the meaning of "kafir"

[nefraiko]

I just want to give you some information that even some muslims don't know.

kafir comes from the verb "kafar" which means "to cover", and the "kuffars" are the ones who cover, hide something.

islam says that the presence of god is so obvious, that everyone believes in it, you just have to look at yourself to know that your life is not the result of chance, and that everything around you is guiding you to god.

in islam, every person who says that god does not exist or that he is not one is trying with all his strengh to "cover" what can not be covered, he tries even to hide it from himself.

 

[LustyLover]

What a load of crap.

 

[Dark Sonic]

I heard about Arabic words having more than one meaning. That makes sense about covering.

By the way, this is going to lead to another Islamic debate one way or another.

 

[Mari Makinami]

That's cool bro.

 

[nefraiko]

I heard about Arabic words having more than one meaning. That makes sense about covering.

By the way, this is going to lead to another Islamic debate one way or another.

no no no no I just posted that because you live with muslims and I wanted to give some informations, if this turns into another debate thread then I would like the moderators to delete it

 

[Dark Sonic]

no no no no I just posted that because you live with muslims and I wanted to give some informations, if this turns into another debate thread then I would like the moderators to delete it

I know you want to share this info I just want you to know that it will lead to other things. But yeah, if it does, let's hope the mods prevent it.

 

[Gerkak]

That might be the origin of the word but that isn't what it means in the Quran to my knowledge.. The Arabic used in the Quran is different from the normal Arabic.

Kafir means unbeliever.

But hey this is just my interpretation, muslims and others are free to disagree with me

 

[TenseiganFTW]

That might be the origin of the word but that isn't what it means in the Quran to my knowledge.. The Arabic used in the Quran is different from than normal Arabic.

Kafir means unbeliever.

But hey this is just my interpretation, muslims and others are free to disagree with me

Kafir-Unbeliever
Kufr-Cover

 

[Beifong]

well, what have been said in this thread is bullshit.. the word Kafir has nothing to do with covering at any way even the base of both words disbeliever and cover in arabic are not similar at all.

 

[that guy over there]

afrikaans people(white) in South Africa us it as a derogatory towards black people,the equivalent of the N word if you will

 

[nefraiko]

well, what have been said in this thread is bullshit.. the word Kafir has nothing to do with covering at any way even the base of both words disbeliever and cover in arabic are not similar at all.

yes go ahead and teach me arabic, kafara means he covered something, and in islam it means that he covers the gifts of god on him, begining with his life, money, and children, he covers the fact that all this is given by god, he also tries to hide the existence of god, all of this by non believing

 

[ArabianLuffy]

I just searched the word "كفر" and one of its meanings is cover a thing.

I read here and there that Arabic existed before English.

 

[nefraiko]

That might be the origin of the word but that isn't what it means in the Quran to my knowledge.. The Arabic used in the Quran is different from the normal Arabic.

Kafir means unbeliever.

But hey this is just my interpretation, muslims and others are free to disagree with me

yes I agree it means unbeliever, but it has a more meaning that's what I wanted to say. sure the person doesn't believe and by doing that he tries to cover what in islam is said to be obvious to every creature.

for example, we say that satan is a kafir, well satan DOES believe in god, he has talked to him, but now he is a kafir because he tries to cover the existence of god and to get the maximum people to follow him (islam point of view)

also the arabs who were against the prophet actually believed in god, but they were saying that he had children, they didn't want to believe only because islam was bad for business, so they tried to cover it, hide it (wars, killing, oppression, rumors...)

 

[Pumpkin Ninja]

Man, the Arabic of the Quran is confusing.

 

[nefraiko]

Man, the Arabic of the Quran is confusing.

arabic is a complicated laguage I agree haha. Well, the only thing that arabs were really proud of was their language, it was common to see poem battles, where you insult the opponent with elegance hhhh

they didn't have science, nothing, only their sophisticated language. they were even classifying the people in two : "al arabiy" the one who talks arabic fluently, and "al ajamiy" the one who can't

god took their pride, the arabic language, and delivered the Quran, he told them to make an equivalent piece, they couldn't, he told them then to shut up and follow

 

[Ludicrous]

Just wanted to state he's right. I don't understand why people get defensive over this. Every religion knows they've got some vocabulary that isn't kid friendly. At least in this case it has some deeper meaning.
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[Dark Sonic]

arabic is a complicated laguage I agree haha. Well, the only thing that arabs were really proud of was their language, it was common to see poem battles, where you insult the opponent with elegance hhhh

they didn't have science, nothing, only their sophisticated language. they were even classifying the people in two : "al arabiy" the one who talks arabic fluently, and "al ajamiy" the one who can't

god took their pride, the arabic language, and delivered the Quran, he told them to make an equivalent piece, they couldn't, he told them then to shut up and follow

Modern Arabic uses Strike for إضراب It leads to confusion and wrong interpretation

 

[Avani]

I just want to give you some information that even some muslims don't know.

kafir comes from the verb "kafar" which means "to cover", and the "kuffars" are the ones who cover, hide something.

islam says that the presence of god is so obvious, that everyone believes in it, you just have to look at yourself to know that your life is not the result of chance, and that everything around you is guiding you to god.

in islam, every person who says that god does not exist or that he is not one is trying with all his strengh to "cover" what can not be covered, he tries even to hide it from himself.

I have also been told that literal meaning of the word 'Negro' is 'black' and thus it's not a 'racist' term at all. Words originate from some place. Their very first meanings are more often than not, harmless. Then the negativity gets associated with the word because the uses, behaviour and attitude towards people who are in that group, and their social status.

In this case, the concept that people who do not agree with your belief are hiding from the "truth" is your version. Others may think the same for you and that thus the conflicts start. And if a group of people look down upon others or treat them as secondary citizen it deepens the conflict. And so on...

I know you want to share this info I just want you to know that it will lead to other things. But yeah, if it does, let's hope the mods prevent it.

This^.

The second meaning -" non believer" is simpler and less likely to start argument with others who don't agree with your view on your religion, than telling them that they are hiding or covering something.

So exactly what is your point in bringing this up?

 

[nefraiko]

So exactly what is your point in bringing this up?

my point is that I find the translation that is usually made for the word "kafir" is non believer (I'm okay with this one), but also in many times : infidel -> I hate this one, it is a dumb translation that makes islam look like some primitive dumb sect, and more importantly, it makes arabic look like some primitive language.

you can disagree with islam but I think it's not cool to think of it as some stupid sect, every word in the qu'ran has deep meanings and needs to be studied seriously, for example you can't call christians and jews "kouffars" as they are to be called "people of the book", the kafir is the one who believes and denies for multiple reasons.

another reason why I posted this is that, like I already said, you live with muslims, I wanted to give you some extra information about islam and about the word that extremists keep on saying without even knowing the true meaning of it, and I think that every information that crosses the mind is beneficial.

but like I said also, if this thread is out of place then don't hesitate and supress it, thank you