The left's gender paradox

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The left has a bit of a conundrum when it comes to gender, specifically gender being a social construct.

Those on the left simultaneously believe that gender is an arbitrary thing created by society to seperate genders and create gender roles... and that someone can be born with the wrong gendered brain.

So which is it? Is gender really a social construct? Or is gender a part of our brain's make-up?

It either justifies gender roles or makes trans people liars. You decide.
 

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It makes trans people self contradictory, but the left supporting transgendered people is more based on being accepting of different life styles that are harmless, I stead of criticizing and abiding them like conservatives would.
 

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There is no real paradox, you simply don't know the difference between *** and gender. Anyone who says they were born with the "wrong-gendered brain" don't really understand the concept of gender and the concept of ***.

*** is the biological components that you are born with; what genitals you have, what chromosomes you have.

Gender is a social construct that establishes differences in the way the two sexes do certain things. *** is male, gender is males wear pants. A transgender would be a person that adopts the gender roles and image of the opposite ***, like a male wearing dresses and make-up for leisure/socially and wearing women's underwear. A transsexual is the one that feels as though they were born into the wrong body.
 

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There is no real paradox, you simply don't know the difference between *** and gender. Anyone who says they were born with the "wrong-gendered brain" don't really understand the concept of gender and the concept of ***.

*** is the biological components that you are born with; what genitals you have, what chromosomes you have.

Gender is a social construct that establishes differences in the way the two sexes do certain things. *** is male, gender is males wear pants. A transgender would be a person that adopts the gender roles and image of the opposite ***, like a male wearing dresses and make-up for leisure/socially and wearing women's underwear. A transsexual is the one that feels as though they were born into the wrong body.

You missed the entire point. If males and females truly do have different brsins as transexuals say, then it throws out the idea that all female behavior (gender roles, stereotypical femimine tendencies) is socially placed on them and that all women can do as men do just because they want to. Factually, those " gender roles" are placed there by the science of different brains and therefore not actuall gender roles at all but sexual roles and that women should accept this behaviour
 

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You missed the entire point. If males and females truly do have different brsins as transexuals say, then it throws out the idea that all female behavior (gender roles, stereotypical femimine tendencies) is socially placed on them and that all women can do as men do just because they want to. Factually, those " gender roles" are placed there by the science of different brains and therefore not actuall gender roles at all but sexual roles and that women should accept this behaviour

How surprising, you still don't get it.

Gender comes after ***. As in, people saw ***, and assigned standards and concepts to it as time went on. Gender isn't natural, nor absolute. You don't have to conform to the concept of gender. It's not different from if society said "You're black, so you should do jobs in financing, and you're white, so you should do jobs in medicine" and a black man said "You know what, I'm gonna do medicine."

You can be a transsexual without being transgender. Gender roles are a social concept that was created in observation to a biological concept.
 

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How surprising, you still don't get it.

Gender comes after ***. As in, people saw ***, and assigned standards and concepts to it as time went on. Gender isn't natural, nor absolute. You don't have to conform to the concept of gender. It's not different from if society said "You're black, so you should do jobs in financing, and you're white, so you should do jobs in medicine" and a black man said "You know what, I'm gonna do medicine."

You can be a transsexual without being transgender. Gender roles are a social concept that was created in observation to a biological concept.

What an idiotic assertion. You can't be transexual without being transgender. How would you know you felt like a woman if you didn't think stereotypically feminine thoughs? Those feminine thoughts are what makes us different. So the "social construct" is based in biology. Making it a natural construct not a social one.
 
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I don't think you know what the left is Slim... Lmao.
 

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I personally feel that gender is a social construct. Also, sorry for any typos, I'm using a phone to type this.

I've seen studies that show that males and females have brains that are "wired" differently (certain parts of the brain are larger in the average male, other parts are larger in the average female). These sorts of studies are often the "objective" evidence that research relating to trans people will cite to justify the subjective notion that trans people have the "wrong" brain for their body. For example, a trans woman might have a brain more closely resembling the average biological female, and a trans man might have a brain more closely resembling a biological male.

However, this entire viewpoint still weighs the data based on a socially-constructed, binary system of "gender." It is unscientific to seriously assert that there are two types of brains (male and female). Brain "types" fall under a huge spectrum; any connection between a person's *** and that ***'s "average" brain type is obviously a loose correlation at best.

I believe this problem is further exasperated by the contradictory nature of gender "ideals." It is very rare that a person will "match" all, or even most, of the standards of their ***'s supposed gender. However, failure to match these standards, or more closely matching the "gender" of the opposite ***, hardly proves that one's "true self," beneath their mismatched exterior, was born to be the opposite gender. Rather, such cases merely highlight the toxic, manufactured, and ultimately harmful baseless binary concept of gender.

Certainly, I don't believe that arbitrary exterior factors such as wearing makeup, dresses, or baggy jeans truly transform a person to "fit" their "inner self"; these aethetics have no inherent gender other than what society places on them. They might serve as a crude way of communicating to the world that one doesn't identify with the stereotypes surrounding one's ***, but no person is truly born with a "gender." The concept of gender is simply obsolete.
 
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Gender is like a law of the universe, almost everything has a masculine or feminine aspect to it. Even atoms and molecules.
 

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The left has a bit of a conundrum when it comes to gender, specifically gender being a social construct.

Those on the left simultaneously believe that gender is an arbitrary thing created by society to seperate genders and create gender roles... and that someone can be born with the wrong gendered brain.

So which is it? Is gender really a social construct? Or is gender a part of our brain's make-up?

It either justifies gender roles or makes trans people liars. You decide.
I was thinking the exact same.
 

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What an idiotic assertion. You can't be transexual without being transgender. How would you know you felt like a woman if you didn't think stereotypically feminine thoughs? Those feminine thoughts are what makes us different. So the "social construct" is based in biology. Making it a natural construct not a social one.
Yes you can. For example, someone is born a male and wears female clothing because they believe they are female. They transition from male to female, and continue to wear female clothing. They transitioned the ***, not the gender role.
Gender is like a law of the universe, almost everything has a masculine or feminine aspect to it. Even atoms and molecules.

What?
 

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the act of reproduction requires both male and female that is the sole purpose of genders
 

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***=Gender

gen·der
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noun
1.
the state of being male or female (typically used with reference to social and cultural differences rather than biological ones).
"traditional concepts of gender"



While it is used in some contexts interchangeably with ***, the definition has also shifted to be two separate things.
 

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Well the word Gender comes from the Latin root meaning "to beget; to procreate; to generate; to create; to produce". And almost everything has the aspect to it.

Even if you think about like ions and electrons which are the base of all matter, come together to create atoms. And each has there own role the positive and negative aspects come together like male and female. Not to say a male of female is a positive or negative concept.

But that's what I meant.
 

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Well the word Gender comes from the Latin root meaning "to beget; to procreate; to generate; to create; to produce". And almost everything has the aspect to it.

Even if you think about like ions and electrons which are the base of all matter, come together to create atoms. And each has there own role the positive and negative aspects come together like male and female. Not to say a male of female is a positive or negative concept.

But that's what I meant.
You know damn well positive and negative ions and atoms aren't the same thing as what this conversation is about.
 

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You know damn well positive and negative ions and atoms aren't the same thing as what this conversation is about.

He asked is gender a social construct, and I told him why it isn't. It's almost like a universal law.
 

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He asked is gender a social construct, and I told him why it isn't. It's almost like a universal law.

Yeah no, still not the same thing. OP is asking if the differences in masculinity and femininity are biological or social.
 
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