The most overlooked speed feat in the entire series

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Despite being told that he had arrived, Sasuke was able to enter a room with some of the strongest ninja in the world without anyone noticing he was on the ceiling til the sensor nin pointed it out after he cut down each flag. In otherwords despite being on alert no one physically saw him enter the room, much less reach the ceiling then cut the flags. And this was a Sasuke pretty worn out from fighting the Raikage. Mainly due to his own power - the Mangekyo's side effects.



They were all unable to keep up with a weakened Sasuke's casual speed despite being told of his arrival. He wasn't out of breath or anything. And had to wait for them all to notice him.
 
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If you look at their faces, they all knew already that he had arrived. The sensoy nin was just captain obvious when sasuke finally landed on the ceiling & got neg'd by the tsuchikage
Nice try. I already checked the manga before posting this thread and each of them were surprised. Hence the exclamation point.



But yeah you're right in your off-topic remark about how the Tsuchikage negged an even more weakened Sasuke who didn't care about him as he was only after Danzo who already ran away.

1v1 Sasuke beats them all. Remember Chiyo's words? Vs a Sharingan user run away if it's 1 on 1 as you need atleast 1 other person around to save you from Genjutsu.
 
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Nice try. I already checked the manga before posting this thread and each of them were surprised. Hence the exclamation point.



But yeah you're right in your off-topic remark about how the Tsuchikage negged an even more weakened Sasuke who didn't care about him as he was only after Danzo who already ran away.

1v1 Sasuke beats them all. Remember Chiyo's words? Vs a Sharingan user run away if it's 1 on 1 as you need atleast 1 other person around to save you from Genjutsu.

that link leads nowhere but i'll take your word for it in the manga. Mifune still blitzed him & as far as chiyo's quote, she is an old lady, real ninja dont need to run from the sharingan.... bee would've killed sasuke.... the raikage wouldve killed sasuke if Gaara didnt intervene, and onoki would've negged him... plus naruto would shit all over him aswell
 

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that link leads nowhere but i'll take your word for it in the manga.
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Mifune still blitzed him
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& as far as chiyo's quote, she is an old lady, real ninja dont need to run from the sharingan.... bee would've killed sasuke.... the raikage wouldve killed sasuke if Gaara didnt intervene, and onoki would've negged him... plus naruto would shit all over him aswell
Bee had the Hachibi save him otherwise Genjutsu would neg him. The Raikage had to power up to his strongest mode and sacrafice a limb to potentially touch/harm Sasuke with Gaara intervening on the second strike. He was only willing to go so far because he had a medic ninja on his side who could heal him if needed.

Although Shee was easily knocked out by Sasuke's Genjutsu and needed Darui to wake him up and his assisstance to even stand. Whereas Sasuke didn't cast Genjutsu on the Raikage when they made obvious eye contact.

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Guess Kishimoto didn't want him to defeat a Kage level opponent without receiving any hits/damage. And yes, the Tsuchikage negged an even more weakened Sasuke who didn't care about him as he was only after Danzo who already ran away.
 

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still slower than the raikage.
Which is irrelevant to my point. But since you're compaeing him to the Raikage I'll go ahead and mention how that battle showed that he was faster than Base Minato given that Shee stated the Raikage's Lightning armor placed him on the same level as Minato. Yet Sasuke evaded his lightning enhanced speed while having Chidori activated for a pinpointed attack.



 

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Which is irrelevant to my point. But since you're compaeing him to the Raikage I'll go ahead and mention how that battle showed that he was faster than Base Minato given that Shee stated the Raikage's Lightning armor placed him on the same level as Minato. Yet Sasuke evaded his lightning enhanced speed while having Chidori activated for a pinpointed attack.



A) that's not what chee said

B) what chee said is a load of horse piss.

a)Chee stated that the raikage's nerve transmission and reflexes are on par with minato. Then he goes on to say that with the armour the aforementioned reflexes get augmented. This implies that base Ay in terms of reflexes is equal to minato.

b)We know this is horse piss because V2 ay said himself that minato still dodged him at his fastest. Implying that even at V2 his reactions are still worse than that of Minato.


But nice attempt at a deflection.Bringing up minato, as if it makes my point about sasuke being slower incorrect.

















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It dont tho.
 

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Do you really think that Kishi thought to himself "lets do this to make Sasuke appear faster than all 5 of the kage and show easily he could speed blitz them"?

No, he obviously didn't. It was just done for dramatic effect. If the former were true hed have speed blitzed the kage.
 
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A) that's not what chee said

B) what chee said is a load of horse piss.

a)Chee stated that the raikage's nerve transmission and reflexes are on par with minato. Then he goes on to say that with the armour the aforementioned reflexes get augmented. This implies that base Ay in terms of reflexes is equal to minato.

b)We know this is horse piss because V2 ay said himself that minato still dodged him at his fastest. Implying that even at V2 his reactions are still worse than that of Minato.


But nice attempt at a deflection.Bringing up minato, as if it makes my point about sasuke being slower incorrect.

















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It dont tho.
It's possible that Ay did not possess V2 back then. No hair spike, no chakra shroud in gigantic proportions were visibly seen. Cee's statement is blatantly correct as teleportation, ie; space time Ninjutsu is considered by Kishi as raw speed.
Do you really think that Kashi thought to himself "lets do this to make Sasuke appear faster than all 5 of the kage and show easily he could speed blitz them"?

No, he obviously didn't. It was just done for dramatic effect. If the former were true hed have speed blitzed the kage.
Sasuke wasn't in the most "killer of intent" state of mind back then. He slowly progressed towards losing the ability to think rationally and procceeded to cut off his sanity during the Danzo fight. His motive was Danzo, only.
 

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Do you really think that Kashi thought to himself "lets do this to make Sasuke appear faster than all 5 of the kage and show easily he could speed blitz them"?

No, he obviously didn't. It was just done for dramatic effect. If the former were true hed have speed blitzed the kage.
This really. You know yourself that Sasuke was weak and you're certain that he could have speed blitzed the kage in that weakened state?
 

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A) that's not what chee said

B) what chee said is a load of horse piss.

a)Chee stated that the raikage's nerve transmission and reflexes are on par with minato. Then he goes on to say that with the armour the aforementioned reflexes get augmented. This implies that base Ay in terms of reflexes is equal to minato.

b)We know this is horse piss because V2 ay said himself that minato still dodged him at his fastest. Implying that even at V2 his reactions are still worse than that of Minato.


But nice attempt at a deflection.Bringing up minato, as if it makes my point about sasuke being slower incorrect.

It dont tho.
How are you going to claim deflection when that's exactly what you did? Shee stated the Raikage's reaction speed was on par with Minato's yet Sasuke easily evaded him. Minato is only faster with teleportation. Not footspeed. You brought up A who was irrelevant to the OP, so I brought up Minato who was relevant to Sasuke's battle with the Raikage.

Do you really think that Kashi thought to himself "lets do this to make Sasuke appear faster than all 5 of the kage and show easily he could speed blitz them"?No, he obviously didn't.
Right, so he purposefully showed multiple Kage being surprised by Sasuke's arrival on accident? "He's here!" *Everyone looks around* "Above!" *Everyone looks above surprised to see Sasuke on the ceiling after entering the room and cutting all the flags*.

How could this be an accident? In the manga they were all even shown with an exclamation point to further declare their surprise.

It was just done for dramatic effect.
Sasuke always has speed feats done for dramatic effect. Like crossing over to Naruto at Orochimaru's hideout (which further coincides with this scene as Yamato and Sakura were both surprised by his speed) & escaping Deidara's Ultimate Explosion.

Besides, even if you were right, it still doesn't change the fact that it happened. It's a fact that they were all unable to keep up with a weakened Sasuke's casual speed despite being told of his arrival. He wasn't out of breath or anything. And had to wait for them all to notice him. Matter fact I'll add this to the OP now.

If the former were true hed have speed blitzed the kage.
Why would Sasuke blitz the Kage whom he didn't care about rather than head after his target Danzo who ran away when Mifune attacked Sasuke?

This really. You know yourself that Sasuke was weak and you're certain that he could have speed blitzed the kage in that weakened state?
The fastest Kage was the Raikage whom as i stated and showed to Benjermin, Sasuke easily evaded despite him being said to be on par with Minato.
 

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How are you going to claim deflection when that's exactly what you did? Shee stated the Raikage's reaction speed was on par with Minato's yet Sasuke easily evaded him. Minato is only faster with teleportation. Not footspeed. You brought up A who was irrelevant to the OP, so I brought up Minato who was relevant to Sasuke's battle with the Raikage.



Right, so he purposefully showed multiple Kage being surprised by Sasuke's arrival on accident? "He's here!" *Everyone looks around* "Above!" *Everyone looks above surprised to see Sasuke on the ceiling after entering the room and cutting all the flags*.

How could this be an accident? In the manga they were all even shown with an exclamation point to further declare their surprise.



Sasuke always has speed feats done for dramatic effect. Like crossing over to Naruto at Orochimaru's hideout (which further coincides with this scene as Yamato and Sakura were both surprised by his speed) & escaping Deidara's Ultimate Explosion.

Besides, even if you were right, it still doesn't change the fact that it happened. It's a fact that they were all unable to keep up with a weakened Sasuke's casual speed despite being told of his arrival. He wasn't out of breath or anything. And had to wait for them all to notice him. Matter fact I'll add this to the OP now.



Why would Sasuke blitz the Kage whom he didn't care about rather than head after his target Danzo who ran away when Mifune attacked Sasuke?



The fastest Kage was the Raikage whom as i stated and showed to Benjermin, Sasuke easily evaded despite him being said to be on par with Minato.
Youre just creating even more logical inconsistencies in your argument. In that case hed have just speed blitzed Danzo, or done the same in the fight against him later.

It's just common sense. When writing a series, sometimes there'll be moments that dont align with another 100% perfectly but still enhance the experience. This was one of them. Youre looking at this too much with the eyes of a fan whos looking at something at face value rather than in the mindset of how the creator intends it.

This was done to draw attention to the fact that the climax is approaching and create suspense for the viewer. And the exclamation mark doesn't always mean surprise, i can often mean recognition and realisation. None of the kage were surprised at all, it's obvious just by looking at it, if they were surprised Kishi would have drawn attention to it and made sure that the reader knew that the scene was meant to show off how he overwhelmed the kage.

If you need further evidence of this idea being used in the series just look at 8th gate Gai vs Madara, and how everybody was able to see what was happening there when Gai was supposedly meant to be moving at incredible speeds. It's not a hard concept to understand.

Also, just to humour that last point about being faster than Ay, yes he outplayed him at that moment, however it's clear that it was calculated and the sharingans precog was what enabled him to foresee the attack coming. It wasn't raw speed alone. Youre trying too hard to wank Sasuke, promoting everything that supports your argument whilst ignoring everything that doesn't.
 
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Youre just creating even more logical inconsistencies in your argument. In that case hed have just speed blitzed Danzo, or done the same in the fight against him later.

It's just common sense. When writing a series, sometimes there'll be moments that dont align with another 100% perfectly but still enhance the experience. This was one of them. Youre looking at this too much with the eyes of a fan whos looking at something at face value rather than in the mindset of how the creator intends it.

This was done to draw attention to the fact that the climax is approaching and create suspense for the viewer. And the exclamation mark doesn't always mean surprise, i can often mean recognition and realisation. None of the kage were surprised at all, it's obvious just by looking at it, if they were surprised Kishi would have drawn attention to it and made sure that the reader knew that the scene was meant to show off how he overwhelmed the kage.

If you need further evidence of this idea being used in the series just look at 8th gate Gai vs Madara, and how everybody was able to see what was happening there when Gai was supposedly meant to be moving at incredible speeds. It's not a hard concept to understand.

Also, just to humour that last point about being faster than Ay, yes he outplayed him at that moment, however it's clear that it was calculated and the sharingans precog was what enabled him to foresee the attack coming. It wasn't raw speed alone. Youre trying too hard to wank Sasuke, promoting everything that supports your argument whilst ignoring everything that doesn't.
Danzo repeatedly spammed Izanagi. That rendered a speed blitz meaningless in that fight. Plus he wasn't surprised by Sasuke sneaking into the hall. Meaning he can keep up with that levels of speed.
 

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It's possible that Ay did not possess V2 back then. No hair spike, no chakra shroud in gigantic proportions were visibly seen. Cee's statement is blatantly correct as teleportation, ie; space time Ninjutsu is considered by Kishi as raw speed.
Ay was wearing a headband that keep his hair down, and when talking to naruto he said minato is the only other person to dodge him at his fastest, so it had to be V2

Chee wasn't talking about footspeed tho. He specifically brought up mental reaction speed. So idk why you'd even bring that up.


How are you going to claim deflection when that's exactly what you did? Shee stated the Raikage's reaction speed was on par with Minato's yet Sasuke easily evaded him. Minato is only faster with teleportation. Not footspeed. You brought up A who was irrelevant to the OP, so I brought up Minato who was relevant to Sasuke's battle with the Raikage.
Shee's statement is garbage because teleportation does not increase mental reaction speed. The very thing shee specifically brings up. Yet Ay says himself that minato can mentally reacto to him at his Fastest(V2), therefore its impossible for minato to be on par with his slowest(base).
 

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Ay was wearing a headband that keep his hair down, and when talking to naruto he said minato is the only other person to dodge him at his fastest, so it had to be V2

Chee wasn't talking about footspeed tho. He specifically brought up mental reaction speed. So idk why you'd even bring that up.




Shee's statement is garbage because teleportation does not increase mental reaction speed. The very thing shee specifically brings up. Yet Ay says himself that minato can mentally reacto to him at his Fastest(V2), therefore its impossible for minato to be on par with his slowest(base).
Your suggestion goes against portrayal. Chakra shrouds as thick as V2 has the capability to shatter nearby rocks; like how Tobirama cracked the wall. The headband should've thrown up, by your suggestion. Ay never says Minato evades his fastest speed, he says fastest punch. Shunshin is the composition of V2, we do know
Shunshin doesn't increase punch speeds; as it works like NOS to a muscle car. 4th Databook clarifies V1 Ay = him, in overall speed, FTG is considered raw speed so V1 Ay = FTG's speed. We've already seen how confident he was to kill him, when he appears from his Kunai.

Cee's statement matches with the feats as, one can react mentally to a faster opponent even if he's slow physically. Refer to Kakashi reacting to Juubidara.
 

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A) that's not what chee said

B) what chee said is a load of horse piss.

a)Chee stated that the raikage's nerve transmission and reflexes are on par with minato. Then he goes on to say that with the armour the aforementioned reflexes get augmented. This implies that base Ay in terms of reflexes is equal to minato.

b)We know this is horse piss because V2 ay said himself that minato still dodged him at his fastest. Implying that even at V2 his reactions are still worse than that of Minato.


But nice attempt at a deflection.Bringing up minato, as if it makes my point about sasuke being slower incorrect.

















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It dont tho.
Reflexes=/=Footspeed. From what I can understand Cee compared base Ay reflexes to minato so the latter reacting to Ay top speed wouldn't be that relevant as footspeed doesn't alwys corrrelate with reflexes/reaction speed. You don't need to be as fast or move anywhere as fast as someone to react to them... Tobirama reacting to juubito proves this.
 

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for every "sasuke speed feat" there is also a "sasuke gets negged"...which is why I wouldn't overwank him too much (but given the OP that's like asking for money trees to grow)
 
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