The Juubi: A Natural Occurence or....A Creation

[Tebows Youth Group]

This idea was inspired by a discussion I had with a few other members. I am not saying I believe this to be true, but it is something I think deserves a debate...and its a pretty unique idea.

Now, in order to understand this idea properly, you need to know a little about the discussion we were having...​

Our broken down discussion:

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Its starts with the theory of the Sage being an Uzumaki. It is an idea that Im sure almost all of you have heard of, and with the volume of threads Derp has produced, I'm sure many of you know the details to this idea. So that's first, the second idea is that the Juubi is actually just Nature personified. I and others have written threads on this so I won't explain the details, but it is a theory you need to understand before I can go on...

....all right then, we good?

So understanding at the least the ideas behind those two theories I think a reasonable question can be asked..

It starts with this...

We know the Juubi is the progenitor. This is stated by the Kyuubi...

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Now, as I have explained in other threads, I do not believe the Kyuubi was actually talking about the manifested Juubi in a sentient form. I believe he was simply referring to what Nature does. Carries mountains, splits oceans, splits the land...these are all things that Nature does and since the Juubi and nature are one in the same, they are things that the Juubi does. If this is something you simply cannot accept without more evidence I would be happy to summarize my thread about it.

So, if we can accept this, then my question is this..​

Is it possible that the Uzumaki or the Sage created the Juubi in the form we see it in now? As a sentient, living being.

Hear me out...

I think it has become increasingly more obvious that Senjutsu predates Ninjutsu. This is the reason I believe it is effective against a Juubified Obito...something I have also written about.

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If the people of the Sages time practiced Senjutsu...mainly the Uzumaki, then they must have had an understanding of Natural chakra (I think we can at least assume the SAGE of Six Paths understood SAGE mode). So knowing this, I think its possible the Uzumaki or the Sage himself wanted to create a way to control the world's natural energy. And how does one control a massive amount of power such as a Bijuu...well...a Jinchuuriki is required.

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Is it merely a coincidence that Uzumaki are the perfect host for Bijuu. Or was it in fact, by design?

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Trying to control Natural chakra, they created an entity that their bodies were SPECIFICALLY made to control, and who was the person made to be the first Jinchuuriki...well that's easy, the Sage himself. However, Nature can not be controlled, and their creation (a medium for controlling chakra) was not what they had envisioned. Thus, the Juubi was born.



If this were the case, it would explain the Juubi's and Uzumaki's joint connection with the Onmyoudon (I just recently wrote a thread about the importance of Onmyoudon if you would like more detail on this idea).

It would also explain how the Sage was able to defeat the Juubi for he or his clan was its creator.

And how he knew exactly how to seal it and break it up.

It would basically explain his knowledge of everything. It would also explain what he said to the Bijuu. That, "unlike when you were with me" stating that the reason they were sealed in him was for power, by the Uzumaki.

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It would also explain the Uzumaki's "rough" seals

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It would explain...well...a lot of things. Anyway, if you think this idea is worth looking at and breaking down let me know. Thanks for your time.​

 

[Kyuubi99]

Thats actually a pretty good theory, im aghast at the fact you came up with that! I really enjoyed reading this theory and hope it becomes something of a reality, because its really close to amazing. A lot of it actually makes sense now that you mention Uzumaki and them being jinchuuriki and sealing, the So6p being an uzumaki would make a lot of sense. Although I heard from someone saying that an Uzumaki is also part of the senju, so it could be right!! Good theory!=D=D=D

 

[Transcendence]

Well... damn. This was pretty good. Plausible to say the least.

 

[Tebows Youth Group]

Thats actually a pretty good theory, im aghast at the fact you came up with that! I really enjoyed reading this theory and hope it becomes something of a reality, because its really close to amazing. A lot of it actually makes sense now that you mention Uzumaki and them being jinchuuriki and sealing, the So6p being an uzumaki would make a lot of sense. Although I heard from someone saying that an Uzumaki is also part of the senju, so it could be right!! Good theory!=D=D=D

Thank you for reading. Its something I should have probably put a little more time in and tried to produce more evidence. But it was some what of a "spur of the moment" idea. I think it could certainly explain a lot on inconsistencies with what the Sage did with the Juubi (knowing, and leaving a puzzle to piece it back together). Perhaps he did this so his clan couldn't seal the Juubi back where it came from... by splitting it up into so many pieces, this would no doubt become impossible. Again, I cant say I believe this idea in its entirety, more evidence needs to be shown, but it is something I thought was at least unique enough to share.

Again...thanks for reading

 

[Xāvî1]

Thats actually a pretty good theory, im aghast at the fact you came up with that! I really enjoyed reading this theory and hope it becomes something of a reality, because its really close to amazing. A lot of it actually makes sense now that you mention Uzumaki and them being jinchuuriki and sealing, the So6p being an uzumaki would make a lot of sense. Although I heard from someone saying that an Uzumaki is also part of the senju, so it could be right!! Good theory!=D=D=D

If So6p is uzumaki then uzumakis are related to both senju7 and uchiha

 

[Tebows Youth Group]

If So6p is uzumaki then uzumakis are related to both senju7 and uchiha

Not quite. The Senju and Uchiha are a product of the Sage AND the Juubi. The Senju share as much relation with the Uzumaki as the Uchiha, yes, but that is only because the Sage himself was an Uzumaki. The reason we hear of the Senju and Uzumaki close ties is because the Uzumaki (the Sages original clan) sided with the younger son (Senju)'s ideas more than they of the elder (Uchiha). So to answer your questions directly. Yes, they both share an origin with the Sage...who was Uzumaki

 

[HiddenSound]

Another excellent theory... It will be very interesting when the truth of the Sage is unravelled.

 

[Booker]

No.

Why would the Sage create an evil creature that just wants to destroy? If anything, he created a massive threat if this is true. The Sage had no reason to want to have that power.

 

[Tebows Youth Group]

No.

Why would the Sage create an evil creature that just wants to destroy? If anything, he created a massive threat if this is true. The Sage had no reason to want to have that power.

First, thank you for reading.

Like I said in this and other theories the Juubi being "evil" is somewhat ambiguous. Evil to who's standards? However, even if it was "evil" (and I don't believe this to be the case) I stated that he and his clan couldn't know what the Juubi would be when it was created. Giving nature a living, breathing form may not turn out the way one plans. And "no reason to want to have that power"? Really? There isn't any reason you can think of? I'll help. Think about Jiraiya's statement. "Back in the Sage's time, the wars were never ending, it was even worse than today." There would have been ample reason to create such a power.

 

[Booker]

First, thank you for reading.

Like I said in this and other theories the Juubi being "evil" is somewhat ambiguous. Evil to who's standards? However, even if it was "evil" (and I don't believe this to be the case) I stated that he and his clan couldn't know what the Juubi would be when it was created. Giving nature a living, breathing form may not turn out the way one plans. And "no reason to want to have that power"? Really? There isn't any reason you can think of? I'll help. Think about Jiraiya's statement. "Back in the Sage's time, the wars were never ending, it was even worse than today." There would have been ample reason to create such a power.

Alright, fair enough.

Now the only question is, where the hell did the Sage get the power to turn nature into being?

 

[Tebows Youth Group]

Alright, fair enough.

Now the only question is, where the hell did the Sage get the power to turn nature into being?

Haha, yess, that certainly is the question. If what I said in this thread is true, then that is somewhat of a mystery. My explanation would be this...

Senjutsu, I believe, outdates Ninjutsu. Several items in the manga point to this conclusion. So if the Sage were Uzumaki...or even if he wasn't, I believe he, and maybe his clansmen had the ability to gather Natural Chakra, like one would do when going into Sage mode. Now, the only thing they would need is a way to capture or "seal" (as we have seen the Uzumaki and Sage excelled at this) the natural chakra, or the "world's energy" into a living breathing form. What I find interesting is the Mazou statue. It is simply a container for the Juubi's chakra right? Well, think about it like this. Is it possible the same technique the Akatsuki used to seal the Juubi's chakra was also used by the Sage (or Uzumaki if you believe that)? All that would be needed is to create the body or "vessel" for the chakra...the Gedo Mazou statue. Then proceed to "seal" the Earth's energy inside it... just a thought though