The future of employment due to automation

[Sasuke The Solo God]

Does it scare you the many middle class jobs will soon be replaced?

Do you believe the solution to this is universal basic income ( which norway and sweden are already implemented trial runs on that).

Is universal income the only solution?

 

[Sanzen]

Middle class jobs as you call them, aren't disappearing, they are changing.
Take for example, I'm an Automation Engineer. What I program and code for the PLC(programmable logic controller) has to be tested within the system it is designed for, it has to be built(wiring components together) and there is always going to be maintenance on automated equipment.
There are also a lot of things that robots and automated equipment can't do that a human can. Humans will always be needed in an automated world.

On it's deepest levels at least in my opinion, universal income is pretty much one of the dumbest things in the world. If I am getting paid the same amount of money to design, program and implement an automated system as the guy doing documentation on how the system operates, I am going to feel underappreciated in what I do and underpaid for that matter. I have been in both shoes, writing documentation and designing an automated system from start to finish. The former really isn't all that difficult if you are college educated and have some writing classes under your belt. The latter however, that is something on a different level in it's entirety.

Also, look at it this way. Take two of the same exact job and you have 2 people working. One is a motivated individual who strives to really make the world a better place while the second person is a lack luster individual that does just enough to get by. With universal income in this situation, you're completely screwing over person number 1 who is busting their ass.

 

[Lightbringer]

Automation could be a paradigm shift of this world if implemented right.

But giving the fact that people are driven by greed, it would mostly likely be implemented the complete opposite direction.

Like you said, it could be a universal income for everyone.

But it's most likely going to be a way to just keep the rich richer and replace workers in order to prevent loss of personal income.

 

[kimb]

Middle class jobs as you call them, aren't disappearing, they are changing.
Take for example, I'm an Automation Engineer. What I program and code for the PLC(programmable logic controller) has to be tested within the system it is designed for, it has to be built(wiring components together) and there is always going to be maintenance on automated equipment.
There are also a lot of things that robots and automated equipment can't do that a human can. Humans will always be needed in an automated world.

On it's deepest levels at least in my opinion, universal income is pretty much one of the dumbest things in the world. If I am getting paid the same amount of money to design, program and implement an automated system as the guy doing documentation on how the system operates, I am going to feel underappreciated in what I do and underpaid for that matter. I have been in both shoes, writing documentation and designing an automated system from start to finish. The former really isn't all that difficult if you are college educated and have some writing classes under your belt. The latter however, that is something on a different level in it's entirety.

Also, look at it this way. Take two of the same exact job and you have 2 people working. One is a motivated individual who strives to really make the world a better place while the second person is a lack luster individual that does just enough to get by. With universal income in this situation, you're completely screwing over person number 1 who is busting their ass.

It's predicted by most professionals and experts in the field of technology and automation like Nick Borstrom, that automation and super intelligent A.I. will eventually pose a threat to the human labor force for both skilled and unskilled labor. I know the way automation is being built now is to enhance human labor instead of replacing it, but once A.I. comes into play, you won't need engineers or operators. This isn't science fiction either, it isn't a matter of if we will build a super A.I., it's a matter of when.

 

[Melanin]

Hopefully you and I will no longer be alive when the scifi movie BLADE RUNNER or iRobot becomes reality, automation will spawn into robots that can reason and have emotions driven by thought and ideas which transcend human programming but that's an over exaggeration (lol)., pretty much all the jobs that can be automated have already been automated, the rest will cost so much to automate it will be cheaper for decades to use people in America. It is in places like China where they need to fear automation as their wages are rising fast enough to make automation cheaper.

 

[MickNerks]

Middle class jobs as you call them, aren't disappearing, they are changing.
Take for example, I'm an Automation Engineer. What I program and code for the PLC(programmable logic controller) has to be tested within the system it is designed for, it has to be built(wiring components together) and there is always going to be maintenance on automated equipment.
There are also a lot of things that robots and automated equipment can't do that a human can. Humans will always be needed in an automated world.

I agree with you on this point. The "middle class jobs" are CHANGING, not completely DISSAPEARING. We saw these same trends in the late 1800's with the rise of the steam engine and during the industrial revolution. Jobs are replaced by new jobs, not completely lost. It may require you to gain new skills, but oppurtunities still exist.

On it's deepest levels at least in my opinion, universal income is pretty much one of the dumbest things in the world. If I am getting paid the same amount of money to design, program and implement an automated system as the guy doing documentation on how the system operates, I am going to feel underappreciated in what I do and underpaid for that matter. I have been in both shoes, writing documentation and designing an automated system from start to finish. The former really isn't all that difficult if you are college educated and have some writing classes under your belt. The latter however, that is something on a different level in it's entirety.

I think you have a flawed understanding of what BUI is. It is not a constant income for everyone across the board in every sector or industry, Basic universal income is just a stipend that the goverment pays monthly to all its citizens to help them afford their daily needs. You can still have a separate income provided by whatever job you have.

The best example of this would be: Gary and John are both citizens in Canada. The government gives them both $2,000 a month in the form of Universal Basic Income. Gary also works as a truck driver where he make around $4,000 a month, meanwhile John is a stay at home dad. Gary's combined monthly income is $6,000 dollars while Gary only receives $2,000 due to UBI. Both men receive $2,000 dollars a month, but gary makes an extra $4,000 dollars a month due to his job as a truck driver.

Also, look at it this way. Take two of the same exact job and you have 2 people working. One is a motivated individual who strives to really make the world a better place while the second person is a lack luster individual that does just enough to get by. With universal income in this situation, you're completely screwing over person number 1 who is busting their ass.

I think you have the wrong IDEA!!!