[Discussion] The inevitable battles of the decade

[KingHashirama]

True she does have the higher stats but that really does not same to much. the difference is like 10 ponts i belive. Plus Kyoraku's bankai stated by Kubo himself is strong enoguh to take out BASE Aizen. I dont think her bankai could do that. ALos its ture she was alledthe "strongest shinigami" during her time but kyoraku wasnt there near the fighter he is now.
Also Yamamoto was there as well i kno for a fact that she aint better than the young him whcih kinda makes me wonder whats up with her title.

Also Kubo is not going to make the Captian Commander of the whole Gotie 13 weaker than some who was one shotted by kenpachi is his shikai form (no matter how strong he got). That really wouldnt make sense to kill of that powerful a character.

I really don't take interviews for relevance when talking about the manga. Since all they do is add author's opinion which is not truly the manga fact, since Kubo is not the only one on the manga team. Mate, everyone of the members of the original Gotei is stronger then Shinsui. Its been stated over and over. Unohana had the power to Tank.... she was easily more deadly then Shinsui are base form.. lmao she soloed Kenpachi who soloed 3 stern-ritters in base form.. the same ones that Shinsui got his eye messed up from.


Also, Shunsui himself is the one who hyped Kenpachi up. His first job as the captain commander was to teach and help Zaraki gain his power back. And not to mention the council members stated it would be nearly impossible to stop Zaraki if he after gaining the powers started a revolt.

And Shunsui also added that his power is "EXTREMELY " important.

Also, i do not know if you read the caption on top of the unohana introduction.. but here you go..

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Zaraki as a character is more important then Shinsui and Unohana.

Did Urahara and Isshin not make Ichigo into the strongest character to be seen?

 

[ziggyZ]

And did you know Kenpachi's base form was able to solo a captain who was nearly as strong as Yamamoto... ? A captain who was the strongest shinigami after Yamamoto...

Kenpachi didn't even use shikai...

And do you know its the same guy who Yamamoto stopped training after a day.. because if he had trained him more, he would've been a nightmare for soul society.

And do you know that a fake-Ywach in base-mode was fighting on par with the strongest Bankai? So imagine how powerful the real one using Vollstandig will be...

And when was Urahara on the level of Yamamoto or Unohana?

1.) He's as fast as Yoruichi.

2.) He's a god in terms of Kido.

3.) He's a Hakudo master.

4.) His intellect has yet to be matched.

5.) We don't know the full might of his Shikai.

6.) We don't even know about his Bankai.


It's suffice to say he's definitely up there.

 

[KingHashirama]

And do you know that a fake-Ywach in base-mode was fighting on par with the strongest Bankai? So imagine how powerful the real one using Vollstandig will be...


1.) He's as fast as Yoruichi.

2.) He's a god in terms of Kido.

3.) He's a Hakudo master.

4.) His intellect has yet to be matched.

5.) We don't know the full might of his Shikai.

6.) We don't even know about his Bankai.


It's suffice to say he's definitely up there.

And do you know that the "fake-Juha Bach" was not fighting in his Base form? ;]. And did you know Kenpachi soloed the second strongest Bankai. And this is without even trying..


1. hes slower then her

2.of course he studies in kido

3. all vice-captain and even some lower level shinigami are hakudo masters

4. Science doesn't = intellect.

5. But your not even waiting to see Kenpachi's shikai?

6. Same for Zaraki..


Its really not suffice.. because he has no battle hype to put himself there......

 

[The Grand Pubba]

I really don't take interviews for relevance when talking about the manga. Since all they do is add author's opinion which is not truly the manga fact, since Kubo is not the only one on the manga team. Mate, everyone of the members of the original Gotei is stronger then Shinsui. Its been stated over and over. Unohana had the power to Tank.... she was easily more deadly then Shinsui are base form.. lmao she soloed Kenpachi who soloed 3 stern-ritters in base form.. the same ones that Shinsui got his eye messed up from.


Also, Shunsui himself is the one who hyped Kenpachi up. His first job as the captain commander was to teach and help Zaraki gain his power back. And not to mention the council members stated it would be nearly impossible to stop Zaraki if he after gaining the powers started a revolt.

And Shunsui also added that his power is "EXTREMELY " important.

Also, i do not know if you read the caption on top of the unohana introduction.. but here you go..

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Zaraki as a character is more important then Shinsui and Unohana.

Did Urahara and Isshin not make Ichigo into the strongest character to be seen?

I dont know why u dont take facts that are stated by the author (who writes the story and makes the power rankings of characters) himself said but I guess that's ur choice.

Its never been stated that every member of the first generation is stronger than Kyoraku. They were considered the strongest as a "Generation". Meaning that at any one point in the history, first group as a whole is better than any successive group of the Gotie 13. No where is it stated that members are individually better than other members.

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Plus im not saying that Zaraki is weaker than Kyoraku, Im saying that Unohaa is weaker than Kyoraku.

Kenpachi didnt solo the same person that hit Kyoraku eye. that was the kernal sanders guy. Not all sternritters are even. By the way he was letter c, which would at the time put him behind only Jugo and Bach.

And about her title. The Strongest Shinagami is not be be taken literally. if is was that means she was strongest in the genration which included a young yamamoto. If ur sayin that she is stronger than young yamamoto ( which Juah himself said was a much more dangerous than at his death) than i got nothing to add.

 

[KingHashirama]

I dont know why u dont take facts that are stated by the author (who writes the story and makes the power rankings of characters) himself said but I guess that's ur choice.

Its never been stated that every member of the first generation is stronger than Kyoraku. They were considered the strongest as a "Generation". Meaning that at any one point in the history, first group as a whole is better than any successive group of the Gotie 13. No where is it stated that members are individually better than other members.

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Plus im not saying that Zaraki is weaker than Kyoraku, Im saying that Unohaa is weaker than Kyoraku.

Kenpachi didnt solo the same person that hit Kyoraku eye. that was the kernal sanders guy. Not all sternritters are even. By the way he was letter c, which would at the time put him behind only Jugo and Bach.

And about her title. The Strongest Shinagami is not be be taken literally. if is was that means she was strongest in the genration which included a young yamamoto. If ur sayin that she is stronger than young yamamoto ( which Juah himself said was a much more dangerous than at his death) than i got nothing to add.

Generation refers to the whole group, individual wise. All of them were stronger then the current captains (excluding Zaraki now of course). And your also denying her title she held as the strongest shinigami after Yamamoto, during the strongest generation.

Kenpachi still did more damage then Shinsui.. Notice how Yamamoto forbade Unohana to go because of her strength. *_*. And notice how she was the only one who had the power to completely revive back Zaraki's powers.


Also, she was the strongest before Yamamoto BOUGHT his powers and before she became captain... Mate, notice how Yamamoto didn't let her fight in the battle against Aizen or the Quincy invasion.. there is a reason. Meaning at a certain point Yamamoto was weaker then her.... Yamamoto basically is the one who was able to keep her in check, nothing more.


Also, Bach said nothing about Yamamoto being stronger.. he simply stated he was the head of the original quincy...

 

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And do you know that the "fake-Juha Bach" was not fighting in his Base form? ;].

Elaborate.

And did you know Kenpachi soloed the second strongest Bankai. And this is without even trying..

No I didn't, since this isn't fact.

1. hes slower then her

He kept up with her during their training sessions.

3. all vice-captain and even some lower level shinigami are hakudo masters

Where'd you get this from? Only Yoruichi, Yama, Isshin, Soifon and Urahara are told to be Hakudo masters. And the others who are close to it are those who are in the 2nd Division.

4. Science doesn't = intellect.

Re-read/watch all of his fights, and you'll see just how intelligent he is in battle.

5. But your not even waiting to see Kenpachi's shikai?

Even if his Shikai is stronger than Urahara's, his Kido and speed is enough to equal that imbalance or put him above it.

6. Same for Zaraki..

But he doesn't have the necessary time to attain it. :|

Its really not suffice.. because he has no battle hype to put himself there......

What do you possibly mean??? He has the greatest hype among the entire cast of Bleach. :|:|:|

 

[The Grand Pubba]

Generation refers to the whole group, individual wise. All of them were stronger then the current captains (excluding Zaraki now of course). And your also denying her title she held as the strongest shinigami after Yamamoto, during the strongest generation.

Kenpachi still did more damage then Shinsui.. Notice how Yamamoto forbade Unohana to go because of her strength. *_*. And notice how she was the only one who had the power to completely revive back Zaraki's powers.


Also, she was the strongest before Yamamoto BOUGHT his powers and before she became captain... Mate, notice how Yamamoto didn't let her fight in the battle against Aizen or the Quincy invasion.. there is a reason. Meaning at a certain point Yamamoto was weaker then her.... Yamamoto basically is the one who was able to keep her in check, nothing more.

Number one: There is no point in histroy where yamamoto was weaker than her. There is absolutley nothing in the manga that states that there was a point where yamamoto was weaker than in his youth then all of a sudden got better. He was considered the leader of the group which she obeyed, the most diabolical criminal. She wouldn't have if he was weaker than her. And what are u talking about him bought his power. Let me tell u something mate, there is nothing shown that she can do that lets her beat yamamoto's bankai. U shown me that can happen then ill say that yama was weaker than her at ANY point in history.

Plus that generation thing and title. If u think that when they mean strongest as a generation, that every single person is strongest person that division is every going to have. for one thing, that is the wrong way of thinking. when they say generation specifically that means group. By your standards of that meaning, there was a captain in the 5th division that was stronger than base Azien ( he was a captian of the 5th divison). Then u say she is the strongest after yamamoto meaning she is stronger than said captian making her stronger than base aizen? Then shikai kid kenpachi could beat her which means that he is alos stronger than base azien?

U shouldnt work in absolutes. There were some captians at that time that were stronger than most but there have been a few people thorughtout time, ( Aizen, Kyoraku, possibly Unahara and soon to be Kenpachi) that surpassed their counter parts in first genration. Like i said dont take her title literrally. She was hella strong but not hat strong. genration means as a group not individualistically.

 

[RasenUchihaChaos]

so they gonna do the whole ichigo auto knows how to use 2 swords aka 2 weapons not his style no exp with 2 weapons


sorry 1 sword and a dagger