the most powerful team in akatsuki

[The Amazing Kaguya]

Pein and Konan successfully led a two man infiltration of the largest village and left nothing but rubble and a crater.

 

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Orochimaru and Sasori

 

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True, there was nothing that jiraya couldnt do what naruto did in sage mode, jiraya even had toads to stay in sage mode for longer interval, so if he knew the info that naruto did, fight would had been over for six paths, but beating nagato in person would had been difficult.

 

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He didn't say he was going easy on her in that scan, he said he took her lightly which means he underestimated her. She proved to be stronger than he thought also you can use the whole he needed to get Nagato's whereabout from her but he's not going to let himself die for it since it would be useless to him dead. Zetsu is not an army, Zetsu is the combination of Black Zetsu and White Zetsu; each Zetsu have their own personality as shown from the different personalities they have. We didn't see Obito with the army, we saw him with the combined Zetsu.

Taking somebody lightly is a figurative way of going easy on somebody. And the fact that he said he was going to capture her first proves that he went easy on her.

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No, zetsu is an army and those clones are an extension of his power. It was also stated in the fourth databook as the army being white zetsu.

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How does Obito slaughters Nagato when he can't touch Nagato? He would have to get pass the 6 Peins; if Obito with the Rinnegan had trouble fighting 3 ninjas (KM Naruto, Gai, and Kakashi; Bee wasn't really fighting close range like the others) since he has to be tangible to actually Kamui someone which leaves him open to be attack them the 6 Paths who actually fight in unison would be a major disadvantage to Obito since they can better time their attacks than Naruto, Gai and Kakashi can since they're being controlled by the same person.

Obito fought BM naruto, Hachibi, kakashi, and Gai and he was still winning until kakashi realized he was the sole weakness to Kamui. Pein can't even touch Obito, his kamui renders all attacks completely useless.

He can easily do this to a JJ level character:

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and the manga stated that his power overwhelmed two jinchuuriki's and kakashi with Gai:

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Nagato wouldn't even last against two perfect jinchuuriki's

Except that he needs to be tangible to warp which Nagato and Konan knows plus he wouldn't know where Nagato real body is even if he is a sensor since Nagato is stationed outside sensors range. SM Naruto couldn't sense him without implying himself with a chakra rod. If by some miracle Obito finds NagatoMs location then it's worst for him since all of the Peins jutsus are faster and stronger when used by Nagato personally. Nagato can just summon his paths to him just like how animal summoned them after she went through Konoha's barrier to trick them into thinking only 1 enemy infiltrated.

Obito's not warping anybody if he's going to kill them. He'll stay intangible and strike them like he did to JJ madara

What makes you think Minato was using his sensory ability on Obito? You have to be consciously using it to use it; in Hashirama flashback he asked Tobirama if he sensed something but Tobirama said he wasn't kneading his chakra at that time and in the war Yin Kurama told Edo Minato to turn his chakra into a sensor to sense what happened to Naruto. Nagato was using it to sense Edo Itachi was going to use Amaterasu and used it to track Kabuto's whereabout and told Edo Itachi. Share vision gives that paths sight of all angles plus allow them to attack with great timing; Gai and Kakashi were doing this to Obito when he tried attacking KM Naruto and you think 6 bodies with perfect unison can't while 3 ninjas did?

1. Minato did sense Obito out, that's why he attempted to stab him from behind.
Even Danzou's guards couldn't sense him:

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2. Team 11 had hinata, kakashi, yamato, kiba, sakura, shino, and naruto fight obito head on. two doujustus that can track movement better than the rinnegan with two sensors yet not one of them were able to catch goofy Obito.

six paths of pein can do nothing to Obito, he slips right through all of them easily and he can disapear and re-appear faster than shuushin.

Besides the Uchiha forbidden jutsus (which I'm sure are Izanagi and Izanami), the other jutsus or at least most of them requires the Rinnegan which Nagato has. Madara taught Obito Rinnegan jutsus which Obito showcased after getting the Rinnegan. Obito destroys what? You showed a scan of a clone of Bee that Sasuke gave Obito which was just a Hachibi tentacle. Visual genjutsu doesn't work on the Rinnegan so no need to even mention it and Pretha path absorbs Katon or ST pushes it back at the user.

flame formation, return of the uchiha, etc are all under obito's uchiha ability.
Also, Madara made no mention of the rinnegan because nagato has it. He specifically told him to use the black rods:

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The scan of tobi using gedo mazou to extract Bee is just a voucher to his ability to use six path power before gaining the rinnegan.

visual genjustu does work on the rinnegan, that hoax was proven false by the translators

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Officially Pain/Konan is tied with Kisame and Itachi.

Unofficially ~ Itachi and Nagato

 

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Taking somebody lightly is a figurative way of going easy on somebody. And the fact that he said he was going to capture her first proves that he went easy on her.

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No, zetsu is an army and those clones are an extension of his power. It was also stated in the fourth databook as the army being white zetsu.

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Obito fought BM naruto, Hachibi, kakashi, and Gai and he was still winning until kakashi realized he was the sole weakness to Kamui. Pein can't even touch Obito, his kamui renders all attacks completely useless.

He can easily do this to a JJ level character:

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and the manga stated that his power overwhelmed two jinchuuriki's and kakashi with Gai:

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Nagato wouldn't even last against two perfect jinchuuriki's



Obito's not warping anybody if he's going to kill them. He'll stay intangible and strike them like he did to JJ madara



1. Minato did sense Obito out, that's why he attempted to stab him from behind.
Even Danzou's guards couldn't sense him:

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2. Team 11 had hinata, kakashi, yamato, kiba, sakura, shino, and naruto fight obito head on. two doujustus that can track movement better than the rinnegan with two sensors yet not one of them were able to catch goofy Obito.

six paths of pein can do nothing to Obito, he slips right through all of them easily and he can disapear and re-appear faster than shuushin.




flame formation, return of the uchiha, etc are all under obito's uchiha ability.
Also, Madara made no mention of the rinnegan because nagato has it. He specifically told him to use the black rods:

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The scan of tobi using gedo mazou to extract Bee is just a voucher to his ability to use six path power before gaining the rinnegan.

visual genjustu does work on the rinnegan, that hoax was proven false by the translators

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Obito said he took Konan too lightly meaning he underestimated her, he even mentions her being one of the first Akatsuki members as a praise to her skills. You go easy on someone you underestimated so I don't see why you're arguing this since you're agreeing with my point lol. So you think in all fights that Naruto went easy on Sasuke (except the academy fight)? Naruto never wanted to kill Sasuke but capture him yet we see the amount of destruction both can cause. Obito was going in on Konan (no more taking her lightly) after seeing that she knows how to counter his Kamui but her strategy pushed him into using Izanagi.

Black Zetsu said "White Zetsu" are people who were caught in IT from Kaguya; Zetsu is black Zetsu combined with White Zetsu, they are referred as Zetsu while White Zetsu is referred as White Zetsu

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and Naruto referred to Black Zetsu as black guy

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and Sasuke called him black Zetsu

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and Obito did as well

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. Therefore this is about Zetsu, and each white Zetsu is different and were made from different people.

Obito was fighting 4 people who had no knowledge of Kamui while Nagato has 6 bodies that have better teamwork and actual knows about his weakness. Konan already countered Kamui, Obito can only stay intangible for 5 minutes so all they need to do is constantly attack for more than 5 minutes as Konan has done. No Obito can't easily do that to a JJ, JJ Madara allowed him to get that close thinking he could turn Obito to his side and even then Obito's body was changed after becoming the JJ

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(Minato's FTG doesn't disappear but it did when Obito's body changed) and he still had the Rinnegan at that time which Obito said was powerful with just the one eye

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. Again, that overwhelming power was Obito with the Rinnegan since he was just using the Bijuus not to long ago.

Edo Nagato, who is weaker than alive Nagato, was taking on both Naruto and Bee.... Yes Naruto wasn't a perfect Jin at that time but Bee was and it was Bee who Edo Nagato absorbed chakra from to regain some life force which made him stronger. Nagato sent 3 giant toads who are around Bijuu size miles away with ST and that was Deva path after he used a ton of chakra so imagine what Nagato who uses stronger 6 path jutsus can do. Except that Madara allowed Obito to walk up to him them Obito struck Madara then went intangible. With shared vision, the Peins can counter Obito trying to attack him; use ST to stop any attacks the momenet Obito goes tangible to attack.

You do know that ninjas who are non-sensors can sense when danger is near them right? Itachi who is a non-sensor attack 2 of Naruto's clones that attacked him from behind. Minato had no reason to have his sensory up since he was looking to stop Kurama who was right in his line of vision. Minato doesn't keep his sensory ability on from what we see, he has to turn it on or else Edo Minato wouldn't need Yin Kurama to tell him to do it; in battle he may have it on but Minato wasn't fighting at that point and doesn't need his sensory for Kurama who non-sensors like Kakashi can sense. Danzo's body guard was distracted when Obito ripped off his arm and kicked it at him; the arm had nano bugs that would kill him so his attention switched to to arm, that scan doesn't support your case.

Rinnegan has better vision than EMS and you think 3T/MS and a Byakugan (not even Neji level with it) is better? Get real man, Rinnegan is on a higher tier than both those Doujutsu. Also they couldn't do anything to Obito because they didn't know anything about Obito's Kamui whereas Nagato and Konan does. Minato was able to breakdown Kamui after seeing it once then further break it down seeing it a second time; he was able to win due to his knowledge as well as skills. Shunshin speed depends on the amount of chakra you use, Naruto in KM have speed compared to Minato's FTG which is instant.

Except that Madara did mention the Rinnegan, he said that Obito needs both Senju and Uchiha powers but even if he can't awakened it he can still control the Gedo Mazo

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. Nagato shown better control in battle than Obito (Obito never shown using it in battle until after he had the Rinnegan. Most of the examples you used are from Rinnegan Obito or post JJ Obito who had his body strengthen; this is the strongest Akatsuki members which means you use the Obito who fought Konan and not Obito who got the Rinnegan.

Using the Gedo was the one Rikudo jutsu Madara said Obito could do without the Rinnegan as the scan above shows. Oh and Obito never extracted Bee, that was a clone than turned back into the Hachibi's tentacle so Obito never used the Gedo to extract Bijuus like Nagato; he was able to use them after he had the Rinnegan as shown by Naruto having to remove the chakra rods to remove Obito's control. Translators of the manga or DB? Why didn't Edo Itachi not use genjutsus on Edo Nagato when he uses it on Bee (without knowing the Hachibi could break Bee out) and on Kabuto? Sasuke said his Susanoo that he made with his eyes (one being the Rinnegan) is keeping out IT

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and Black Zetsu even said it

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. To say a MS genjutsu can have any strong effect on the Rinnegan is like saying 3T can do the same to EMS.... Nagato had the Rinnegan for like over 20 years so he's not a novice with it either.

 

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Obito said he took Konan too lightly meaning he underestimated her, he even mentions her being one of the first Akatsuki members as a praise to her skills. You go easy on someone you underestimated so I don't see why you're arguing this since you're agreeing with my point lol. So you think in all fights that Naruto went easy on Sasuke (except the academy fight)? Naruto never wanted to kill Sasuke but capture him yet we see the amount of destruction both can cause. Obito was going in on Konan (no more taking her lightly) after seeing that she knows how to counter his Kamui but her strategy pushed him into using Izanagi. [/QUOTE]

Konan didn't intentionally pushed Obito to Izanagi, she had no knowledge about it. When you take somebody lightly, it means that you didn't put any heavy amount of effort against your opponent.

He could of binded her with mokuton and kill her for all he cared, but the rinnegan was important for the war so he castes a genjustu later on the fight instead of the beginning.

Black Zetsu said "White Zetsu" are people who were caught in IT from Kaguya; Zetsu is black Zetsu combined with White Zetsu, they are referred as Zetsu while White Zetsu is referred as White Zetsu

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and Naruto referred to Black Zetsu as black guy

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and Sasuke called him black Zetsu

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and Obito did as well

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. Therefore this is about Zetsu, and each white Zetsu is different and were made from different people.

So what's your point?

Zetsu as a whole means all the Zetsus along with black zetsu.
It's like saying shin is different from shin, all those Zetsus equal one entity.

So an army of himself along with black zetsu attached to one white zetsu is way too much for konan.

Obito was fighting 4 people who had no knowledge of Kamui while Nagato has 6 bodies that have better teamwork and actual knows about his weakness. Konan already countered Kamui, Obito can only stay intangible for 5 minutes so all they need to do is constantly attack for more than 5 minutes as Konan has done. No Obito can't easily do that to a JJ, JJ Madara allowed him to get that close thinking he could turn Obito to his side and even then Obito's body was changed after becoming the JJ

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(Minato's FTG doesn't disappear but it did when Obito's body changed) and he still had the Rinnegan at that time which Obito said was powerful with just the one eye

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. Again, that overwhelming power was Obito with the Rinnegan since he was just using the Bijuus not to long ago.

Wrong, Kakashi went in there with knowledge of kamui, Sakura figured out that naruto slipped through dimensions after he overlapped. It just so happened to be that Kakashi had access Obito's body parts and that's why Obito got hit once.
Konan had limited knowledge of kamui but you assume Nagato did despite this not being stated in the manga.

Edo Nagato, who is weaker than alive Nagato, was taking on both Naruto and Bee.... Yes Naruto wasn't a perfect Jin at that time but Bee was and it was Bee who Edo Nagato absorbed chakra from to regain some life force which made him stronger. Nagato sent 3 giant toads who are around Bijuu size miles away with ST and that was Deva path after he used a ton of chakra so imagine what Nagato who uses stronger 6 path jutsus can do. Except that Madara allowed Obito to walk up to him them Obito struck Madara then went intangible. With shared vision, the Peins can counter Obito trying to attack him; use ST to stop any attacks the momenet Obito goes tangible to attack.

Edo Nagato fought version 2 bee and kcm naruto, even Edo itachi was beating them.

Obito fought Hachibi and BM naruto, those two jinchuuriki's would destroy Nagato 2 v1.

Obito's not warping anybody, so his intangibility won't go down. S/T will be useless and return of the uchiha will reflect all ninjustus.

You do know that ninjas who are non-sensors can sense when danger is near them right? Itachi who is a non-sensor attack 2 of Naruto's clones that attacked him from behind. Minato had no reason to have his sensory up since he was looking to stop Kurama who was right in his line of vision. Minato doesn't keep his sensory ability on from what we see, he has to turn it on or else Edo Minato wouldn't need Yin Kurama to tell him to do it; in battle he may have it on but Minato wasn't fighting at that point and doesn't need his sensory for Kurama who non-sensors like Kakashi can sense. Danzo's body guard was distracted when Obito ripped off his arm and kicked it at him; the arm had nano bugs that would kill him so his attention switched to to arm, that scan doesn't support your case.

Danzo told his guards to keep there sensor up.

And if throwing an arm is a distraction, then Obito can eject kamui stacks as a distraction if he wanted to.

I can tell how wrong you are on the concept of sensing considering the fact that pein didn't sense naruto in their konoha fight. He somehow didn't see the shadow clones underneath him even though he's a sensor.

Rinnegan has better vision than EMS and you think 3T/MS and a Byakugan (not even Neji level with it) is better? Get real man, Rinnegan is on a higher tier than both those Doujutsu. Also they couldn't do anything to Obito because they didn't know anything about Obito's Kamui whereas Nagato and Konan does. Minato was able to breakdown Kamui after seeing it once then further break it down seeing it a second time; he was able to win due to his knowledge as well as skills. Shunshin speed depends on the amount of chakra you use, Naruto in KM have speed compared to Minato's FTG which is instant.

You know nothing about doujustus. The Byukagan is said to have better insight than all the other doujustus, while coming in second is the sharingan.
Doesn't matter what your strength tier list is, some doujustus specialize on different abilities.

All space time ninjustu are instant.
Phasing kamui is instant.

Except that Madara did mention the Rinnegan, he said that Obito needs both Senju and Uchiha powers but even if he can't awakened it he can still control the Gedo Mazo

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. Nagato shown better control in battle than Obito (Obito never shown using it in battle until after he had the Rinnegan. Most of the examples you used are from Rinnegan Obito or post JJ Obito who had his body strengthen; this is the strongest Akatsuki members which means you use the Obito who fought Konan and not Obito who got the Rinnegan.

Now you're lying.
Naruto said Obito has better control of the outerpath than Nagato.
Obito used nine dragons without the rinnegan like it was nothing, while Nagato nearly died to one.

And even if nagato's six path Justus are stronger...

Kamui+mokuton+uchiha tech+perfect jinch level genjustu+yin yang release+six paths>>>>>>> just a stronger six paths

Obito is leagues above him

Using the Gedo was the one Rikudo jutsu Madara said Obito could do without the Rinnegan as the scan above shows. Oh and Obito never extracted Bee, that was a clone than turned back into the Hachibi's tentacle so Obito never used the Gedo to extract Bijuus like Nagato; he was able to use them after he had the Rinnegan as shown by Naruto having to remove the chakra rods to remove Obito's control. Translators of the manga or DB? Why didn't Edo Itachi not use genjutsus on Edo Nagato when he uses it on Bee (without knowing the Hachibi could break Bee out) and on Kabuto? Sasuke said his Susanoo that he made with his eyes (one being the Rinnegan) is keeping out IT

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and Black Zetsu even said it

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. To say a MS genjutsu can have any strong effect on the Rinnegan is like saying 3T can do the same to EMS.... Nagato had the Rinnegan for like over 20 years so he's not a novice with it either.

Nope, not only Gedo mazou:

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Even this too as blind Madara demonstrated using the black rods

Genjustu is not going to work on an Edo tensei

Obito>>>>Nagato

 

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I'll go with Pain and Konan. Or rather the 6 Paths of Pain since they provide the best teamwork with their shared vision.

In terms of Teamwork Hidan and Kakuzu are a good team since Kakuzu can blast Hidan along with the enemy.


Although as a Team overall I'll go with Itachi and Kisame.