[Theory] The impossibility of the existence of a 'Tobidara', and the possibility of a plothole

[Antichrist]

It's a fairly well-known theory on the boards, I'm sure you can find it. And Tobidara= Tobi+Madara

Do you mean Tobi is actually Madara .

 

[Angelic.]

Do you mean Tobi is actually Madara .

minamoto hates obito and refuses to believe he was behind akatsuki. lol. he makes stuff up. saying madara put something called a true body in obitos body lol. and that he transforms into him............ that obito couldnt possibly be a badass.

naruto confirmed today he no longer wore a mask

 

[Antichrist]

minamoto hates obito and refuses to believe he was behind akatsuki. lol. he makes stuff up. saying madaraput something called a true body in obitos body lol. and that he transforms into him............ that obito couldnt possibly be a badass.

naruto confirmed today he no longer wore a mask

Are you talking about the seal in Obito's heart that was been removed by Kakashi .

 

[Angelic.]

Are you talking about the seal in Obito's heart that was been removed by Kakashi .

no. a literal mans body in his right half. its made of senju cells not another body and hes replaced it many times losing an arm. he also was adamant that tobidara was inside spiral zetsu, and he even once said spiral was inside obito along with him. lol. then he erased that. i dont know if he worked in that seal tho.

 

[Antichrist]

no. a literal mans body in his right half. its made of senju cells not another body and hes replaced it many times losing an arm. he also was adamant that tobidara was inside spiral zetsu, and he even once said spiral was inside obito along with him. lol. then he erased that. i dont know if he worked in that seal tho.

I read some of his threads , but now I understood what is this tobidara didn't he mentioned something like the 2 Madara .

 

[Angelic.]

I read some of his threads , but now I understood what is this tobidara didn't he mentioned something like the 2 Madara .

second madara= tobidara which is inside obito.
but yea its just fun to read his bs. he admiited he makes it up with no evidence lol

 

[Antichrist]

second madara= tobidara which is inside obito.
but yea its just fun to read his bs. he admiited he makes it up with no evidence lol

Actually the more fun you will have by reading the posts in his threads :snick:

And he really hate you so much :snick:

 

[Byron123]

You had to know that my speciallity is to break theories. I saw the chance and took it.

Also, that logic only worked for those who had already Hashirama cells implanted. But Kishimoto didn't explain that for someone who didn't have implanted these cells yet (Madara after VotE's battle, before the transplant).

Yeah but theories which are worth to be broken. For instance, if I say that Naruto is a girl in disguise, will you seriously take your time trying to find counter- arguments? -__-

As for Madara, even if he hadn't done the the transplant just yet, who tells us that when awakened his rinnegan, his blind eye, didn't get immediately its sight back?

 

[minamoto]

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[Hawker]

Izuna was not Indra's transmigrant, and Izuna's MS has only Izuna's chakra.

Rinnegan can only be awakened by Indra's and Ashura's chakra, as far as I know. So Rinnegan can exclusively be awakened by Madara's eyes.

Also, I don't believe EMS can be reverted to MS, can it?

So you are saying that Madara had his OWN eye(s), not IZUNA'S, when he awakened rinnegan? When has that ever been hinted?

 

[Mr Hiru]

So you are saying that Madara had his OWN eye(s), not IZUNA'S, when he awakened rinnegan? When has that ever been hinted?

This was the case of Madara using only Izuna's eyes in VotE, as proposed by the hypothesis of Dragonor (

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I don't believe this being possible, since Madara seems to be using a Full Susano'o in VotE (a pair of EMS).

 

[The Sach]

Hiru, don't waste your time on someone who doesn't know how to spell.Lol

 

[minamoto]

Hiru my man theres no need for you to waste time making threads to debunk minamoto theories. We all know hes full of crap.

Whenever someone proves him wrong with mangaphax or points out his mistakes and ignorance he ignores them.
If by some miracle he replys he only repeats Tobidara nonsense or says some other irrelevant crap. Its just a waste of time.

when tobidara gets revealed...rememeber me laughting at ur $tuuupidity!

 

[minamoto]

Shame on you Hiru! For someone like you to waste your time to answer to the insanities of a fool, I expected more from you.


On topic: there might be many easy explanations for that, for example since it was an EMS that went blind, it might regain its light upon some time. Kishi can easliy cover that.

Mr hiru...use logic 1000x then you...he knows well that my tobidara theory makes sence...even if he dont agree..he still aknowlodges the possibility of tobi being Madara...so he is a worth to discuss with dude...unlike you ...you have 00 logic and i have no interest in you , fodder NB memeber!

 

[xXRolex]

Title describes the core of this theory, which I might add is an anti-theory. Well, this is just for fun, I may be wrong about this, but I HAD to do some research after looking back to chapter 370.

There is something that catched my attention.

First: We have a kid with a right eye, after being brutally smashed by a boulder... Obito.

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In the other hand... we have an old man... one with only a left eye... Madara.

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Curiously, he said that he left his true eyes to someone else.

Is this the "truth"?

I thought that Madara didn't lie, until I saw this...

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...paradox. Madara sacrificed his right eye in order to survive the battle against Hashirama, how is that he was able to awake the Rinnegan in "both eyes" then? How is that he claims being the only shinobi aside of Hagoromo being able to awake "both eyes"? This can't be, because he sacrificed his right eye!

The only possibility I see here is that Madara is only the real owner of "one Rinnegan". The other one... is a plothole, until further explanation comes on the table.

Another thing to notice is this:

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Tobi has a Right eye. Madara had only his Left eye.

Tobi can't be Madara, because anatomically a left eye can't be transplanted into the right eye socket and viceversa, due the position of the inferior and superior oblique being in the opposite positions respectively.

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Also, the fact that Tobi is able to use Kamui automatically discards the possibility of him being Madara.

He is just Obito, the kid that was brainwashed by old hag Madara.

wut ? please summarize this for me. dont understand or quote the point of the theory youre talking about.

 

[KRZYNASTY]

wut ? please summarize this for me. dont understand or quote the point of the theory youre talking about.

Seriously, you didn't understand the whole point of this?

It was to debunk the Tobidara theory that minamoto has. Thought that was pretty clear.

:vincent:

 

[Sentinel]

The interesting question would be "how managed Madara to restore his blind eye".

I can see a few options that kishi can use to explain.

firstly if he does use his brother's eyes and thus the EMS it might be so that the EMS regenerates it's light after a certain time, though I would find this to be a bit of an easy a$$pull

second, it might be so that upon awakening the rinnegan the light also gets restord, it might be that the chakra that does the activation is responsible for this revival of that one eye. an easy explanation, but not unlikely in my oppinion.

thirdly, if madara awakend the rinnegan in his healthy eye perhaps he has acces to some of the rinnegan/SO6P's techniques like creation of all things in a weaker version and he is able to Jesus his bllind eye (a weaker version of naruto's recreation of kakashi's eye) the blind eyeball would still be there he would just use those powers to restore them and awaken the second rinnegan. (also a bit of an a$$pull)

and lastly, in my oppinion the best possible explanation. it might have something to do with hashirama's DNA, not many shinoby combined the sharingan and hashi dna so there are options to use this as an explanation, also hashi's dna has a strong lifeforce and regeneration property's.
Danzo also used hashirama's DNA to house 10 sharingan in his arms and to have acces to izanagy. though I doubt if the fight with sasuke was the first time he used it. we know from itachi's comment that hashirama dna could restore the powers of shisui's MS in a shorter time then without it. possibly hashi's dna does the same for blinded sharingan, it could give them the potential to regain their light in some amount of time. so possibly Danzo had already used his sharingan arms but they regenerated to the full 10 by the time sasuke fought him.
it could be the same for madara, he did mention that after he infused hashi's dna into himself at first nothing happend but he awakend the rinnegan at a later age, perhaps during that ageing his EMS came back first. but kishi could not tell us that story yet since it would give away how madara tricked the first and survived that fight.

 

[The Sach]

Mr hiru...use logic 1000x then you...he knows well that my tobidara theory makes sence...even if he dont agree..he still aknowlodges the possibility of tobi being Madara...so he is a worth to discuss with dude...unlike you ...you have 00 logic and i have no interest in you ,fodder NB memeber!

I really like when you call others fodder NB member minamoto, just a request, call me fodder member, so that I can sig it someday.U_U
OT-Just like always Hiru, this is good and logical stuff.u.u

 

[Rohan]

This was the case of Madara using only Izuna's eyes in VotE, as proposed by the hypothesis of Dragonor (

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I don't believe this being possible, since Madara seems to be using a Full Susano'o in VotE (a pair of EMS).

According to that Madara had EMS, but the power was only for a limited amount of time so that he could get Hashirama's DNA. The power of his EMS faded eventually which led to his defeat against Hashirama.

 

[EPICMenma]

lol, again with tobidara threads. It's never going to happen.