The Hokage Issue - Thane's observation

[Thane]

Hello everyone

So, I've noticed a lot of people are absolutely livid that Kishimoto supposedly made a mistake in chapter 599 with the Hokage monument. Apparently his face wasn't there during Kakashi's little offspin but was there now.

I'd just like to point out that this is not the first time something like this happens. Indeed, it's not even the first time something like this happens to a Hokage.

Here, in chapter, God I don't remember which one it is...123? Anyway, we see both Hashirama and Tobirama declaring that the little kid Hiruzen will become Hokage the very next day:

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And this is what happens in chapter 481:

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Notice how everything changes? Hiruzen's age, Hashirama isn't there, they're in the middle of a mission etc etc.

Yet this seems to be largely ignored. We all accept the latter version as canon. Why make such a big deal out of Minato's face being there now in chapter 599? Besides, if I remember correctly, a large text is covering up the part of the mountain where Minato's face should be in Kakashi Gaiden.

Well that's all. I just wanted to point that out.

 

[nj tandi]

Yep,I've wondered this too.

 

[fati]

kishi is human he is allowed to do mistakes

 

[natzzz]

tommorow probaly means when both tobirama and hashirama aew dead.

 

[gordo1]

Good find. +Rep

 

[nj tandi]

Tommoerw peobaly means when both tobirama and hashirama aew dead.

Can you not spell?
And regarding your signature it is 'Itachi'.

Regarding the Hokage monument,even though in Kakashi gaiden it was covered by text,you see Minato's face was not there as the rock continued flat and turned a corner or something;it didn't rise.Just compare the pictures in Uchiha Obito and the first chapter of gaiden.

 

[LBeezy]

In all fairness.. The first pic shows different memories in Hiruzens mind. When we see him really young, that's just when Hashirama was speaking to him. And when Tobirama was speaking to him, its the same exact memory that is in the second pic. Kishi almost even drew Tobirama the exact same way for both chapters and kept the text almost identical.

Hope that clears that part up for you.

I can't say anything about the Minato monument/ Obito flashback though. lol xd

 

[OnPoint]

The initial Tobirama part seems to be a flashback (in Hiruzen's mind) to me. Those Hashirama and Tobirama speeches are two seperate memories.

 

[LBeezy]

I think Hiruzen was just having flashback or his own memories of both individually. Not necessarily of him being appointed the Hokage as a child, but one of Hashirama talking to him as a child and one of Tobirama appointing him when he was a young adult. Tobirama became Hokage presumably after Hashirama died, so I don't believe Hashi would be there when Hiruzen was appointed.

Edit: I was beaten to the explanation.

Sorry bout that man! Lol xd

But nice! We were both thinking the same thing. Haha

 

[Roby]

Hey . . . after 600 chapters and all the hokage mizukage thing I gues its hard to remember every single detail besaids its human to make mistakes... U_U
Its just part of life

 

[Thane]

The initial Tobirama part seems to be a flashback (in Hiruzen's mind) to me. Those Hashirama and Tobirama speeches are two seperate memories.

Even if that's the case, why would Hashirama also say "tomorrow you'll be Hokage" or whatever? It doesn't make sense.

 

[Simple Math]

well yes i didnt care much about it... good find + rep

 

[Owarij]

it's obvious that it's two seperate moments.. one with tobirama, the other a speech by hashirama

Hashirama isn't telling him that he's going to be hokage in that pic.. he's telling him what it means to be hokage..

the other scan is of tobirama, (hashirama would be dead by then) passing on the title to young hiruzen...

Which we got to see in detail when danzo died.

 

[Kira was Righteous]

Its just obito haters/whiners bro

Its sad to resort to such petty little things its as if there saying look Kishi made a mistake look how terrible he is when in reality there just sad Obito turned out to be Tobi

My theory either for effect or perhaps it was viewed in Tobis mind so thats how he sees things now other than that it could just be a mistake

 

[The Hidden Shinobi]

Nope these were memories he had of them, it was not stating that this is how it happened.

I agree with your main point of this thread kishi had done things at the start and changed them but this is not one of them.

 

[supino]

Even if that's the case, why would Hashirama also say "tomorrow you'll be Hokage" or whatever? It doesn't make sense.

maybe he meant it as 'in the future you will be hokage'. in those memories they were advising Hiruzen, whereas in the flashback it is the precise moment he gets appointed as Hokage. actually it makes sense. Hashirama and Tobirama were mentoring child Hiruzen, later when Tobirama saw that his student had learned the lesson he officially appointed him hokage.

 

[Thane]

maybe he meant it as 'in the future you will be hokage'. in those memories they were advising Hiruzen, whereas in the flashback it is the precise moment he gets appointed as Hokage. actually it makes sense. Hashirama and Tobirama were mentoring child Hiruzen, later when Tobirama saw that his student had learned the lesson he officially appointed him hokage.

Makes a bit more sense. Still, they used the word 'tomorrow'. And I don't get why we overspeculate this but hate on the fact that Minato's face was on a mountain.

To me this is a far worse oversight, yet it doesn't bother me at all.

 

[supino]

Makes a bit more sense. Still, they used the word 'tomorrow'. And I don't get why we overspeculate this but hate on the fact that Minato's face was on a mountain.

To me this is a far worse oversight, yet it doesn't bother me at all.

who knows? at the end of the day if it was a simple mistake people will slowly let it go as the story moves on. it was a weird and in-your-face type of mistake though.

 

[startup97]

Sarutobi is a beast!