The main reason Izanami is the worst thing in this manga

[DeadManWonderLand]

How so? I can personally think of much more interesting ways. It's clear Kishi could not figure out a way to defeat his own villain and wanted to get back to his other 2 battles.

(Also WHAT is that signature, where is it from it looks awesome )

He did figure a way to beat kabuto while at the same time reinforcing the themes of the story and giving us a reflection on the character that sasuke is and the path he has tread.

Its called izanami.

Stop *****ing.
You don't like how the story turned out.Big whoop,go cry somewhere else.

 

[Bad Touch Yakushi]

Hidden Sound as won me over on this; I no longer care whether or not it's a jutsu devised just to bring down Kabuto. It's giving Kabuto closure and allowing him to be himself, through mental trauma of course...

I don't really care about Kabuto, plus it's an awkward way to leave his character.

A more suitable way I feel would've him being pushed into a desperate spot, physically and emotionally coming undone Azula-LastAirbender-Style. He in a rage summons his remaining edo tensei. Itachi then does SOMETHING. (That's Kishi's part, maybe just making Kabuto low on chakra or a minor jutsu) which weakens Edo Tensei so much that his remaining pawns turn against what's left of Kabuto and defeat him, cornering him. A tiny snake crawls out of Kabuto and tries to escape and Sasuke steps on it. Itachi starts to become undone as the edo tensei finishes so Sasuke is forced to let him go and focus on his brother, to get the answers he seeks. Kabuto escapes the cave with no jutsu, no powers and walks off, exactly the way as he started.

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In the epilogue he finds his friend or the orphanage he grew up in.

I came up with that in like 5 minutes, I personally prefer it but...I dunno Izanami and it's just general role in the story really do get to me. I would've preferred any ending other than this humiliation of Kabuto, not because he got defeated- but because it was a jutsu we've never seen before, will never see again and is so needlessly specific and complex that it requires diagrams and models in a teens Shonen fight manga.

Also @DeadmanWonderland, that's great man. It's just a discussion, nobodies whining and you're the only one getting personal.

 

[DeadManWonderLand]

I don't really care about Kabuto, plus it's an awkward way to leave his character.

A more suitable way I feel would've him being pushed into a desperate spot, physically and emotionally coming undone Azula-LastAirbender-Style. He in a rage summons his remaining edo tensei. Itachi then does SOMETHING. (That's Kishi's part, maybe just making Kabuto low on chakra or a minor jutsu) which weakens Edo Tensei so much that his remaining pawns turn against what's left of Kabuto and defeat him, cornering him. A tiny snake crawls out of Kabuto and tries to escape and Sasuke steps on it. Itachi starts to become undone as the edo tensei finishes so Sasuke is forced to let him go and focus on his brother, to get the answers he seeks. Kabuto escapes the cave with no jutsu, no powers and walks off, exactly the way as he started.

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In the epilogue he finds his friend or the orphanage he grew up in.

1.
Your outcome for kabuto is essentially the same instead of him figuring out he needs to be himself you kind of just have him have that realization for no reason. Which is retarded ---See what i did there ? I am pulling a you.

2.
Why did edo tensei being released ?
Did someone somehow get him to do the hand seals ?
How genjustu wouldn't work on kabuto at that point.

3.
Why is he low on chakra did juugos dna that allows him to gather nature energy while moving around suddenly stop working ?

4. How did sasuke grab him and force him still ?

Can he no longer shed/liquify his body ?

So many things wrong with this.


Oh wait !!

This never happened.....thank the gods.

 

[Bad Touch Yakushi]

1.
Your outcome for kabuto is essentially the same instead of him figuring out he needs to be himself you kind of just have him have that realization for no reason. Which is retarded ---See what i did there ? I am pulling a you.

2.
Why did edo tensei being released ?

Because in this hypothetical situation, Kabuto has lost his chakra. Whether it's been eaten by the Orochimaru parasite within him, or he has just exhausted himself being someone who doesn't know how to wield this much power within him. It could easily work.

How genjustu wouldn't work on kabuto at that point.

....What? who says it has to be genjutsu. This is a shivering, uncoordinated mess of what's left of Kabuto at the end of the fight. It's a common trope and a good one too.

4. How did sasuke grab him and force him still ?

He's not in his original body at this point, he is just one escaping snake with no chakra left.

So many things wrong with this.


Oh wait !!

This never happened.....thank the gods.

If you actually gave it a chance and weren't being such a critical douchebag for some random outcome I made up that works better for the character than some cheap deus ex machina "beat kabuto no jutsu" does.

Why are you being such a d*ck? Really. It's just a discussion, I came up with this in like 5 minutes, Kishi could alter anything he liked to make this very possible ending come into fruition. Unless it's sensible or less rude at least, don't post on this thread again. I won't read it.

 

[Takos]

have kakashi beat obito

I see some people are still annoyed over that which was destined to happen ever since we learned about Tobi's identity. U_U

A jutsu not being as simple just adds to its depth and the depth of the fight it was used in. There's nothing wrong with Izanami.

 

[Bad Touch Yakushi]

I see some people are still annoyed over that which was destined to happen ever since we learned about Tobi's identity. U_U

A jutsu not being as simple just adds to its depth and the depth of the fight it was used in. There's nothing wrong with Izanami.

I personally didn't like it because I think it's quite bewildering and playing it safe that Kakashi didn't get killed in this arc. I like Kakashi and it's not the fact I think he's weaker than Obito (although he probably is idk) it's the fact that his character in my opinion would've been remembered instead of awkwardly being kept around.

And no Izanami was just a complicated little thing at the end of the fight to try and smooth-talk his way round a deus ex machina and you that's not even an opinion, you have to be blind to not see that.

 

[-ahhimane-]

Kishi never draws rubbish.
And we have seen it by witnessing the last chapter of 655. Because the footsteps of the SA was shown in 573 as well.
So Izanami or Izanagi will be cast once again.

 

[Bad Touch Yakushi]

Kishi never draws rubbish.
And we have seen it by witnessing the last chapter of 655. Because the footsteps of the SA was shown in 573 as well.
So Izanami or Izanagi will be cast once again.

Honestly, if it is- then I have no problem with it. It will ascend simple one-time deus ex machina into smart introduction to a later-relevant technique. I just seriously doubt it will be, remember Gaara's Seeing Eye, or Kabuto's secret power or Itachi's lover? Kishi forgot about all of those.

 

[kuramasage]

The actual jutsu was cool (stuck in an endless loop) but it was an asspull and the explanation was ridiculously complex and drawn out.