The Most Downplayed Ninja on NB

[Dantee]

O I seem to have missed something. Shikamaru threatens Uchiha fans in what way exactly?

 

[Bad Touch Yakushi]

O I seem to have missed something. Shikamaru threatens Uchiha fans in what way exactly?

Some Itachi/Sasuke fans when it comes to discussing intelligence threads & character development.

 

[Char Aznable]

Kabuto

Konan

Karin

Zabuza

Tobirama

Mei

Danzo

 

[Dantee]

Some Itachi/Sasuke fans when it comes to discussing intelligence threads & character development.

Shikamaru intelligence. Well he is smarter than most but He doesnt do well against other geniuses in actual combat. He is better at a commander position than small actual battles. His IQ is outstanding but it doesn't entirely make up for what he might lack in experience.

Character Development.

What is there to say about the lazy guy who actually decided to do something in his life?

 

[Bad Touch Yakushi]

Shikamaru intelligence. Well he is smarter than most but He doesnt do well against other geniuses in actual combat. He is better at a commander position than small actual battles. His IQ is outstanding but it doesn't entirely make up for what he might lack in experience.

Yeah see that's a fair, sensible deduction you made there- i've seen tens of fans not even give him that and completely count him out in those two fields, not giving him his due because they want to talk about their fav instead- might be a bit too into it I always think.

What is there to say about the lazy guy who actually decided to do something in his life?

I'd say a lot actually when he's experienced his own take on the revenge-seeking theme like Naruto and Sasuke, had an entire arc devoted to him and has been shown to naturally grow into his father step by step. If he just timeskipped into doing something with his life then it wouldn't be anything radical but we see every step of it on the way.

From being the only kid whose parent didn't push him away from Naruto to sacrificing himself in the Konoha Assault, almost letting his friends die (learning true consequences) to Asuma to 'Will of Fire' movie (relevant character development) 3 to the war to his father to his Tsuki dream becoming the exact opposite of his future reality (and yet he loves his family and where he is) to Mirai and Temari to how he feels about Naruto in the Hiden novel to his small but brotherly words in 'The Last' and 'Boruto'.

He gets a surprising amount of panel time devoted to just the emotions he's going through and how he treats others. It's great and amazes me how Kishi A.) didn't give more of this treatment to more of his protags B.) Was capable of writing Sakura Haruno's 'arc'

 

[Frois]

Some of your list I can agree with, but Tsunade and Sakura are better off as medics than solely placed in fights. I especially love when fans of them try to overhype their regenerative abilities and make it seem as if they are immortal. One of my favorite particular instances when it comes to match ups I have argued is Tsunade Vs Gaara. Sure, she can try to get near him, but what she going to do? Keep punching through his sand walls and hope to make it through? What if he simply floats up in the sky, out of reach? She's going to jump 50 feet? It is very similar to a lot of the other ninja she is pitted against. Most have long ranged techniques that will outlast these two, and being close combat fighters only makes it harder for them to wade through techniques. Regeneration can only get you so far, but if the opponent is smart enough and keeps their distance, they will be able to wear the jutsu out.

 

[Conspirator.]

I vehemently disagree with a sizable chunk of this thread. Hashirama isn't downplayed, in fact I think it's commonly accepted that he's the most powerful ninja without handouts and not from the Otsutsuki family. Tsunade and Sakura are not downplayed either, yes some people hate on them but a lot of people also grossly overrate their combat abilities. As for Shikamaru, his incredibly high IQ is not downplayed, but the reason why he isn't talked about as much as others is because his combat abilities without prep are not the best compared to the upper echelons in the manga, and the bedrock of this manga are the fights which facilitate character development through them. Although, I do think Onoki is a bit underrated so that was a good choice on your list.

 

[Bad Touch Yakushi]

Some of your list I can agree with, but Tsunade and Sakura are better off as medics than solely placed in fights. I especially love when fans of them try to overhype their regenerative abilities and make it seem as if they are immortal. One of my favorite particular instances when it comes to match ups I have argued is Tsunade Vs Gaara. Sure, she can try to get near him, but what she going to do? Keep punching through his sand walls and hope to make it through? What if he simply floats up in the sky, out of reach? She's going to jump 50 feet? It is very similar to a lot of the other ninja she is pitted against. Most have long ranged techniques that will outlast these two, and being close combat fighters only makes it harder for them to wade through techniques. Regeneration can only get you so far, but if the opponent is smart enough and keeps their distance, they will be able to wear the jutsu out.

I don't just mean in sheer power in this thread. Downplayed in every regard be it how much skill and intelligence it takes to be a viable medical ninja. How quickly Sakura caught up to a Sannin power level. Character development etc.

 

[WalksInShadows]

so what you're saying is that Uchiha fans conspire to downplay those 5 characters when 4 of the ones you mentioned have already canonically lost to an Uchiha.

 

[Bad Touch Yakushi]

so what you're saying is that Uchiha fans conspire to downplay those 5 characters when 4 of the ones you mentioned have already canonically lost to an Uchiha.

Nope, that when discussing say- battle tactics or character depth or even say something as little as design where a character might obviously be in their element might be hushed or downplayed ona topic because people prefer to talk about their favourites.

 

[WalksInShadows]

Nope, that when discussing say- battle tactics or character depth or even say something as little as design where a character might obviously be in their element might be hushed or downplayed ona topic because people prefer to talk about their favourites.

as opposed to what though? Faulting popular characters for support characters' shortcomings?

 

[Bad Touch Yakushi]

as opposed to what though? Faulting popular characters for support characters' shortcomings?

Example:

THREAD: Top 5 Smartest Ninja

You can talk about battle tactics, IQ, strategy or research/intel. The Nara clan fits the bill on all of those. Instead in there are say....Sasuke, Itachi, Hiruzen, Tobirama and Oro.

There's different kind of intelligence sure, but it's plan ignorant to ignore the Nara clan when the Uchiha fans in the thread wouldn't be able to talk about their favs if Shika/Shikaku were in the list where they belong you get me?

As a result this character gets underplayed. Not talking about 1v1 matchups or sheer power necessarily as I keep saying in this thread- I should've made that clearer in the OP.

 

[WalksInShadows]

Example:

THREAD: Top 5 Smartest Ninja

You can talk about battle tactics, IQ, strategy or research/intel. The Nara clan fits the bill on all of those. Instead in there are say....Sasuke, Itachi, Hiruzen, Tobirama and Oro.

and there are justifiable holes with the argument that the Nara are clearly Top 5 in all of those departments:

1. There wouldn't have been a lot of instances where Konoha took catastrophic losses in a battle, invasion, or war. I don't recall any instance where a single Nara was seen making major differences in any of those situations.

2. There were at least 3 times where Shikamaru had no idea what to do, and all of them were situations in which he had to adapt to being an a situation he didn't see himself being in.

3. Shikamaru and Shikaku made a habit out of being dependent on Naruto to defeat somebody in the last war. Matter of fact, there was a Nara in Kakashi's division in the last war, and all he did was take orders from Kakashi.

There's different kind of intelligence sure, but it's plan ignorant to ignore the Nara clan when the Uchiha fans in the thread wouldn't be able to talk about their favs if Shika/Shikaku were in the list where they belong you get me?

it's not really ignorant when the Nara have shown next to no ability in adapting to being in an undesirable situation.

 

[Bad Touch Yakushi]

it's not really ignorant when the Nara have shown next to no ability in adapting to being in an undesirable situation.

Well, they have.

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To name a couple off the top of my head. (Also every chapter in micro-exchanges during the Hidan/Kakazu battle & even more in the anime.)

They simply don't get caught in them very often due to them thinking out every single possible scenario ahead of time. Shikamaru's plans failed a lot in the Kakazu/Hidan battle and had to adapt on the spot to new abilities and other plans falling through. He would just apply to his C, D, E, F or G plans.

You think Shikaku added nothing to the most important spot in the Ninja Alliance Prep? Then why were they Obito's first priority to remove?

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Even the newly introduced Shikadai's had to use quick thinking to react to an undesirable unexpected situation. He was the only who kept his team from failing the first round of the Chunnin exams.

Shikamaru's quick thinking and organisation was the only thing that kept the alliance alive when the 10 Tails was rampaging before the Kage appeared. I can name other instances but there's not much point. The fact that you're downplaying Shikamaru in intelligence when he has a canon IQ of 200 is proof enough that he deserves the #1 spot on this thread.

 

[WalksInShadows]

You think Shikaku added nothing to the most important spot in the Ninja Alliance Prep? Then why were they Obito's first priority to remove?

and the story portrayed their understanding of fighting a war was vastly inferior to Madara's. What's your point? The Nara must intellectually be that big a deal because Obito was sweating their intellect? The guy who made a habit out of panicking at the first sign of trouble? That's your barometer?

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Even the newly introduced Shikadai's had to use quick thinking to react to an undesirable unexpected situation. He was the only who kept his team from failing the first round of the Chunnin exams.

you're definitely wrong, because Shinki saved his team from being bounced as well. It's not really something to hand out a cookie over when somebody with a significantly lower IQ accomplished the same thing.

Shikamaru's quick thinking and organisation was the only thing that kept the alliance alive when the 10 Tails was rampaging before the Kage appeared. I can name other instances but there's not much point. The fact that you're downplaying Shikamaru in intelligence when he has a canon IQ of 200 is proof enough that he deserves the #1 spot on this thread.

if i'm downplaying Shikamaru as much as you say i am, then there wouldn't be at least 2 panels in the whole story where he can't be seen having no idea what to do to change the situation. If i'm downplaying Shikamaru, you're definitely overplaying him.

 

[UnknownJin]

Kabuto

Konan

Karin

Zabuza

Tobirama

Mei

Danzo

Zabuza

 

[Bad Touch Yakushi]

and the story portrayed their understanding of fighting a war was vastly inferior to Madara's. What's your point? The Nara must intellectually be that big a deal because Obito was sweating their intellect? The guy who made a habit out of panicking at the first sign of trouble? That's your barometer?

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you're definitely wrong, because Shinki saved his team from being bounced as well. It's not really something to hand out a cookie over when somebody with a significantly lower IQ accomplished the same thing.

if i'm downplaying Shikamaru as much as you say i am, then there wouldn't be at least 2 panels in the whole story where he can't be seen having no idea what to do to change the situation. If i'm downplaying Shikamaru, you're definitely overplaying him.

Every back-up plan he's ever done has been 'in unfavourable situations'....

I wasn't involving Madara I was talking about Sasuke/Itachi fans conveniently forgetting his canonical IQ.

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Panicking? You understand that that's out of character for him right? 'Madara Uchiha' appeared out of nowhere and dropped the Gedo Mazu on top of them. I think a sweatdrop is fine.

+2 panels? Mate I named like 6 off the top of my head, one of which kept the entire shinobi alliance alive against the 10 TAILS.

+Also you know as well as I do that Shinki can literally fly and therefore doesn't need real resourcefulness to stop falling.

About the overplaying also, on this forum- he needs all the backup he can get haha

 

[SIR UZMAKIMADARA]

Lol take shikamaru outta there

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