The hypocricy of this site is staggering

[Beauty Busty Beast]

And there's also cynical people that are arrogant enough to think that they're the standard, and what everyone else likes is determined by them. Also failing to consider someone just might be sick of bullcrap.

my purpose of my post was to counter the one above me..

 

[Sennin of Logic]

i never said that. but why are you complaing about minato if he isnt your fav?

minato doesnt have a better SM than jairaya either

I can't stand bad logic period, regardless of the side. I'm weird that way.


Well no, jiraya can't even use it by himself, so by definition, Minato>Jiraya in that way. If Jiraya fought with Ma and Pa against Minato with ma and pa, Minato would win.

my purpose of my post was to counter the one above me..

............ Now I feel like an idiot. When people don't use quotes, I assume they're referring to the Op(me in this case).

 

[Gold Lightning]

Great thread, the hate towards this particular character is astonishing, considering there isn't really anything valid to dislike about him.

I saw comments like Minato isn't a perfect sage, or Minato can only use it for ten seconds -_-.

Yet Jiraya as terrible at senjutsu as he is, is still regarded as a great toad sage. Pretty sure Jiraya can enter sage mode himself, he just won't last long in it.

Saying Minato can't at least use senjutsu for a couple of minutes despite being a perfect sage is laughable. When Naruto entered sage mode for the first time it didn't just run out of it, but his mastery over it sucked. Saying Minato can't use Sage Mode in battle is an even bigger joke.

 

[Exaar]

For someone who hasn't used Sm in combat before, He Sure as hell Entered Sm in an instant and at the same time instantly made a Senjutsu rasengan, So for his first time using it in an actual battle that was quite a good feat for a novice Sm user

 

[RasenUchihaChaos]

What I'm referring to is people's reaction to Minato's sage mode.

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Upon seeing "I'm not that good at senjutsu," the base has acted like a shark feeding frenzy on Minato saying stuff like "Minato's SM sucks." and even more ridiculous "Jiraya's Sage Mode is better than Minato's." Every body seems to forget this scan.

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Jiraya, who was hyped to be a great sage, in his own words, stunk at it. Minato's a true sage, Jiraya's not. Minato takes time to enter SM and it doesn't last long. Jiraya can't even do it by himself. So this solidifies that Minato's Sage mode is better than Jiraya's. Yet people are claiming Jiraya>Minato in SM.


Also, Minato's statement was very subjective. For all we know, by it takes to long, he could be referring to the time it took Naruto to enter SM during the Pain arc, since it does leave you open, and by doesn't last very long, mean a couple of minutes.(certainly not a couple of seconds)


I know that hating on Minato's become a new thing on NB, but it doesn't make it any less stupid.

mianto hate has been there for a while my hate for him erupted when apart from him making naruto a jin he was also his father

 

[shelke]

Where's the hypocrisy? You people are claiming that he is good at it, that he can maintain it longer, that it took him an instant to use it: Minato DENIES all these self-made assertions. The manga has made it clear that his SM and its usage by him is exceedingly poor. Why continue beating the dead horse?

Whatever Minato said are manga facts. Anything else is nothing but Minato fanboys wishful thinking and poor interpretation of a statement that is as direct as it can be.

 

[~Sky~]

Minato is featless in SM, and on top of that he said he's not good at it. Are you proposing we hand him J-man's feats in SM?

Because he literally has no SM feats in his lifetime, he says he's never once used it in an actual fight.

 

[Gold Lightning]

For someone who hasn't used Sm in combat before, He Sure as hell Entered Sm in an instant and at the same time instantly made a Senjutsu rasengan, So for his first time using it in an actual battle that was quite a good feat for a novice Sm user

That's what I'm saying

 

[Dantee]

Yes Minatos SM sucks, he's not good at senjutsu, it only lasts a couple of seconds, all canon.

 

[Optimistic]

I don't care.

 

[AGoodBoy]

Something tells me this is based off the opinions of like a handful of people.
It's not the site that's hypocritical. It's the hypocrites that are hypocritical.

 

[Sennin of Logic]

Minato is featless in SM, and on top of that he said he's not good at it. Are you proposing we hand him J-man's feats in SM?

Because he literally has no SM feats in his lifetime, he says he's never once used it in an actual fight.

No, I didn't say that we should give Minato Jiraya feats. I'm saying that it's hypocritical to claim that Minato has a horrible SM because he said so and give Jiraya a free pass when he said so. That is all.

Yes Minatos SM sucks, he's not good at senjutsu, it only lasts a couple of seconds, all canon.

Not quite. You're claiming it only last a couple of seconds. That information is not cannon. We saw him prep it, attack Madara, and then, when we saw him again, he didn't have it.


The thing is, we didn't see him again until after Obito and Madara finished their talk. This means that cannon wise, it could have been anywhere in between a couple of seconds and a couple of minutes. A couple of seconds is extreme.

 

[Dantee]

Not quite. You're claiming it only last a couple of seconds. That information is not cannon. We saw him prep it, attack Madara, and then, when we saw him again, he didn't have it.


The thing is, we didn't see him again until after Obito and Madara finished their talk. This means that cannon wise, it could have been anywhere in between a couple of seconds and a couple of minutes. A couple of seconds is extreme.

You must be joking. The next time we see Minato is in the start of 666. The interaction between Madara and Obito after Minatos assault is nowhere near that time frame. Unless you believe Madara was standing there with Obitos hands in his chest for a few minutes.

10 seconds at tops Lol.

 

[Shadow Phantasm]

The only thing that I dislike is when people give characters feats they don't have.I like Minato but his fanboys need to stop giving him the same capabilities of other SM users like Naruto.

 

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[Ovan]

....Minato don't have shit related to the toad sage other then the eyes and the boss toad summoning. In no other way has he showed us him doing anything else toad sage like.

He may have been able to enter the mode with but it don't mean he used it as well as J-Man when he was in it. J-Man actually worked with his toads like Orochimaru would work with his snakes. That's what a true sage that is animal/bug related... If you a snake, you do snake stuff. If you a sage of the slugs, you will be able to stick yourself back together like one. J-Man just has more and better feats then Minato in that section. Live with it. ~_~ Minato was just not trained in it. And to tell the truth, he didn't need it.

 

[Gold Lightning]

....Minato don't have shit related to the toad sage other then the eyes and the boss toad summoning. In no other way has he showed us him doing anything else toad sage like.

He may have been able to enter the mode with but it don't mean he used it as well as J-Man when he was in it. J-Man actually worked with his toads like Orochimaru would work with his snakes. That's what a true sage that is animal/bug related... If you a snake, you do snake stuff. If you a sage of the slugs, you will be able to stick yourself back together like one. J-Man just has more and better feats then Minato in that section. Live with it. ~_~ Minato was just not trained in it. And to tell the truth, he didn't need it.

It's not about what he knows in Sage mode, it's about what sage mode does for him. Increased ninjutsu, taijutsu, genjutsu, speed, reflexes, perception, sensing. Those are all real feats of sage mode and every one of them is a fact, being a perfect sage gives you all those advantages.

So the people who use to say that Minato can't harm the likes of Ay because of his durability, well think again. People saying Minato's sensing is below Tobirama's, well add Minato's natural sensing ability + sage mode sensing, then we have a high tier sensor right here.

Sage mode gives way too many advantages to even care about what other jutsu Minato may have.

In the end we don't know Minato's full Arsenal, til now he still has shown the least out of each Hokage. We know he had just as good a relationship with the toads because Bunta respected him more and he knew Geratora really well.