[Theory] the Juubi : Hagoromo's Mistakes and Madara's corrections

[minamoto]

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Hagoromo's Mistakes :

chapter 696 just proved Hagoromo's Mistakes when he devided the juubi into 9 tailed bijuus :


Hagoromo (and Naruto) believed that the 9 bijuus can be usefull to establish peace ...thats maybe one of his Ninshus principles.........


-BUT !!!!!!..........lets look at Reality....

Reality proved that the History of the bijuus is the History of the begining of the cycle of Hatred :

1-the Bijuus were the source of conflicts between the 5 villages :

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2-they cauzed other poeple's death (directly or indirectly) :

-This failed removal of the 6 tails resulted in Utakata transforming into Saiken and killing his master...

-Kurama was responsible for the Death of Naruto's parents..

-Shukaku went on a rampage after Gaara lost control...


3-the Bijuus were strong weapons used to invade other Nations...


4- gathering of the bijuus led to the Juubi's and kaguya's revival...and it always signified the end of the world..


To sum it up : Hagoromo sealing only the Gedo Mazo away without the bijuus was a wrong Decision....how come Hagoromo seals a Gedo Mazo that has only 5 % of chakra..and let the full of chakra bijuus roam free in the world???....

-now Sasuke's using susano instead of Gedo mazo to use the bijuus powers just proved the weakness of Hagoromo's shibakutensei's seal.....even the black zetsu was able to escape hagoromo's shibacku tensei seal just befor it got completed..


-by letting the bijuus roam free in the world hagormo just facilitated accomplishing the MEP for Madara...and this was hagoromo's big Mistake..



Madara's corrections :

as much as Madara had respect toward hagoromo ,but he at the same time despised his Ninshu AS A SOLUTION to spread peace....cuz poeple instead of following hagoromo's ninshu and connecting their chakra...they misused chakra for their own benifit wich created wars...thats why Madara felt hopelless..

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-for Madara chakra was always the source of troubles...and the curse of Hatred started since the day kaguya at the chakra fruit...

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So Madara's Solution was to devoid the world from that evil chakra and the only way to do that is via his "Dreamworld" plan....

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-Note : im not saying that Madara's Solution is right...but his way of questioning the problems of wars and peace was more plausible then Hagoromo's....his intentions are good but his means might be evil..


-what Naruto fails to understand = what are the Bijuus??? :

Naruto thinks that the Bijuus are : Shukaku ,Matatabi, Isobu ,Son Goku , Kokuo , Saiken , Shomei ,Giyuki and Kurama ..

But that's wrong....these are just fake identities created by hagoromo via Sozo Banbutsu ...


THE TRUE IDENTITIES OF ALL THE BIJUUS TOGETHER ARE THEM BEING THE JUUBI!!!....they are the 10 tails Juubi !!!


-if you think that the Bjuus are shukaku , Matatabi kurama and the rest of the tailed beasts then you are Naruto...but if you view the tailed beasts alltogether as Juubi then you are Madara (and also sasuke)...

Now you tell me whose right and whose wrong??..

 

[minamoto]

SORRY...i 4GOT TO MENTION TOBIDARA !!

 

[IcedFox]

Madara did it for power, nothing more.

While the basis of your theory might be correct, the Bijuu have lost their own specific hatred.

Kurama is a prime example of that, being the physical form of hatred in the world, only to be quelled by
Naruto.

 

[Rikudo SenninKun Namikaze]

the cycle of hatred existed much longer before than the bijuus, human beings were fighting constantly before the bijuus arrived... their exploit and the exploit of chakra only increased the scale of the firing power from each side... so really he tried to fix something but he didn't fail. the people failed to abandon their hatred, before AND after the bijuus.

 

[HashiraMadara SenjUchiha]

I tried but couldn't find enough courage to read

 

[Rikudo SenninKun Namikaze]

I tried but couldn't find enough courage to read

you know what else it makes a person "weird" to others?

conceitedness, "chip on the shoulder" attitude, non-verbally/verbally projecting to people how much better they are than them OR how much more of something they have compared to others, indirectness/passive behavior/sentences.

you check all the check-boxes.. congrats.

 

[xxMadaraxx]

Madara>all. The bijuus are just the Juubi. and Madara's solution was right.

 

[minamoto]

the cycle of hatred existed much longer before than the bijuus, human beings were fighting constantly before the bijuus arrived... their exploit and the exploit of chakra only increased the scale of the firing power from each side... so really he tried to fix something but he didn't fail. the people failed to abandon their hatred, before AND after the bijuus.

chakra made the fights more cruesome ...and its turned that glimmer of peace hope into nothing..

 

[GamakichiTheUsurper]

Madara>all. The bijuus are just the Juubi. and Madara's solution was right.

The Bijuu are the Bijuu, they potentially are Juubi, so we could say that they are both the Bijuu and the Juubi. Madara's solution (not his means) was right from many points of view, not only in order to get rid of chakra.

I have a thread about Madara's goals:

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PS: Actually, you have some really good threads, I mean... I thought you were only a troll, but I was wrong.

 

[Meowazziel]

People made war before they had chakra. Taking their chakra away by force does not make anything better.
It removes ninshuu as well, which has great potential in people understanding each other.

Throwing everyone into a dreamworld and turning them into white zetsus, is not helping any human at all.

When the bijou are not fused into one being, than they are Shukaku, Matatabi, Isobu, Son Goku, Kokuo, Saiken, up to Kurama.
When the bijou are fused into one being, than they are Juubi. When seperated into nine, they are the nine names, entities and personalities written above.

Ashura and Indra's chakra together, form Hagoromo's chakra, but
Indra and Ashura are not Hagoromo.

 

[minamoto]

People made war before they had chakra. Taking their chakra away by force does not make anything better.
It removes ninshuu as well, which has great potential in people understanding each other.

Throwing everyone into a dreamworld and turning them into white zetsus, is not helping any human at all.

When the bijou are not fused into one being, than they are Shukaku, Matatabi, Isobu, Son Goku, Kokuo, Saiken, up to Kurama.
When the bijou are fused into one being, than they are Juubi. When seperated into nine, they are the nine names, entities and personalities written above.

Ashura and Indra's chakra together, form Hagoromo's chakra, but
Indra and Ashura are not Hagoromo.

chakra made the fights more cruesome ...and its turned that glimmer of peace hope into nothing..

 

[Meowazziel]

chakra made the fights more cruesome ...and its turned that glimmer of peace hope into nothing..

I disagree about the hope part. Ninshuu has huge potential. Transmigration as well.
Jutsus bring more cruesome fights, but they also bring positive things, like healing jutsus and such.

 

[Six Paths of Logic]

the cycle of hatred existed much longer before than the bijuus, human beings were fighting constantly before the bijuus arrived... their exploit and the exploit of chakra only increased the scale of the firing power from each side... so really he tried to fix something but he didn't fail. the people failed to abandon their hatred, before AND after the bijuus.

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I tried but couldn't find enough courage to read

Yeah, i understand how u feel, i gave up half way.

chakra made the fights more cruesome ...and its turned that glimmer of peace hope into nothing..

Then dont only blame Hagoromo fool, ya fool.
You say there isnt hope or peace, then who tf is Naruto?

The Bijuu are the Bijuu, they potentially are Juubi, so we could say that they are both the Bijuu and the Juubi. Madara's solution (not his means) was right from many points of view, not only in order to get rid of chakra.

I have a thread about Madara's goals:

You must be registered for see links

PS: Actually, you have some really good threads, I mean... I thought you were only a troll, but I was wrong.

A troll does annoying things on purpose, to annoy. He genuine thinks he is right/smart/sensible/whatever.

People made war before they had chakra. Taking their chakra away by force does not make anything better.
It removes ninshuu as well, which has great potential in people understanding each other.

Throwing everyone into a dreamworld and turning them into white zetsus, is not helping any human at all.

When the bijou are not fused into one being, than they are Shukaku, Matatabi, Isobu, Son Goku, Kokuo, Saiken, up to Kurama.
When the bijou are fused into one being, than they are Juubi. When seperated into nine, they are the nine names, entities and personalities written above.

Ashura and Indra's chakra together, form Hagoromo's chakra, but
Indra and Ashura are not Hagoromo.

Post a scan where Madara mentions his version of Infinite Tsukuyomi/Eye of the Moon Plan, stating he wanted to the people into white zetsu
I'll wait.

 

[Meowazziel]

Post a scan where Madara mentions his version of Infinite Tsukuyomi/Eye of the Moon Plan, stating he wanted to the people into white zetsu
I'll wait.

I never said that he knew that they would turn into white zetsu.
I said they will turn into white zetsu.

 

[minamoto]

The Bijuu are the Bijuu, they potentially are Juubi, so we could say that they are both the Bijuu and the Juubi. Madara's solution (not his means) was right from many points of view, not only in order to get rid of chakra.

I have a thread about Madara's goals:

You must be registered for see links

PS: Actually, you have some really good threads, I mean... I thought you were only a troll, but I was wrong.

thx but i was never a troll

 

[Six Paths of Logic]

I never said that he knew that they would turn into white zetsu.
I said they will turn into white zetsu.

That is still pure speculation

 

[Mr Hiru]

SORRY...i 4GOT TO MENTION TOBIDARA !!

LMFAO I flipped with this comment. Anyways, thread thanked. I liked the way you put it.

 

[minamoto]

LMFAO I flipped with this comment. Anyways, thread thanked. I liked the way you put it.

ok Mr Hiru thx