The most intelligent character in the Narutoverse.

natssuu · Jun 5, 2012

destined 2 win said:
for me minato is the most intellegent person in narutoverse , why?????

bcoz
1. he created rashingan which is such an awsome jutsu and also worked on nature tranformation process but was sort of time. minato was like nuclear scientist of narutoverse

2.minato developed parallel space time teleportation jutsu. only 3 person ever managed to do it and minato had by far the best among them. in a way minato was like einstine working on space time theory

3. death reaper seal , most of the person cant even seal the reaper but he actually developed this jutsu himself and foiled the 9 tail attack by it so it also shows how innovative is he .

What does those things have anything to do with intelligence?

william7 · Jun 5, 2012

I think you guys are forgeting about minato dudes a genius he figured out how to beat tobi

TrollingSage · Jun 5, 2012

Vin Thora said:
The way is see it is that Itachi has a much bigger arsenal of jutsus to back himself up, while Shikamaru has like 2 shadow jutsus.

It is stated in the manga that Shikamaru has I.Q of over 200 (genius, in our world, is >150), can create upto 200 strategies in his mind, and pick the best one. These feats of intelligence are unparalleled in the Narutoverse.

Firstly, Itachi has the Sharingan to see hand-seals made, positioning, Kage Bunshins etc, which enhances his analysis during battle. Shikamaru's battle strategy/planning is beyond ANY other character seen so far; just look at his fight against Temari.

Itachi's gameplan is sooo simple, yet damn effective due to the combination of jutsus he uses (MS techs, and you're done), while Shikamaru has like 2 jutsus and has been able to use that to defeat shinobi who are atleast a few levels above, and beyond him. THAT is intelligence and battle strategy.

If you measure intelligence by comparing battle stratgies employed, Shikamaru wins against any character in the Narutoverse, save for his own father (The Brain of the Leaf, Nara Shikaku).

If you measure intelligence by looking at the broader and long-term picture, Tobi (whoever he is), is EASILY the most intelligent, as no matter what happens, the guy comes out on top, so far. Obviously he'll be killed off by Naruto (with a little help from our old friend plot-no-jutsu).

Do not argue about Itachi's long-term plans as none of them worked out. People say "Die by Sasuke's hands, and give him MS" is a plan that worked out. Well, that plan was DAMN simple, as he could've just tracked Sasuke down anytime and faced off (explaining MS during fight, so Sasuke takes eyes to become more powerful). Also, people forget that making Sasuke the hero was also part of the plan- backfired big time. All he ended up doing was killing himself, and alienating his brother. Im not an Itachi hater; I just dont like it when people overestimate his abilities.

Battle Strategy - Shikamaru

Long-Term - Tobi, then Minato.

I invite all Itachi fanboys/girls to try and challenge my argument.

Not an itachi fanboi but coming for ya
If sasuke helps naruto to stop tobi, then surely itachi's long term plan and decision to join minato's plan and leave things in naruto's hands > decades of tobi's cunning planning and resource gathering.

For minato he gave took the fox(who will play a part in tobi's downfall) and gave it to naruto who will stop tobi in a matter of minutes and the fruit is reaped more than 16 years laters. Thats better intelllect than tobi
GAME OVER

UzumakiNaruto20 · Jun 5, 2012

Shikaku>Shikamaru>Minato>Kakashi>Itachi

BloodSeed · Jun 5, 2012

God Of The Uchiha said:
I've seen many threads arguing about Itachi's and Shikamaru's intelligence. I would like to clear things out once and for all so that the fanboys can be silenced. Let me start off by saying that I am indeed an Uchiha fanboy, however, I can acknowledge when any Uchiha would loose. I've admitted Itachi's defeat to several characters many a time, and with full confidence, and not out of reluctance. This will hopefully assure you that I'm not being too biased.

Let's start off with Itachi. We'll begin with some factual information:

Itachi has a 5 in intelligence, as does Shikamaru.

Itachi became an Anbu captain at the age of 13! A feat worthy of remark in a thread like this.

Itachi was born into the Uchiha clan as the eldest son of Mikoto and Fugaku Uchiha and was praised by all as the best of his generation, a genius above all others, even by the standards of the battle-adept Uchiha clan, Itachi's prowess far outshone their own. However, few could understand him. When he was only four, Itachi had already witnessed countless lives lost due to the Third Shinobi World War, which emotionally traumatised him and turned him into a pacifist. This is a brief summary of his intelligence. If you look at the parts in bold you'll notice that he was praised by many, and without a doubt already one of the most intelligent character introduced to the series.

At age 7, Itachi graduated from the Academy at the top of his class after only one year, mastered the Sharingan at age 8, passed the Chūnin Exams at age 10, enrolled in ANBU half a year later and became captain by 13. I'm sure the parts in bold surprise you.

When Itachi volunteered to fight Kakashi as they were coming for the Akatsuki in the early parts of the Shippuden, I'm sure he wasn't even scared. He managed to fend off Chiyo, Kakashi, Sakura and Naruto despite not having the Mangekyo Sharingan with him. Although he lost, he did his job, and if he wanted to I'm sure he could have done some serious damage.

One of the greatest feats that Itachi has achieved is breaking out of the Edo Tensei. Although many might argue that it was a completely lucky event and had nothing to do with intelligence. I beg to differ. If that was anyone else they would not have known what to do with KA. KA isn't, and was never supposed to be used for the Edo Tensei. The fact that Itachi, so quickly realized that he could break out of it with KA is tremendous and is also a monument to his intelligence.

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Just look at Kabuto's poor face, and his reaction. "Uchiha Itachi... he's clearly on another level to the others!" I wonder if Kabuto had Shikamaru in his mind when he was saying this :noc:

Here we see Itachi blocking Nagato's summon, so he can create a blind spot in the Rinnegan's shared field of vision! This is insanity, I don't know whether he figured this out on the spot, or he already knew about the Rinnegan's shared field of vision, but either way, Shikamaru would never have been able to do this. Some ask why this requires intelligence, it's a physical feat, no? That may hold some truth, but without intelligence such a feat could not have been executed.

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One of my favourite things I like to reminisce about is the time when Itachi analyzed Nagato's Chibaku Tensei. Something I doubt Shikamaru would have been able to do, please note that me saying Shikamaru not being able to analyze Chibaku Tensei properly is just my opinion, it holds no facts. Let's explore this feat.

Here we see Itachi noting almost instantly that is has a gravitational pull! This is ludicrous! What a genius!

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This is practically the same thing, he's analyzing it.

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Within seconds Itachi's already figured out Chibaku Tensei's weakness. What a genius! Note how he also says that you do not have to aim as it's gravitational pull will simply guide the attack. Shikamaru has nothing on this. They seem to think that tactically he's better, which is false.

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Notice how direct, and official Itachi is. He asks the right questions, and gets the job done.

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This is the final feat of Itachi that I'd like to get over with, as this thread has already become a wall of text!

Again, people seem to think that tactically Shikamaru has done more than Itachi, but they can't come up with a shred of evidence. In this fight Itachi teaches Kakashi about the Sharingan. IMO Kakashi got owned. Notice that in this picture Itachi is so calm, and seems to be formulating a plan.

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On the next page look at how direct, and sure Itachi's facial expression is.

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Here on the next page, Itachi absolutely trolls Kakashi. He performs a Water Style Jutsu without Kakashi even being able to see it even with the Sharingan.

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On the next page, I have to admit, even I was confused! Itachi creates a clone, before anyone can even notice it. It confused the living shit out of Kurenai.

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Even Kakashi, the man praised as an intellectual among his generation pales in comparison the Genius of Uchiha Itachi. He admits it himself. He also comments that Itachi hasn't even begun to show his true power, and proceeds to imply that he's simply toying with them.

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May I ask what Shikamaru was doing at age 7? What was Shikamaru mastering at age 8? When did Shikamaru pass the Chūnin Exams? When did Shikamaru enroll to become an Anbu Captain? When did Shikamaru ever, ever, do anything on the scale that Itachi has? When has he ever done something worthy of mention? I'll applaud him for the fact that Tobi mentioned he was a pain to fight, but apart from that, what other big time things has he achieved? Oh yeah, he hasn't done anything extremely special. Never. He wasn't doing any of that. Itachi has been shown to achieve great feats even at a young age. One thing I'd like to point out is that he became an Anbu Captain at age 13. Kakashi became a Jōnin at the age of 13, so technically Itachi was his boss U_U I'm sure we can all agree that Itachi is more intelligent than Kakashi, and already Itachi has achieved a higher rank than him, at the same age. Itachi has also owned Kakashi many times in battle.

I've analyzed the feats Itachi has achieved that I deemed worthy of being mentioned in this thread. If anyone dares to cross me then begin, list any amount of feats that Shikamaru has achieved, and none will match Itachi's. None.

IMO, Itachi beats Shikamaru in intelligence, all round too. He has come up with better tactics, and in seconds. Shikamaru would poop his pants if he saw Nagato's Chibaku Tensei, haha, believe me U_U

Thank you to all who read, please share so that the Shikamaru fanboys may be silenced.

Edit: I believe that my interpretation of intelligence derives from my deep love for Philosophy. Itachi seems to me the philosophic type, and as a result of his personality I've dubbed him the most intelligent. Some of his quotes still interest me, even today. Thanks to all who read.

shikamaru analyzes that its troublesome to become great thats why the best decision is lay around and do nothing.

now may i ask where is itachi now?
thread closed! your welcome!

The Monster · Jun 5, 2012

The 4th and shikamru,and Itachi are smartest in fight. hand down.

EL MAGNIFICO · Jun 5, 2012

I agree with BLAZE RELEASE ...how do u define intelligence ??
however, i think tobi is very smart.or lets say the smartest !!...but still minato outsmart him in a short battle ...
similary i think itachi is very skilled ...
and shikaku is smarter thn shikamaru...

kyle340 · Jun 5, 2012

id have to say minato is the smartest or or a little less then shika

minato>=shikamaru
tobi
itachi

people say itachi is smart cause he planned out sasukes future and shit but minato took it to a even farther level by predicting that tobi was gonna be a big threat in the future and put half the nine tails inside naruto thinking he would grow up and surpass him and stop tobi himself its yet to happen but looks like its about to since tobi and naruto are fighting now.

Who else could predict that 16 years from a day that a just born infant is gonna end up surpassing him and fighting the man he fought those 16 years ago. in hopes that he will defeat him.

Not only that but minato is the fastest ive seen at analyzing peoples strengths and weakness even better then itachi himself at it.

Kazekage35 · Jun 5, 2012

Itachi's genius refers to his talent, Shikamaru's is his actual intelligence. The way you use intelligent is flawed. Shikamaru has an IQ, an INTELLIGENCE QUOTIENT, of over 200... Itachi does not. This was made to measure intelligence! Itachi is smart but of those feats you listed maybe 1 or 2 was actually intelligence. The feats you listed had to do with sheer talent, and itachi is arguably one of the, if not the most, talented shinobi ever. Shikamaru has 1 jutsu (with multiple variations) and 0 taijutsu... yet he has managed to take out an immortal. I'm sure it's safe to say he displayed his intelligence when he took our Kakuzu's heart without being anywhere near him. There's a reason why he was promoted to a chuunin even though he forefitted his fight

Itachi64 · Jun 5, 2012

Orochimaru

-Logic- · Jun 5, 2012

Kazekage35 said:
Itachi's genius refers to his talent, Shikamaru's is his actual intelligence. The way you use intelligent is flawed. Shikamaru has an IQ, an INTELLIGENCE QUOTIENT, of over 200... Itachi does not. This was made to measure intelligence! Itachi is smart but of those feats you listed maybe 1 or 2 was actually intelligence. The feats you listed had to do with sheer talent, and itachi is arguably one of the, if not the most, talented shinobi ever. Shikamaru has 1 jutsu (with multiple variations) and 0 taijutsu... yet he has managed to take out an immortal. I'm sure it's safe to say he displayed his intelligence when he took our Kakuzu's heart without being anywhere near him. There's a reason why he was promoted to a chuunin even though he forefitted his fight

IQ means nothing. There are kids that have higher IQs than Einstein and they do not produce theories that change the way we view the universe. Stephen hawking said it himself that people who boast about IQ are losers. I rest my case. I've already agreed with Fizzy Drink on this matter.

KuroRai · Jun 5, 2012

You've given a whole lot of points to defend your opinion and i respect you for that. However there are several points that i'd like to disagree with. You have certain points where you talk of Itachi's facial expression or Stoicism to support your cause. I protest against these reasons. How does Itachi's facial expression when facing Kakashi stand as a mark of his intelligence? Gaara had an equally stoic facial expression when fighting Deidara but that didn't do him any good now did it? Also there are several points where you've crossed the line between Intelligence and Talent. It is my opinion that Shikamaru is more intelligent than Itachi (or at least well on par) however he lacks the raw talent that Itachi had. Itachi was born to be a powerful combat shinobi but Shikamaru and his entire clan technique specialize in a more supplementary form of battle.

laggygaga · Jun 5, 2012

As soon as I saw your avatar, I knew it was going to be biased

-Logic- · Jun 5, 2012

laggygaga said:
As soon as I saw your avatar, I knew it was going to be biased

If you're not going to produce a good comment then go away.

Monkeysageof6paths · Jun 5, 2012

sorry guys , i think you forgot about kakashi , who said himself that he had nothing to envy to shikamaru about his intelligence

Ultimatevirus · Jun 5, 2012

itachi had power along with intelligence that let him create those feats... shika is actually better than itachi in strictly intelligence .. but then again itachi has experience that favors him

keoryn · Jun 5, 2012

God Of The Uchiha said:
I've seen many threads arguing about Itachi's and Shikamaru's intelligence. I would like to clear things out once and for all so that the fanboys can be silenced. Let me start off by saying that I am indeed an Uchiha fanboy, however, I can acknowledge when any Uchiha would loose. I've admitted Itachi's defeat to several characters many a time, and with full confidence, and not out of reluctance. This will hopefully assure you that I'm not being too biased.

Let's start off with Itachi. We'll begin with some factual information:

Itachi has a 5 in intelligence, as does Shikamaru.

Itachi became an Anbu captain at the age of 13! A feat worthy of remark in a thread like this.

Kakashi became anbu and later jounin at a very early age as well, does that mean Kakashi is also smarter than Shikamaru?

Getting promoted to a higher ranking like a captain has more to do with talent than intelligence. By the way lookk back at the episode where Shikamaru killed Hidan, as soon as Kakashi entered the squad of Shikamaru he already had implemented a step by step plan on how to kill them. In that moment Kakashi praised his intelligence.

Now its important to remember that Shikamaru does not have Sharingan to analyze every single movement his opponents does like Itachi.

Itachi was born into the Uchiha clan as the eldest son of Mikoto and Fugaku Uchiha and was praised by all as the best of his generation, a genius above all others, even by the standards of the battle-adept Uchiha clan, Itachi's prowess far outshone their own. However, few could understand him. When he was only four, Itachi had already witnessed countless lives lost due to the Third Shinobi World War, which emotionally traumatised him and turned him into a pacifist. This is a brief summary of his intelligence. If you look at the parts in bold you'll notice that he was praised by many, and without a doubt already one of the most intelligent character introduced to the series.

So if someone watches other people dying and they become a pacifist, it means that person is intelligent? Dude, please clarify this because it has no sense whatsoever.

At age 7, Itachi graduated from the Academy at the top of his class after only one year, mastered the Sharingan at age 8, passed the Chūnin Exams at age 10, enrolled in ANBU half a year later and became captain by 13. I'm sure the parts in bold surprise you.

This statement contradicts itself. He graduated top of his class, He mastered the Sharingan, you think he would've graduated so fast if it wasn't because of sharingan?
Sasuke mastered the Sharingan at a very early age as well, does that mean Sasuke is smarter than Shikamaru? LOL.

When Itachi volunteered to fight Kakashi as they were coming for the Akatsuki in the early parts of the Shippuden, I'm sure he wasn't even scared. He managed to fend off Chiyo, Kakashi, Sakura and Naruto despite not having the Mangekyo Sharingan with him. Although he lost, he did his job, and if he wanted to I'm sure he could have done some serious damage.

THIS HAS ABSOLUTELY NOTHING TO DO WITH INTELLIGENCE.

One of the greatest feats that Itachi has achieved is breaking out of the Edo Tensei. Although many might argue that it was a completely lucky event and had nothing to do with intelligence. I beg to differ. If that was anyone else they would not have known what to do with KA. KA isn't, and was never supposed to be used for the Edo Tensei. The fact that Itachi, so quickly realized that he could break out of it with KA is tremendous and is also a monument to his intelligence.

Well, most of the characters in Narutoverse dont even know what KA. Since its a genjutsu from the Uchiha its been kept fairly as a secret and Itachi was one of the few to been told about it. This has more to do about the genjutsu being secretive than itachi being a ''genius''. If anyone else knew about the genjutsu they simply would have used it exactly the same way as itachi did. You dont need to be a genius to do that.

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Just look at Kabuto's poor face, and his reaction. "Uchiha Itachi... he's clearly on another level to the others!" I wonder if Kabuto had Shikamaru in his mind when he was saying this :noc:

Here we see Itachi blocking Nagato's summon, so he can create a blind spot in the Rinnegan's shared field of vision! This is insanity, I don't know whether he figured this out on the spot, or he already knew about the Rinnegan's shared field of vision, but either way, Shikamaru would never have been able to do this. Some ask why this requires intelligence, it's a physical feat, no? That may hold some truth, but without intelligence such a feat could not have been executed.

May i remind you that Itachi and Nagato worked together in Akatsuki? ALL OF THEM are aware of each other's jutsu's and abilities. Itachi knew about Nagato's technique, thats why he countered him so fast.

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One of my favourite things I like to reminisce about is the time when Itachi analyzed Nagato's Chibaku Tensei. Something I doubt Shikamaru would have been able to do, please note that me saying Shikamaru not being able to analyze Chibaku Tensei properly is just my opinion, it holds no facts. Let's explore this feat.

Like i said earlier itachi PREVIOUSLY had already known about nagato and his techniques.

Here we see Itachi noting almost instantly that is has a gravitational pull! This is ludicrous! What a genius!

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This is practically the same thing, he's analyzing it.

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Within seconds Itachi's already figured out Chibaku Tensei's weakness. What a genius! Note how he also says that you do not have to aim as it's gravitational pull will simply guide the attack. Shikamaru has nothing on this. They seem to think that tactically he's better, which is false.

Lmao. The only idiots who couldnt figure this out were Naruto and Killer Bee. Seriously you dont even need to be smart to know that almost all the attacks would be guided by the gravitational pull. You are seriously overrating itachi.

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Notice how direct, and official Itachi is. He asks the right questions, and gets the job done.

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This is the final feat of Itachi that I'd like to get over with, as this thread has already become a wall of text!

Again, people seem to think that tactically Shikamaru has done more than Itachi, but they can't come up with a shred of evidence. In this fight Itachi teaches Kakashi about the Sharingan. IMO Kakashi got owned. Notice that in this picture Itachi is so calm, and seems to be formulating a plan.

Itachi teaches Kakashi about the sharingan,,,? Dude sharingan is something related to the Uchicha's so.. what is you're point?

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On the next page look at how direct, and sure Itachi's facial expression is.

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Here on the next page, Itachi absolutely trolls Kakashi. He performs a Water Style Jutsu without Kakashi even being able to see it even with the Sharingan.

This has more to do with RAW TALENT THAN RAW INTELLIGENCE. Look up a dictionary.

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On the next page, I have to admit, even I was confused! Itachi creates a clone, before anyone can even notice it. It confused the living shit out of Kurenai.

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Even Kakashi, the man praised as an intellectual among his generation pales in comparison the Genius of Uchiha Itachi. He admits it himself. He also comments that Itachi hasn't even begun to show his true power, and proceeds to imply that he's simply toying with them.

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May I ask what Shikamaru was doing at age 7? What was Shikamaru mastering at age 8? When did Shikamaru pass the Chūnin Exams? When did Shikamaru enroll to become an Anbu Captain? When did Shikamaru ever, ever, do anything on the scale that Itachi has? When has he ever done something worthy of mention? I'll applaud him for the fact that Tobi mentioned he was a pain to fight, but apart from that, what other big time things has he achieved? Oh yeah, he hasn't done anything extremely special. Never. He wasn't doing any of that. Itachi has been shown to achieve great feats even at a young age. One thing I'd like to point out is that he became an Anbu Captain at age 13. Kakashi became a Jōnin at the age of 13, so technically Itachi was his boss U_U I'm sure we can all agree that Itachi is more intelligent than Kakashi, and already Itachi has achieved a higher rank than him, at the same age. Itachi has also owned Kakashi many times in battle.

Ok. First of all, most of the 'analyzing abilities' of itachi is solely because of his sharingan and Shikamaru's is on HIS BRAIN. He actually thinks, while itachi just uses his eye.

Shikamaru really hasnt done anything on the same feet as itachi no doubt but take into consideration the few things that he does. ( When he fought Temari in the Exams) EVERYONE PRAISED HIM, AND HE WAS INVITED TO BE A GUARDIAN OF THE KAGE. Azuma himself said Shikamaru is not a genius, he more than that but he is LAZY.

Maybe if it wasn't for his laziness he already could have accomplished feats at the same height as Itachi. But you know what? Shikamaru doesnt even care.
You also said Itachi owned Kakashi in battle, but i really dont know what it has to do with RAW INTELLIGENCE..o,o.

Have you seen itachi making a plan on how to kill kakashi? or basically anyone in general? or does he simply use his ''EYE'' to do almost everything? Let me remind you that Shikamaru does not have sharingan...

I've analyzed the feats Itachi has achieved that I deemed worthy of being mentioned in this thread. If anyone dares to cross me then begin, list any amount of feats that Shikamaru has achieved, and none will match Itachi's. None.

Yup youre right itachi's feats arent at the same level as shikamaru's. Another reminder, most of his feats are battle wise and like i said before have you actually seen itachi planning out his move against his opponent or does his sharingan do most of the work?

FOOD FOR THOUGHT.

IMO, Itachi beats Shikamaru in intelligence, all round too. He has come up with better tactics, and in seconds. Shikamaru would poop his pants if he saw Nagato's Chibaku Tensei, haha, believe me U_U

Thank you to all who read, please share so that the Shikamaru fanboys may be silenced.

Edit: I believe that my interpretation of intelligence derives from my deep love for Philosophy. Itachi seems to me the philosophic type, and as a result of his personality I've dubbed him the most intelligent. Some of his quotes still interest me, even today. Thanks to all who read.

I think that they are both incredibly intelligent, Itachi has just always had more at his disposal, and he has had an infinitely larger amount of drive than Shikamaru, who as we all know is lazy lazy lazy.

Now, a fact is that whenever Shikamaru makes a plan in battle, he always succeeds as far as the goal of the plan was. Tobi complemented Shikamaru on his intelligence, singling him out. And to the whole "Kakashi is as smart as Shikamaru" thing, I'll admit Kakashi is smart, but honestly, Naruto is the one that said that, and I wouldn't trust Naruto's judgements much at all, he's pretty biased in Kakashi's favor. For instance, I doubt anyone would say that Kakashi truly has a better sense of smell than Kiba, even though Naruto said so. So I will stick with my belief that Shikamaru is smarter than Kakashi.
In the manga kakashi said he doesnt have to be jealous about his brain and compared it to Shikamaru's but he is not saying that he is smarter or anything of that matter.
Besides in the episode where hidan fell into the hole, when shikamaru was making up the tactics, kakashi praised shikamaru. Check out that episode again and see if you really think that kakashi is smarter...

Overall, it's really hard to tell, because of the difference in their power levels. Shikamaru has made a lot out of a little because he is so weak. For him, the only way to battle is with his intelligence, because as a ninja himself he is always the less powerful one. Itachi however has the massive power levels to go with his intelligence, so we haven't seen him fight purely with his intelligence as Shikamaru does. But he's a thinker.

Shikamaru has like what? 2 techniques? and itachi has probably some of the best jutsus in narutoverse. Now look at what shikamaru has accomplished with the few things he has.
Even a idiot like naruto would have ''huge feats'' like itachi has simply because of his insane jutsus and RAW TALENT, NOT RAW INTELLIGENCE.

In my opinion, Shikamaru has more tactical intelligence. In battle, he can make the best use of what he has at his disposal, better than Itachi, because that's all he does and the only way he can hope to win. He can create the best strategies overall. However, Itachi is more intelligent philosophically. He thinks about things like feelings and what makes people do things on a psychological level. He has a drive because he has thought these things through and seems to understand what is really important. Shikamaru hasn't thought those things, and hasn't come to those conclusions, which is why he is so lazy. That shows that Itachi is a better "thinker" than Shikamaru, but I believe that Shikamaru is a better "tactician". Thoughts?

The part in bold was a post made by Fizzy Drink who changed my mind completely, you should read all of it. I agree that Itachi is more philosophical and is a better "thinker" and I actually agree that Shikamaru is a better tactician simply because he does not have the Ninjutsu pool that Itachi does. For this reason, I dub Itachi the greatest thinker of all time, and Shikamaru one of the greatest (his dad's intelligence he has yet to beat) tacticians of all time. I'd still like to know what you guys think overall. I'm still convinced that overall it's Itachi.

This is a big wall of text lol.

-Logic- · Jun 5, 2012

keoryn said:
This is a big wall of text lol.

I know ^_^ What are your opinions?

chopstickchakra · Jun 5, 2012

God Of The Uchiha said:
I've seen many threads arguing about Itachi's and Shikamaru's intelligence. I would like to clear things out once and for all so that the fanboys can be silenced. Let me start off by saying that I am indeed an Uchiha fanboy, however, I can acknowledge when any Uchiha would loose. I've admitted Itachi's defeat to several characters many a time, and with full confidence, and not out of reluctance. This will hopefully assure you that I'm not being too biased.

Let's start off with Itachi. We'll begin with some factual information:

Itachi has a 5 in intelligence, as does Shikamaru.

Itachi became an Anbu captain at the age of 13! A feat worthy of remark in a thread like this.

Itachi was born into the Uchiha clan as the eldest son of Mikoto and Fugaku Uchiha and was praised by all as the best of his generation, a genius above all others, even by the standards of the battle-adept Uchiha clan, Itachi's prowess far outshone their own. However, few could understand him. When he was only four, Itachi had already witnessed countless lives lost due to the Third Shinobi World War, which emotionally traumatised him and turned him into a pacifist. This is a brief summary of his intelligence. If you look at the parts in bold you'll notice that he was praised by many, and without a doubt already one of the most intelligent character introduced to the series.

At age 7, Itachi graduated from the Academy at the top of his class after only one year, mastered the Sharingan at age 8, passed the Chūnin Exams at age 10, enrolled in ANBU half a year later and became captain by 13. I'm sure the parts in bold surprise you.

When Itachi volunteered to fight Kakashi as they were coming for the Akatsuki in the early parts of the Shippuden, I'm sure he wasn't even scared. He managed to fend off Chiyo, Kakashi, Sakura and Naruto despite not having the Mangekyo Sharingan with him. Although he lost, he did his job, and if he wanted to I'm sure he could have done some serious damage.

One of the greatest feats that Itachi has achieved is breaking out of the Edo Tensei. Although many might argue that it was a completely lucky event and had nothing to do with intelligence. I beg to differ. If that was anyone else they would not have known what to do with KA. KA isn't, and was never supposed to be used for the Edo Tensei. The fact that Itachi, so quickly realized that he could break out of it with KA is tremendous and is also a monument to his intelligence.

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Just look at Kabuto's poor face, and his reaction. "Uchiha Itachi... he's clearly on another level to the others!" I wonder if Kabuto had Shikamaru in his mind when he was saying this :noc:

Here we see Itachi blocking Nagato's summon, so he can create a blind spot in the Rinnegan's shared field of vision! This is insanity, I don't know whether he figured this out on the spot, or he already knew about the Rinnegan's shared field of vision, but either way, Shikamaru would never have been able to do this. Some ask why this requires intelligence, it's a physical feat, no? That may hold some truth, but without intelligence such a feat could not have been executed.

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One of my favourite things I like to reminisce about is the time when Itachi analyzed Nagato's Chibaku Tensei. Something I doubt Shikamaru would have been able to do, please note that me saying Shikamaru not being able to analyze Chibaku Tensei properly is just my opinion, it holds no facts. Let's explore this feat.

Here we see Itachi noting almost instantly that is has a gravitational pull! This is ludicrous! What a genius!

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This is practically the same thing, he's analyzing it.

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Within seconds Itachi's already figured out Chibaku Tensei's weakness. What a genius! Note how he also says that you do not have to aim as it's gravitational pull will simply guide the attack. Shikamaru has nothing on this. They seem to think that tactically he's better, which is false.

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Notice how direct, and official Itachi is. He asks the right questions, and gets the job done.

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This is the final feat of Itachi that I'd like to get over with, as this thread has already become a wall of text!

Again, people seem to think that tactically Shikamaru has done more than Itachi, but they can't come up with a shred of evidence. In this fight Itachi teaches Kakashi about the Sharingan. IMO Kakashi got owned. Notice that in this picture Itachi is so calm, and seems to be formulating a plan.

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On the next page look at how direct, and sure Itachi's facial expression is.

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Here on the next page, Itachi absolutely trolls Kakashi. He performs a Water Style Jutsu without Kakashi even being able to see it even with the Sharingan.

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On the next page, I have to admit, even I was confused! Itachi creates a clone, before anyone can even notice it. It confused the living shit out of Kurenai.

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Even Kakashi, the man praised as an intellectual among his generation pales in comparison the Genius of Uchiha Itachi. He admits it himself. He also comments that Itachi hasn't even begun to show his true power, and proceeds to imply that he's simply toying with them.

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May I ask what Shikamaru was doing at age 7? What was Shikamaru mastering at age 8? When did Shikamaru pass the Chūnin Exams? When did Shikamaru enroll to become an Anbu Captain? When did Shikamaru ever, ever, do anything on the scale that Itachi has? When has he ever done something worthy of mention? I'll applaud him for the fact that Tobi mentioned he was a pain to fight, but apart from that, what other big time things has he achieved? Oh yeah, he hasn't done anything extremely special. Never. He wasn't doing any of that. Itachi has been shown to achieve great feats even at a young age. One thing I'd like to point out is that he became an Anbu Captain at age 13. Kakashi became a Jōnin at the age of 13, so technically Itachi was his boss U_U I'm sure we can all agree that Itachi is more intelligent than Kakashi, and already Itachi has achieved a higher rank than him, at the same age. Itachi has also owned Kakashi many times in battle.

I've analyzed the feats Itachi has achieved that I deemed worthy of being mentioned in this thread. If anyone dares to cross me then begin, list any amount of feats that Shikamaru has achieved, and none will match Itachi's. None.

IMO, Itachi beats Shikamaru in intelligence, all round too. He has come up with better tactics, and in seconds. Shikamaru would poop his pants if he saw Nagato's Chibaku Tensei, haha, believe me U_U

Thank you to all who read, please share so that the Shikamaru fanboys may be silenced.

Edit: I believe that my interpretation of intelligence derives from my deep love for Philosophy. Itachi seems to me the philosophic type, and as a result of his personality I've dubbed him the most intelligent. Some of his quotes still interest me, even today. Thanks to all who read.

I think that they are both incredibly intelligent, Itachi has just always had more at his disposal, and he has had an infinitely larger amount of drive than Shikamaru, who as we all know is lazy lazy lazy.

Now, a fact is that whenever Shikamaru makes a plan in battle, he always succeeds as far as the goal of the plan was. Tobi complemented Shikamaru on his intelligence, singling him out. And to the whole "Kakashi is as smart as Shikamaru" thing, I'll admit Kakashi is smart, but honestly, Naruto is the one that said that, and I wouldn't trust Naruto's judgements much at all, he's pretty biased in Kakashi's favor. For instance, I doubt anyone would say that Kakashi truly has a better sense of smell than Kiba, even though Naruto said so. So I will stick with my belief that Shikamaru is smarter than Kakashi.

Overall, it's really hard to tell, because of the difference in their power levels. Shikamaru has made a lot out of a little because he is so weak. For him, the only way to battle is with his intelligence, because as a ninja himself he is always the less powerful one. Itachi however has the massive power levels to go with his intelligence, so we haven't seen him fight purely with his intelligence as Shikamaru does. But he's a thinker.

In my opinion, Shikamaru has more tactical intelligence. In battle, he can make the best use of what he has at his disposal, better than Itachi, because that's all he does and the only way he can hope to win. He can create the best strategies overall. However, Itachi is more intelligent philosophically. He thinks about things like feelings and what makes people do things on a psychological level. He has a drive because he has thought these things through and seems to understand what is really important. Shikamaru hasn't thought those things, and hasn't come to those conclusions, which is why he is so lazy. That shows that Itachi is a better "thinker" than Shikamaru, but I believe that Shikamaru is a better "tactician". Thoughts?

The part in bold was a post made by Fizzy Drink who changed my mind completely, you should read all of it. I agree that Itachi is more philosophical and is a better "thinker" and I actually agree that Shikamaru is a better tactician simply because he does not have the Ninjutsu pool that Itachi does. For this reason, I dub Itachi the greatest thinker of all time, and Shikamaru one of the greatest (his dad's intelligence he has yet to beat) tacticians of all time. I'd still like to know what you guys think overall. I'm still convinced that overall it's Itachi.

Hate to break it to you but this post is a little biased, seeing as how much time you devoted to information about Itachi over information presented about Shikamaru.

Also a lot of your points about intelligence were more related to skill level which we all know Shikamarus' is lower because of his apathy.
Point 2- for example is more a feat of skill rather than intelligence, however beating some of the best shogi players in the village is a sign of strategical intelligence.
Point 3- while Itachi was praised in his generation Shikamaru was praised in his generation as well, that's kind of a wash point.
point 4- the academy graduation is the only thing that really speaks to intelligence.
Point 5-Irrelevant.
Point 6- Is good but i believe kabuto was referreing to the ET dolls only, not every characeter.
Point 7&8-Itachi is able to analyze opponents moves so quickly because of his sharingan, however every battle shikamaru has been involved in demonstrates his on the fly improv tactics so saying Shikamaru would be unlikely to figure it out in battle is not only erroneous it's contradictory to stated evidence.
Points 10-16- Gravitational pull is pretty obvious as they're all holding themselves down/ sharingan helps him analyze every battle scenario where as every analyzation by shikamaru is pure brain power no special trick/ A calm demeanor demonstrates nothing about intelligence level.

-Logic- · Jun 5, 2012

chopstickchakra said:
Hate to break it to you but this post is a little biased, seeing as how much time you devoted to information about Itachi over information presented about Shikamaru.

Also a lot of your points about intelligence were more related to skill level which we all know Shikamarus' is lower because of his apathy.
Point 2- for example is more a feat of skill rather than intelligence, however beating some of the best shogi players in the village is a sign of strategical intelligence.
Point 3- while Itachi was praised in his generation Shikamaru was praised in his generation as well, that's kind of a wash point.
point 4- the academy graduation is the only thing that really speaks to intelligence.
Point 5-Irrelevant.
Point 6- Is good but i believe kabuto was referreing to the ET dolls only, not every characeter.
Point 7&8-Itachi is able to analyze opponents moves so quickly because of his sharingan, however every battle shikamaru has been involved in demonstrates his on the fly improv tactics so saying Shikamaru would be unlikely to figure it out in battle is not only erroneous it's contradictory to stated evidence.
Points 10-16- Gravitational pull is pretty obvious as they're all holding themselves down/ sharingan helps him analyze every battle scenario where as every analyzation by shikamaru is pure brain power no special trick/ A calm demeanor demonstrates nothing about intelligence level.

It's got nothing to do with his Sharingan, are you serious? All the Sharingan does is this:

The first of the Sharingan's powers is being able to see the flow of chakra.
The Sharingan itself gives colour to chakra, allowing the wielder to differentiate them.
They are also able to tell if a person is under a genjutsu because the person's chakra flow would be irregular. The Sharingan's second-most prominent ability grants the user an incredible clarity of perception, allowing them to easily recognise genjutsu and different forms of chakra, though not to the same extent as the Byakugan. This also allows the user to pick up on subtle details, enabling them to read lip movements or mimic something like pencil movements.

These abilities didn't contribute heavily to his analysis of Chibaku Tensei. Sure the Sharingan may have allowed him to perceive the Chibaku Tensei slightly better than everyone else, but if you disregard that his analysis could have been done completely on his own, without the use of the Sharingan.

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