 11 Kakashi could not even touch Obito.

But anyway forgetting Naruto, I noticed you had nothing to post back regarding the One Piece discussion.
 

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Well despite the fact I have no care for Naruto in this topic the thing is Zabuza struggled against Kakashi who with combined efforts of both Ino and Chouji he could not defeat Kakuzu. Regarding Konan hurting Obito at that time was a large feat since no one truly understood his powers and again with the combined efforts of the rookie 11 Kakashi could not even touch Obito.

But anyway forgetting Naruto, I noticed you had nothing to post back regarding the One Piece discussion.

That's because it's pointless to try to change someone's opinion. enel has just as good of control over his DF as Kizaru and you have no proof that says otherwise. Ace was weakened from being held in sea stone prism cuffs for days, when they show(which they won't) a fully charged Ace confront Akainu and lose you'll have a case until then it's sim,ply hype based opinion.
 

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That's because it's pointless to try to change someone's opinion. enel has just as good of control over his DF as Kizaru and you have no proof that says otherwise. Ace was weakened from being held in sea stone prism cuffs for days, when they show(which they won't) a fully charged Ace confront Akainu and lose you'll have a case until then it's sim,ply hype based opinion.

It's not pointless when someones opinion is certainly incorrect. You do realize that DF's aren't that important when we use Top Tiers? Because Top Tier fighters can pretty much overcome 99% of DF attacks with just their Haki. Enel is nowhere near top tier. As soon as you stop touching Kairouseki your strength is fully restored.

I love you completely ignored my post.
 

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That's because it's pointless to try to change someone's opinion. enel has just as good of control over his DF as Kizaru and you have no proof that says otherwise. Ace was weakened from being held in sea stone prism cuffs for days, when they show(which they won't) a fully charged Ace confront Akainu and lose you'll have a case until then it's sim,ply hype based opinion.

Well considering Kizaru is an admiral who could spar one on one with Rayleigh who was using Haki while using his DF powers I can say Kizaru has better control and you have no proof to prove Enel's control with his DF was as good as Kizaru either.

No your in delusion if you think Ace could beat Akainu it was a simple fact that not only does Akainu's DF trump Ace's Akainu's Haki and overall fighting abilities were better also it's not based on my opinion at all Teach who defeated a fully charged Ace ran away in fear with his crew (Who were all notorious criminals) from Akainu.

Akainu > Ace it's not a debate or an opinion it's fact since Ace was defeated by Akainu.
 

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-Crocodile

-BB

-Enel

-Ace

-Magellan

-Other supernova



Ultra OVERrated:

-Mihawk
 

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Agree

Disagree

He's more overrated than underrated

Never seen him underrated. The only people who think this overrate him.

-Magellan
DEFINITE AGREEMENT!

-Other supernova
How are Kidd,Killer,Apoo,Hawkins.Drake and Law underrated? I can understand when you talk about Urouge,Bege and Bonney...

Ultra OVERrated:

-Mihawk
That's simply you being a hater.
 

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Jinbei and Marco.
Both are Admiral level imo.

Marco is almost at Admiral level, he is at the level of Doflamingo more or less.

Jinbe no way he is at Admiral level, not even lower top tier, upper high tier is the level for him.
 

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Marco is almost at Admiral level, he is at the level of Doflamingo more or less.

Jinbe no way he is at Admiral level, not even lower top tier, upper high tier is the level for him.

Imo both are at the bottom of the Admiral tier.
 

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Fujitora (No one on this site believes he is equal to the pre-skip admirals)
Jinbei (People actually believe he got his ass kicked by Mihawk, when in reality, it never happened in the actual manga; only in the anime)
Shiryu (People don't believe he will eventually defeat Mihawk (lol))
Burgess (People underestimate him because of his "dumb" looks)
Kuma (I have even heard people claim Hancock could defeat him (no shit!))
Izo (Do you even know who this guy is? Didn't think so)
 
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