[CE] The fundamental forces

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Answer a few questions for me. Are we talking about an element or a chakra nature or just an advanced form ninjutsu? Which other element, ninjutsu or chakra nature is it the closest to? Knowing me i based off of some precedence, or maybe i didn't so ill give you a minute to figure it out. Be brief
 

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Answer a few questions for me. Are we talking about an element or a chakra nature or just an advanced form ninjutsu? Which other element, ninjutsu or chakra nature is it the closest to? Knowing me i based off of some precedence, or maybe i didn't so ill give you a minute to figure it out. Be brief
We're talking about an independent element and chakra nature. This is definitely not just an advanced form of ninjutsu. This is because one takes Earth, Fire, and Lightning chakras and combines them to produce Force chakra which both manipulates and creates Gravitons, particles that govern gravity (attraction, repulsion, nullification).

I suppose Force is closest to a combination of Storm and Magnetism. Beams of light which attract, repel, and nullify.
 
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Dust release. Again, read the sequence of question it builds up.
Are we talking about an element or a chakra nature or just an advanced form ninjutsu?
Ask yourself. Whats an element? And whats the difference between an element a chakra nature or just an advanced form of ninjutsu. Give yourself a few examples.
Water release, Ink Ninjutsu, Wind release, Sand Ninjutsu, Lightning release, Sound Ninjutsu.
Apart from the obvious difference of having 'release' in the name. Still ask yourself why make the distinction ?
Key is Nature manipulation / Transformation. A chakra nature is a quality of chakra, ergo it allows you to convert chakra to or produce the said 'element' using Chakra. Ink and Sand cannot be produced using chakra except with an ability like tailed beasts or an animals biology. The second part, being shape manipulation could be applied on anything. Irrespective of whether its ink or water. Obviously there are exceptions like Sound could be produced using chakra. But understand that its a bi-product not a direct result.
That said, The next question asked for an element, not a set of elements. And i didnt asked you to draw a comparison. Simply point out which one. Again you had to read the question in sequence. Force release is composed of 3 Chakra natures.
That said, briefly explain why those 3 chakra natures are required and how chakra nature works? and how it applies to force release?
I dont expect you to present the right answer, but try to get as close as possible
 
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Dust release. Again, read the sequence of question it builds up.
Are we talking about an element or a chakra nature or just an advanced form ninjutsu?
Ask yourself. Whats an element? And whats the difference between an element a chakra nature or just an advanced form of ninjutsu. Give yourself a few examples.
Water release, Ink Ninjutsu, Wind release, Sand Ninjutsu, Lightning release, Sound Ninjutsu.
Apart from the obvious difference of having 'release' in the name. Still ask yourself why make the distinction ?
Key is Nature manipulation / Transformation. A chakra nature is a quality of chakra, ergo it allows you to convert chakra to or produce the said 'element' using Chakra. Ink and Sand cannot be produced using chakra except with an ability like tailed beasts or an animals biology. The second part, being shape manipulation could be applied on anything. Irrespective of whether its ink or water. Obviously there are exceptions like Sound could be produced using chakra. But understand that its a bi-product not a direct result.
That said, The next question asked for an element, not a set of elements. And i didnt asked you to draw a comparison. Simply point out which one. Again you had to read the question in sequence. Force release is composed of 3 Chakra natures.
That said, briefly explain why those 3 chakra natures are required and how chakra nature works? and how it applies to force release?
I dont expect you to present the right answer, but try to get as close as possible
The element outlines the basics of it. Earth governs the 'forces' of matter, fire generates high energy, and lightning creates waves and attracts the matter.

Now in a broad sense chakra nature is the characteristics and properties of chakra. Through the process of nature transformation, an advanced form of chakra control, one can alter these characteristics and properties.

Force, being an element composed of three separate basic elements, is created through nature transformation and combines and alters the properties offered by fire, earth, and lightning. This generates beams of high energy which attract and repel matter.
 

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The element outlines the basics of it. Earth governs the 'forces' of matter, fire generates high energy, and lightning creates waves and attracts the matter.

Now in a broad sense chakra nature is the characteristics and properties of chakra. Through the process of nature transformation, an advanced form of chakra control, one can alter these characteristics and properties.

Force, being an element composed of three separate basic elements, is created through nature transformation and combines and alters the properties offered by fire, earth, and lightning. This generates beams of high energy which attract and repel matter.
Natures indeed a properties of chakra. Take Fire release for example, it involves using friction between chakra particles to generate heat until the air in your lungs ionize and you spit out a burning fire ball. Advanced natures are developed when you activate 2 natures at the same time. For force you will require 3, an even tougher feat. To put the difficulty in perspective, Naruto described using nature transformation and shape manipulation simultaneously as 'looking in opposite directions at the same time'. Once you do activate the Force nature, your chakra particles will convert gravitons or rather behave exactly like gravitons do (think about the difference between natural lightning and chakra based lightning).

Mugetsu shows you the palm of his hand as he uses nature transformation to reveal a coat of golden chakra


Again like Chakra, gravitons have two natures, they're particles and they can be directed in the form of a wave.

Mugetsu then faces his hand towards chunk of rock, the size of a man stuck deep within the soil and in an instant pulls it out of the ground stopping as it reaches his hand. He then shoots it off in a different direction.

Waves can be used to attract and repel matter. Given the fact that it generates intense light shows that its not the most efficient process. Moving on explain to me the concept of gravity.
 

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Natures indeed a properties of chakra. Take Fire release for example, it involves using friction between chakra particles to generate heat until the air in your lungs ionize and you spit out a burning fire ball. Advanced natures are developed when you activate 2 natures at the same time. For force you will require 3, an even tougher feat. To put the difficulty in perspective, Naruto described using nature transformation and shape manipulation simultaneously as 'looking in opposite directions at the same time'. Once you do activate the Force nature, your chakra particles will convert gravitons or rather behave exactly like gravitons do (think about the difference between natural lightning and chakra based lightning).

Mugetsu shows you the palm of his hand as he uses nature transformation to reveal a coat of golden chakra


Again like Chakra, gravitons have two natures, they're particles and they can be directed in the form of a wave.

Mugetsu then faces his hand towards chunk of rock, the size of a man stuck deep within the soil and in an instant pulls it out of the ground stopping as it reaches his hand. He then shoots it off in a different direction.

Waves can be used to attract and repel matter. Given the fact that it generates intense light shows that its not the most efficient process. Moving on explain to me the concept of gravity.
Yeah that makes sense. I've always thought about it as 'synthetic.' So gravity in a real sense is the fundamental attraction between objects that have mass.

In the sense of the RP Graviton, or Force Style, governs particles known as Gravitons. These are a theoretical massless particle in the real world. However, in the RP, these particles simply control three basic subcategories of 'Force' which are attraction, repulsion, and nullification. In tight groupings these particles generate light, because of their inefficiency compared to abilities like the Deva Path which can directly control gravity without the need to synthetically create Gravitons.
 
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Yeah that makes sense. I've always thought about it as 'synthetic.' So gravity in a real sense is the fundamental attraction between objects that have mass.

In the sense of the RP Graviton, or Force Style, governs particles known as Gravitons. These are a theoretical massless particle in the real world. However, in the RP, these particles simply control three basic subcategories of 'Force' which are attraction, repulsion, and nullification. In tight groupings these particles generate light, because of their inefficiency compared to abilities like the Deva Path which can directly control gravity without the need to synthetically create Gravitons.
Which isnt to say, you cant manipulate gravity itself. Going back to what i said, think about the difference between lightning release and natural lightning. When you do so, the first thing that comes to mind is Kirin, a lightning release technique. You still have to explain the concept of gravity in brief simple sentences.
 

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Which isnt to say, you cant manipulate gravity itself. Going back to what i said, think about the difference between lightning release and natural lightning. When you do so, the first thing that comes to mind is Kirin, a lightning release technique. You still have to explain the concept of gravity in brief simple sentences.
Gravity is a fundamental force that exists and acts on all objects with mass. In simple terms gravity pulls objects toward heavier objects' centers. It is the force that keeps the planets in orbit and keeps our feet on the surface of the ground. Gravity is an omnipresent influence; its range is effectively infinite (although it weakens as the distance between objects increases) and has been present since the beginning of time.
 

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why or how does gravity pull? Explain it in terms of curvature of space time
I don't study physics at a high level so excuse my very rudimentary and rough knowledge. The curvature of spacetime was proposed by Einstein and replaces the idea of gravity as a 'force' (comes from general relativity). It is instead the curvature of spacetime that causes objects to gravitate.

In Newton's model of the universe space was static. It was a three dimensional grid that did not move. This was overturned by Einstein in the early 1900s when he advanced his theory of special relativity to general relativity. In this he unified space and time to create 'spacetime.' He stated that objects with mass bend spacetime. This completely removed Newton's model; space became an elastic structure that was anything but static. Hugely massive objects, such as the Sun, warp spacetime significantly which cause the planets to fall in orbit with the sun. It creates a sort of 'basin' if one visualizes it, although this is a rough visualization.
 

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I don't study physics at a high level so excuse my very rudimentary and rough knowledge. The curvature of spacetime was proposed by Einstein and replaces the idea of gravity as a 'force' (comes from general relativity). It is instead the curvature of spacetime that causes objects to gravitate.

In Newton's model of the universe space was static. It was a three dimensional grid that did not move. This was overturned by Einstein in the early 1900s when he advanced his theory of special relativity to general relativity. In this he unified space and time to create 'spacetime.' He stated that objects with mass bend spacetime. This completely removed Newton's model; space became an elastic structure that was anything but static. Hugely massive objects, such as the Sun, warp spacetime significantly which cause the planets to fall in orbit with the sun. It creates a sort of 'basin' if one visualizes it, although this is a rough visualization.
Lets put it in layman's terms as much as possible. You're right, mass occupies space and then curves it. The difficulty in understanding gravity directly relates to perspective of dimensions. We're 3 dimensional creatures so we're used to looking at things in 3 dimensions. So to better understand gravity consider a 3 dimensional example.

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The grid is obviously gravity. Now imagine a sheet of cloth, a tightly stretched sheet of cloth. Then throw a blue marble on it, it would push the sheet down creating sort of a well around it. That well is gravity. Any object that gets close enough to its vicinity gets sucked in to the very bottom of the well where the marble is at. If it moving at a direction and gets caught into an objects gravitational well it starts to orbit and considering there is no friction or loss of energy in space, it can do so in near perpetuity.

So gravity itself is the name we gave to an invisible force (though it really isn't) which we discovered to be a well in the 4th dimension because matter curves space. Hence the choice of name for this element, Force.

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So my next question and this is an important one, you may not know the answer but i want you to think about it. We here talked about attraction and now we've discussed how it occurs. Tell me about repulsion, we know force release create repulsive beams. How does gravity create repulsion? does it even do that?
 

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Lets put it in layman's terms as much as possible. You're right, mass occupies space and then curves it. The difficulty in understanding gravity directly relates to perspective of dimensions. We're 3 dimensional creatures so we're used to looking at things in 3 dimensions. So to better understand gravity consider a 3 dimensional example.

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The grid is obviously gravity. Now imagine a sheet of cloth, a tightly stretched sheet of cloth. Then throw a blue marble on it, it would push the sheet down creating sort of a well around it. That well is gravity. Any object that gets close enough to its vicinity gets sucked in to the very bottom of the well where the marble is at. If it moving at a direction and gets caught into an objects gravitational well it starts to orbit and considering there is no friction or loss of energy in space, it can do so in near perpetuity.

So gravity itself is the name we gave to an invisible force (though it really isn't) which we discovered to be a well in the 4th dimension because matter curves space. Hence the choice of name for this element, Force.

Recommended video :
I do advice you watch this.

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So my next question and this is an important one, you may not know the answer but i want you to think about it. We here talked about attraction and now we've discussed how it occurs. Tell me about repulsion, we know force release create repulsive beams. How does gravity create repulsion? does it even do that?
Yeah, that makes sense. I forgot about the 4th dimension in this case. I actually knew about that...I swear >_>.

I was actually seriously hoping you'd ask this for some time now. Although we never spoke about it because it never became like a pressing question for me. So I kinda just casually pondered it. So yeah, we talk about gravity as attracting and gravitating. Repulsion doesn't seem to fit normally. However, my belief is that Force Release is used to remove the force of gravity from an object in order to repel it. So instead of attracting it by amplifying and manipulating Gravitons, Force can remove gravity from an object and effectively push it away. I imagine this as like removing the force of gravity from a person on the surface of the Earth. Instead of being pulled toward the Earth because of gravity they would instead move upward away from the center of the Earth.
 

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Allow me to expand your knowledge further on the subject. Its . Now for the sake of relevance i'm not going to dive too deep, because not all of the information on the subject is relevant to our element. That's why i keep pointing out to that you keep it brief and cover the important bits >.>

Quoting wikipedia
A universe in which positive energy dominates will eventually collapse in a "big crunch", while an "open" universe in which negative energy dominates will either expand indefinitely or eventually disintegrate in a "big rip".
Its as simple as, 'positive gravitational energy' attracts, and 'negative gravitational energy' repels. Mind you while you were somewhat close, this is not the same as 'absence' of gravity which simply means there is no object with mass in the vicinity.
You've heard before, the universe is expanding. A central idea around the big bang theory, if you haven't we should have this discussion. If you've heard of it before, then you know the universe is .. well expanding. On a smaller scale gravity (or positive energy) wins and its keeps objects held together. The is an example, thats where we (milky way ) reside as well as andromeda. Galaxies in the milky way are held together by gravity. On larger scale, negative energy wins and objects outside the Local group or are probably forever out of our reach as by the time we develop to the point of traveling to it. They'll move too far away, eventually light from those galaxies and clusters wont reach us and we wont have any information of it what so ever. And future generations wont have any proof of their existance and they'll begin to question us like we question other things, like religion. Its dark and depressing o-o at least for me.
Ahm yeah, gotta stay relevant. Its negative energy. Simple as that

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Force Release: Surrounding Heaven (Graviton: Amanogawa)
Type: Offensive, Defensive, Supplementary
Rank: D – S
Range: Short – Long
Chakra: 10 – 40 (-10 per turn)
Damage: 20 – 80 / N/A
Description: Surrounding Heaven, named after the Milky Way galaxy, encompasses the basic applications of Force Release: the manipulations of the three forces of gravity. This technique produces masses of Gravitons; these masses are generally released as linear beams from the user’s body or a source of the user’s chakra. However, Gravitons can be further shaped to fit the user’s needs at any given time. The configurations they can take on are limited to basic geometric shapes. All Gravitons produced create light; this light can vary in coloration. By default the beams appear a golden-yellowish color. With the addition of heat or electricity the beams can shift in color becoming either red or blue, respectively. All applications of this technique derive their primary source of damage from the powerful gravitational force generated by this technique. Should the user desire one can utilize an alternate application allowing the beams to produce no damage and simply pull, push, or nullify a target. Masses of Gravitons can be split in order to strike multiple targets, following normal splitting rules. The user is even capable of producing a full body release of these beams, creating a defensive shockwave which can nullify, repel, or even attract depending on what is used. Masses of Gravitons, particularly projectiles, can operate in different methods, all explained below depending on the type of Force used. Beams and masses can be sustained over multiple turns, requiring the user expend chakra in order to do so.

Alcyone (Arushiōne): this application embodies the manipulation of the attractive forces of gravity. The primary source of damage stems from the powerful gravitational force this technique can exert. For example, when a target is attracted it can be crushed, contorted, or destroyed. Masses of Gravitons produced are generally formed in beams which can travel great distances to reach their target. Alternatively these Gravitons can be shaped into projectiles which can be launched as such. When a mass of Gravitons strikes a target it will inflict its gravitational damage in the instance of impact while pulling its target toward the source of the Gravitons. When a target is gripped by a sustained beam of Gravitons it can be thrown in arc-like motions, although ultimately it will be pulled closer to the source regardless.

Polaris (Hokkyokusei): this application embodies the repulsive forces of gravity. The primary source of damage stems from the bone crushing force as well as harmful heat or electricity added to it. Masses of Gravitons produced are generally formed in beams which can travel great distances to reach their target. Alternatively these Gravitons can be shaped into projectiles which can be launched as such. When a mass of Gravitons strikes a target it will inflict its gravitational damage in the instance of impact while pushing its target away from the source of the Gravitons. When a target is gripped by a sustained beam of Gravitons it can be thrown in arc-like motions or placed elsewhere, although ultimately it will be pushed further from the source regardless.

Libertas (Jiyū): this application embodies the nullification forces of gravity. Targets struck by Nullification Gravitons are caught in a suspended animation; this reflects the complete loss of all kinetic energy. The primary source of damage stems from the bone crushing force it is capable of exerting on those captured in its influence. Unique to Libertas is the behavior of the masses of Gravitons produced. Masses of Gravitons produced are generally formed in beams which can travel great distances to reach their target. Alternatively these Gravitons can be shaped into projectiles which can be launched as such. When a mass of Gravitons strikes a target it will inflict its gravitational damage in the instance of impact while catching it in suspended animation. Like Polaris and Alcyone, Libertas is capable of moving those within beams of Gravitons freely and without resistance. Unique to Libertas is the behavior of the capture; sustained beams of Gravitons will hold a target indefinitely. Upon the beam’s release the target will be caught in suspension until a full body surge equivalent to the rank applied is utilized. This is also true for projectile based Graviton attacks. S-Rank applications of this technique (regardless of the type) can only be used three times per battle and no S-Rank or above Force in the user's next turn.
 
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Look at you having a little existential crisis : ^). Makes sense. I knew about this already with red and blue shifts and the big bang. I didn't know the bit about negative energy though, or rather that it was named negative energy. Pretty interesting stuff o-o.

No questions on the first technique. We made it.
 
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