[Debate] The Matrix | The Sickness Of Humanity

[Waindo]

So, do you know what The Matrix is? I'm not talking about “The Matrix” as one of the best, highly conscious trilogies, but what The Matrix stands for and tries to describe?

Let me ask you this, why do you want a job?

So you can earn money, right? Why do you need money?

You need it for buying things you do not really need, for buying necessities like food, water, shelter… You need those things for survival. And of course, here come the taxes. So, what else do you need? You need to get a job.
To get a job you need to study, you need to build your resume, you need to buy more pointless things to help you succeed through this process.

This colossal money-making-machine is The Matrix. Everything and everyone who tells you that you NEED to do something is a part of this Matrix. And, The Matrix is what keeps society so organized, all people working towards a mutual goal…...

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...But, what goal is that?

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• Is it, survival? We're more evolved than that aren’t we? I mean we must be in order to create a system to sustain us all, like The Matrix.

• So what than, money? Oh come on! We're smarter than that, right? We know that money cannot be the end goal in reality it's only paper.

• Hmmm, buying? Getting more insignificant things we don't really need? Is this our purpose? Really??

• Could it be power? Aren't we all working together all while secretly competing with each other? Are we on a quest to acquiring wealth just so we can rise above everyone else, just so we can control more things shaping the world like we want to?

• Freedom?

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WHAT IS IT THAT WE ALL WORK FOR?

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Is it a mixture of all of these things? Or is it because nobody taught us any better?

Are we really here, on this beautiful planet, circling around a bright star, in the midst of the milky way, surrounded by more than 100 billion galaxies in an ever expanding universe to work for money? So we can buy products that most likely poison us?

Naahh, something is not right here.

It can't be. It defies all logic.

Is the idea to work for mutual growth, evolution and expansion and the need of money, so there's a mutual value of our energy spent? Isn’t that what money represents, value?

Taking what we do to Nature and even to ourselves we have became a disease, a virus to the human spirit.

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But guys! We don't have to be the virus!

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All we should be is aware.

We have a choice to choose our own path, our own free will. We don’t have to be a disease!

You know there aren't only bad bacteria. There are bacteria that help sustain life. Maybe it’s time to create a new system which benefits all life.

And yes, we do spread, but maybe we need to spread. Maybe, if we cure the sickness in the human spirit, The Universe can kinda benefit from us around. Maybe we can make it a brighter place.

What do you think?​

 

[Gerkak]

Interesting.

 

[System001]

It's all for power. You can't opt out of the game for power even if you try to - for by doing so you are, whether you like it or not, participating in the game of power.
Just think about it.

 

[Cunning Linguist]

How many hours in the day do you spend creating these bombastic posts? Jesus man. You weren't supposed to actually take Tyler Durden's philosophy seriously

 

[Yubel]

You either build your dream or help someone else build their dream.

 

[Ciao]

You either build your dream or help someone else build their dream.

this.
you're either making money or making money for someone else.

 

[Waindo]

How many hours in the day do you spend creating these bombastic posts? Jesus man. You weren't supposed to actually take Tyler Durden's philosophy seriously

I have spent 43 minutes in creating this thread. Is your heart at peace now when you know the exact timeframe?
Tyler Durden?
Googled him. Fight Club, I recall watching it when it came out, all though I most probably could not grasp the message given then, as a 9y old kid, but subconsciously it probably had some influence on my perspective.

 

[DominiqueX]

Are we really here, on this beautiful planet, circling around a bright star, in the midst of the milky way, surrounded by more than 100 billion galaxies in an ever expanding universe to work for money? So we can buy products that most likely poison us?

While reading this, I got wet eyes. It's just so true.
We live on this beautiful planet, with wonderful places and species. And all we do is destroying this planet while living in modern slavery. Yes, we all live in slavery. We may have better conditions today, but the core-concept is still the same.
We can't do what we want, that's a fact. We are unbelievably dependent on concepts like "money" while there are people who claim power to rule about other people.

Even if I wanted to live how I wish, I just can't. Any piece of this planet is unfairly claimed by someone, but the entire planet should be free for all. Anyone should be able to go wherever, whenever he/she wants to. Anyone should be able to live a life how he/she wants to live. Example:
If I want to travel the world, I should be able to. Without others interfering, without needing money, without working. Just me and my feet.

The funny thing is:
We all work. Work a lot. It's common to work at least 8 hours a day, collecting money for a life that we can't live, cause we are working so much. After work, we go home, have to care about daily things like doing the household, cooking.. and then there are maybe 2-3 hours of "free-time" before we have to go to sleep, in order to repeat everything. Over and over again. That's not what we should do with our life. We should explore the world with our own eyes, doing only things that bring us joy. We only have one, short, lifetime, why do we have to waste it with things we don't want/like?

I can't express how dissatisfied I feel about how the world works nowadays. And there is nothing that I can do about it, nothing that I can change. And that's why I don't go out often, why I live a secluded life. That's exactly why I flee myself into anime/manga and other artificial stuff. To forget what the world, what life, sadly really is.

 

[Scooby Doo]

While reading this, I got wet eyes. It's just so true.
We live on this beautiful planet, with wonderful places and species. And all we do is destroying this planet while living in modern slavery. Yes, we all live in slavery. We may have better conditions today, but the core-concept is still the same.
We can't do what we want, that's a fact. We are unbelievably dependent on concepts like "money" while there are people who claim power to rule about other people.

Even if I wanted to live how I wish, I just can't. Any piece of this planet is unfairly claimed by someone, but the entire planet should be free for all. Anyone should be able to go wherever, whenever he/she wants to. Anyone should be able to live a life how he/she wants to live. Example:
If I want to travel the world, I should be able to. Without others interfering, without needing money, without working. Just me and my feet.

The funny thing is:
We all work. Work a lot. It's common to work at least 8 hours a day, collecting money for a life that we can't live, cause we are working so much. After work, we go home, have to care about daily things like doing the household, cooking.. and then there are maybe 2-3 hours of "free-time" before we have to go to sleep, in order to repeat everything. Over and over again. That's not what we should do with our life. We should explore the world with our own eyes, doing only things that bring us joy. We only have one, short, lifetime, why do we have to waste it with things we don't want/like?

I can't express how dissatisfied I feel about how the world works nowadays. And there is nothing that I can do about it, nothing that I can change. And that's why I don't go out often, why I live a secluded life. That's exactly why I flee myself into anime/manga and other artificial stuff. To forget what the world, what life, sadly really is.

While I have no intention of belittling your feelings about this, but what makes you think that the world granted you existence only so that you can do whatever you want? And at least you should have added 'as long as it harms noone else'.

Instead of complaining how the world doesn't put free food in your mouth, you should start thinking about what you can do to make the world a better place, what you can do for others. Change starts within yourself. You know, Caesar, Jesus, Newton, Steve Jobs all had 24 hrs a day. It's just not true that nothing can change, especially as you admit that the world's living standards are still somewhat improved.

And why do you think 8 hrs work a day are a lot? Back then people used to work 12-16 hrs or more, and even today in poor countries, or even in developed countries, people work that much only for 1 dollar/hour or less.Because, you know, farmers do have to get up early to milk the cow and till the fields. You want to discover nature, but nature doesn't wait for you to get up and earn your food.

While nature is beautiful, altogeher it's a neutral place. And sometimes it's cruel. The stars in the sky you're watching, are images, created by the light that had traveled millions of years to reach us, when in fact the star itself is already dead. The lion cubs you admire for being cute, are killed by the alpha males who takes control over the group.

 

[DominiqueX]

at least you should have added 'as long as it harms noone else'.

That is obvious, which is why I didn't mentioned it. Anyone who can use a brain knows this.

you should start thinking about what you can do to make the world a better place, what you can do for others.

I do make it a better place by supporting my friends, being kind and friendly towards others, caring for the environment. That's enough.

Change starts within yourself. You know, Caesar, Jesus, Newton, Steve Jobs all had 24 hrs a day. It's just not true that nothing can change, especially as you admit that the world's living standards are still somewhat improved.

No, I can't change shit. The people who really changed the world are a few exceptions. And even with all this change, the humans and the concept of society are still the same at root. After 200.000 years, people still kill each other, rob each other and start conflicts for no reason. Call me naive or stupid, but I would only be satisfied if these things no longer exist.
There is no reason to try changing something if the result isn't worth it. I may be selfish, but then I rather spend my energy in living in my bubble.

And why do you think 8 hrs work a day are a lot? Back then people used to work 12-16 hrs or more, and even today in poor countries, or even in developed countries, people work that much only for 1 dollar/hour or less.Because, you know, farmers do have to get up early to milk the cow and till the fields. You want to discover nature, but nature doesn't wait for you to get up and earn your food.

Where did I say that 8 hours of work are the worst? I only said that it is common. Of course there are people who have it a lot worse, I know that. Doesn't make the system itself any better.

 

[Scooby Doo]

That is obvious, which is why I didn't mentioned it. Anyone who can use a brain knows this.

Using my brain -which, in an atheist worldview, is just a product of evolution and natural selection, a neutral process-, I could just conclude that harming others is my way of surviving. I steal and rob because I don't want to work 8 hrs a day, because I just want to enjoy things like you. How does that sound?

I do make it a better place by supporting my friends, being kind and friendly towards others, caring for the environment. That's enough.

Good to hear, but then why are you saying that you can't change anything? Now you say you do make it a better place. So apparently you change it.

Where did I say that 8 hours of work are the worst? I only said that it is common. Of course there are people who have it a lot worse, I know that. Doesn't make the system itself any better.

Where did I say that you said that's the worst?

 

[YowYan]

You either build your dream or help someone else build their dream.

Making money is no ones dream. That is part of the 'Artificial intelligence' we get programmed with throughout our years in school. Oh woopdiedoo I've always dreamed of opening my own accountant office!..

 

[DominiqueX]

Using my brain -which, in an atheist worldview, is just a product of evolution and natural selection, a neutral process-, I could just conclude that harming others is my way of surviving. I steal and rob because I don't want to work 8 hrs a day, because I just want to enjoy things like you. How does that sound?

Okay, so people who don't believe in a god are atheists who have no morality. I see.

Good to hear, but then why are you saying that you can't change anything? Now you say you do make it a better place. So apparently you change it.

Okay, I should've been more precise.
This "change" is not enough to make the world a better place.

Where did I say that you said that's the worst?

Fine then

 

[Waindo]

You want to discover nature, but nature doesn't wait for you to get up and earn your food.

Wow. Read this out loud to yourself. So basically you sound perfectly okay with the planet being privatised and owned by a small number of corporations. Wow.

While nature is beautiful, alltogeher it's a neutral place.

Wow.

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[Scooby Doo]

Okay, so people who don't believe in a god are atheists who have no morality. I see.

I didn't say that. I'm asking you how do you explain on a naturalistic worldview that it's bad to steal if it makes my life more enjoyable? After all, you said that this life is about doing things that bring us joy.

Okay, I should've been more precise.
This "change" is not enough to make the world a better place.

I get it now, thanks for clearing it. But don't underestimate your own significance.

Fine then

Ok ._.

 

[Scooby Doo]

Wow. Read this out loud to yourself. So basically you sound perfectly okay with the planet being privatised and owned by a small number of corporations. Wow.

Wow at your ignorance too. Earning something doesn't only mean that you are owned by a corporation. F.e earning someone's trust has nothing to do with money.

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2 to get something that you ​deserve

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So, yes, you do have to deserve your food, you do have to do something. Noone will put food in your mouth.

Wow.

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You saying 'wow' and then posting a picture is not an argument so there is nothing to discuss here.

 

[Yubel]

Making money is no ones dream. That is part of the 'Artificial intelligence' we get programmed with throughout our years in school. Oh woopdiedoo I've always dreamed of opening my own accountant office!..

I don't dream of opening my own accountant office though there is nothing wrong with it if someone really wants to do that. I'm not interested in money itself but what it can do for me. However, it's my goal to make a shitton of money, atleast 7 figures. Once I do that I have something else I want to do but it's not worth mentioning at this point.

 

[YowYan]

I don't dream of opening my own accountant office though there is nothing wrong with it if someone really wants to do that. I'm not interested in money itself but what it can do for me. However, it's my goal to make a shitton of money, atleast 7 figures. Once I do that I have something else I want to do but it's not worth mentioning at this point.

Still thinking like a slave. Which is understable though, there is no way out other than to buy your freedom.

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[Yubel]

Still thinking like a slave. Which is understable though, there is no way out other than to buy your freedom.

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Hahahahaha, tell me about how being broke makes you happy.

Btw the guy you're quoting had a net worth of $130 million.

The only slave here is you, freedom is a state of mind.

 

[Waindo]

Bob Marley didn't give a fck about his net worth, and when he had no dine he was a very rich man. Don't measure man's richness by his net worth, measure it by his heart worth.