The Flash review

[chopstickchakra]

So I may be a little late(a tad ironic when talking about the fastest man in the world) but let's talk about The Flash on CW.

It's been a good show, I like the over the top sequences, it makes it feel like a comic adaptation should feel. I'm so tired of "realistic" "humanized" super heroes. If I wanted to see a real guy running around in spandex I'd go to New York.

Anyway, this series has been borrowing a lot of the mythos from two(arguably the two most known) Flash(Flashes? Flashi? let's stick with Flash as the plural, like deer) Barry Allen and Wally West. For the casual fans it's like this(and I'm sure there's more I don't notice, I'm not a die hard Flash fan but I know a fair amount)

Barry Allen:
Iris West
Eddie(Eobard) Thawne(Reverse Flash/Professor Zoom) - in the show he's called Eddie in the comics he's Eobard, still no clarification if it's the same person.

Wally West:
Linda Park - In the show Barry is currently going out with Linda Park but in the comics she is the wife of Wally West, Iris's nephew so that's a weird age discrepancy using her.
Hunter Zolomon(Reverse Flash/Zoom) - In the comics he worked for the police, in the show they make Eddie a cop so they're sort of blending the two characters.

Then there's Harrison Gideon Wells(a clever play on H.G. Wells author of "The Time Machine") who travels from the future with a ring that contains a suit belonging to Flash. This is another trait similar to Eobard Thawne who by all means should be the Reverse Flash in the show since it's about Barry not Wally. That would mean though, there's a paradox while two Eddie's are alive in the same time which isn't a real problem for a Flash story but with them muddling backstories I'm not sure how it's gonna play out, is Wells gonna be Zolomon or is Wells gonna be Thawne. Zolomon has no real reason to kill Nora Allen(which Thawne did in the comics) but with the addition of Linda whose to say where they'll go.

What's your opinion?

 

[I'm stupid real stupid]

Great review. Also how do you think Grodd will fit into the story? Will it help Wells against a fight with Flash?

 

[~Naruto&Itachi~]

This is my theory on RF on the show:
First of all just because this is barry doesn't mean they can't use wally's villains since they can time travel....with that said i think there are two RFs one is wells and the other is Thawne don't know if that reverse flash who we saw in mid season finale is Eddie or his grandson or son but i think I am certain Wells didn't kill Nora, why? well we have take into fact that wells doesn't seem to over the top crazy if you know what I mean, I think he is just stuck in the past trying to save his wife.....while the RF that attacked them at mid season finale seems a bit crazy....but that is just my theory....

My opinion is that the show has started IMO much better than Arrow when it started....

Great review. Also how do you think Grodd will fit into the story? Will it help Wells against a fight with Flash?

I feel like he will more likely be used against General Eiling since he will be trying to get firestorm and wells will protect him and their will be an altercation

 

[chopstickchakra]

Great review. Also how do you think Grodd will fit into the story? Will it help Wells against a fight with Flash?

I have been waiting for Grodd since before day 1 lol I'm glad you brought him up. As soon as I heard about this I said they have to have Grodd, then I heard Berlanti(I think is who it was) say he didn't want to involve Grodd because he thought it would lessen the show(idk why he must not have known the history Grodd has in DC, I think this was when they planned on doing this like Arrow, more realistic) luckily it seems like they're changing their minds as they've been sneaking him into scenes and even showed him briefly in one episode.

At this point I kind of hope they just keep teasing Grodd until Season 2 and let him be the main antagonist in that season. I'd like to see them have Grodd manipulate the Rogues into forming and have them fight Flash as part of his master plan.

On a side note, I loved the crossover between Flash and Arrow, DC needs to make more shows, at least 1 per day of the week, and start doing some more crossovers and start building this universe deeper. I'd love to see a Martian Manhunter show and a live action Teen Titans would be awesome. After watching the Spectre spotlight movie, a Spectre show would be awesome, plus the whole late 40's vibe seems to be working with Marvel and Agent Carter. Since the Green Lantern movie flopped, make a new series Green Lantern and play off Barry and Hal's friendship. There's a ton of characters they could choose(actually you just helped me decide my next thread tanks)

 

[Wolves]

I never read Flash before.. but the first two episodes just aired in Germany on Tuesday, looks awesome to me so far.

Also, what do you think about the series "Gotham" ?

 

[~Naruto&Itachi~]

I never read Flash before.. but the first two episodes just aired in Germany on Tuesday, looks awesome to me so far.

Also, what do you think about the series "Gotham" ?

that show....:dead:it isn't that good.....that is the nicest way I can put it:NO:
But i want it to be good so badly....
They do have great actors in Penguin and The Riddler but the show doesn't know what it wants to be and it's just shoving all these batman villains onto us
I would highly recommend you Constantine

 

[Wolves]

that show....:dead:it isn't that good.....that is the nicest way I can put it:NO:
But i want it to be good so badly....
They do have great actors in Penguin and The Riddler but the show doesn't know what it wants to be and it's just shoving all these batman villains onto us
I would highly recommend you Constantine

hmm okey.. I liked it tho! each their own!

 

[chopstickchakra]

This is my theory on RF on the show:
First of all just because this is barry doesn't mean they can't use wally's villains since they can time travel....with that said i think there are two RFs one is wells and the other is Thawne don't know if that reverse flash who we saw in mid season finale is Eddie or his grandson or son but i think I am certain Wells didn't kill Nora, why? well we have take into fact that wells doesn't seem to over the top crazy if you know what I mean, I think he is just stuck in the past trying to save his wife.....while the RF that attacked them at mid season finale seems a bit crazy....but that is just my theory....

My opinion is that the show has started IMO much better than Arrow when it started....



I feel like he will more likely be used against General Eiling since he will be trying to get firestorm and wells will protect him and their will be an altercation

I didn't wanna get to into it but my idea is:

Wells is Eddie Thawne from the future(yes simply because the names) Eddie Thawne has to be related to Professor Zoom in some way, I think Eddie lived his life to the point Wells comes back, then we have Future Eddie(Wells) in the past where his original timeline body still exists(Cop Eddie). Wells(FE) went back to the time when Barry was a child, killed his mother(to instigate the events that lead to Flash) then Wells(FE) lived out those 17 years since the murder as Wells, using his knowledge of the future to become a renowned scientist.

This brings us to the present where imo two Eddies exist. Then we have the fight where RF/PZ attacks Wells. Now in my theory this is Wells attacking Wells so let me explain. We have the day of the attack(point A) x days into the future(point B) Wells from point B goes back to point A, puts on his yellow suit and waits for the attack. Now Point B Wells can beat the crap out of point A Wells all he wants since it's a time-travel body(Paradox body) even if Wells(FE) dies it's fine because Eddie Thawne will still live to the age where he comes back in time, so the death of Wells(point A) won't result in the death of Wells(point B) or Eddie. There is one person RF/PZ(Wells point B) can't hurt and that's Eddie as that would result in direct damage to himself and ruin his cover in the process, Eddie is the only person in that room Wells(point B) didn't hurt and that's Eddie and the reason why is what I just mentioned.


Also spoiler:

Spoiler

Tuesday's episode revealed there were two speedsters the night Nora was murdered, 1 was Barry(which we really knew from the comics anyway) The other is not identified yet, but it will be Wells and then we'll find out whether Wells is Future Eddie or Hunter Zolomon.

 

[~Naruto&Itachi~]

I didn't wanna get to into it but my idea is:

Wells is Eddie Thawne from the future(yes simply because the names) Eddie Thawne has to be related to Professor Zoom in some way, I think Eddie lived his life to the point Wells comes back, then we have Future Eddie(Wells) in the past where his original timeline body still exists(Cop Eddie). Wells(FE) went back to the time when Barry was a child, killed his mother(to instigate the events that lead to Flash) then Wells(FE) lived out those 17 years since the murder as Wells, using his knowledge of the future to become a renowned scientist.

This brings us to the present where imo two Eddies exist. Then we have the fight where RF/PZ attacks Wells. Now in my theory this is Wells attacking Wells so let me explain. We have the day of the attack(point A) x days into the future(point B) Wells from point B goes back to point A, puts on his yellow suit and waits for the attack. Now Point B Wells can beat the crap out of point A Wells all he wants since it's a time-travel body(Paradox body) even if Wells(FE) dies it's fine because Eddie Thawne will still live to the age where he comes back in time, so the death of Wells(point A) won't result in the death of Wells(point B) or Eddie. There is one person RF/PZ(Wells point B) can't hurt and that's Eddie as that would result in direct damage to himself and ruin his cover in the process, Eddie is the only person in that room Wells(point B) didn't hurt and that's Eddie and the reason why is what I just mentioned.


Also spoiler:

Spoiler

Tuesday's episode revealed there were two speedsters the night Nora was murdered, 1 was Barry(which we really knew from the comics anyway) The other is not identified yet, but it will be Wells and then we'll find out whether Wells is Future Eddie or Hunter Zolomon.

Spoiler

Cisco already ran the DNA test....it wasn't wells, he said that....which further proves that there aare two RFs one is Thawne which could be Eddie or his offspring(who killed nora) and other is wells who is trying to guide barry in the right direction to save his wife and/or get his powers

wiki quote:

The explosion alerts General Eiling, who orders a team to recover F.I.R.E.S.T.O.R.M. Cisco runs the blood samples and informs Joe that while neither is from Dr. Wells, one is from an adult Barry.

 

[chopstickchakra]

I never read Flash before.. but the first two episodes just aired in Germany on Tuesday, looks awesome to me so far.

Also, what do you think about the series "Gotham" ?

Gotham is a fine show, but it's not a great comic adaptation. When I look past that I enjoy the show, if I get too caught up on comic details it eats at me a little. Penguin is one of the best characters I've seen in awhile. The only thing I dislike is how much Gordon is winning, it'll make his inevitable fall so much harder.

that show....:dead:it isn't that good.....that is the nicest way I can put it:NO:
But i want it to be good so badly....
They do have great actors in Penguin and The Riddler but the show doesn't know what it wants to be and it's just shoving all these batman villains onto us
I would highly recommend you Constantine

Riddler is done so poorly and all I wanted for was a good Riddler adaptation after Carey wrecked him. They wrote the part like the wanted Sheldon Cooper to be in it and they try too hard to make him weird, Riddler was never like that as far as I remember.

About the villains did you catch the misdirect at the end of last episode? They make it seem like Joker is going to be revealed but I read online there intro'ing the Flying Dicksons(Robins parents, and Robin) and their carney boss is a crazy psycho. All I know is if they try to turn it into the Joker I'm quitting the show.

 

[~Naruto&Itachi~]

Spoiler

Gotham is a fine show, but it's not a great comic adaptation. When I look past that I enjoy the show, if I get too caught up on comic details it eats at me a little. Penguin is one of the best characters I've seen in awhile. The only thing I dislike is how much Gordon is winning, it'll make his inevitable fall so much harder.



Riddler is done so poorly and all I wanted for was a good Riddler adaptation after Carey wrecked him. They wrote the part like the wanted Sheldon Cooper to be in it and they try too hard to make him weird, Riddler was never like that as far as I remember.

About the villains did you catch the misdirect at the end of last episode? They make it seem like Joker is going to be revealed but I read online there intro'ing the Flying Dicksons(Robins parents, and Robin) and their carney boss is a crazy psycho. All I know is if they try to turn it into the Joker I'm quitting the show.

lol d1ck and bruce can become BFFs
also trailer for the next episode:

Spoiler

I know he isn't too much like the comics and yes they are trying way too hard but thats more on the writers...the actor seems to be great also Penguin is becoming "big" way too fast for my taste...I feel like he should have taken over fish's stuff at season finale....

 

[chopstickchakra]

Cisco already ran the DNA test....it wasn't wells, he said that....which further proves that there aare two RFs one is Thawne which could be Eddie or his offspring(who killed nora) and other is wells who is trying to guide barry in the right direction to save his wife and/or get his powers

wiki quote:

See that's the thing though, Eobard Thawne wanted to make Flash better just like Wells is doing. Their crossing backstories so it's not as simple as just saying it's ____ because____. It could be Eddie's grandson but he was Inertia and fought Bart Allen, Barry's grandson making the family connection between Allen and Thawne which implies Wells is Thawne also. Let's not forget the particle accelerator could have changed Wells blood some how and made the blood from Nora's death different then the Blood Cisco would have tested in the present.

 

[~Naruto&Itachi~]

Yeah I saw that at the end of the episode but listen carefully it says "Next villain is NO joke" I'm fairly certain it's a misdirect to make you focus on the word Joke. I'd put money that the character they showed is the circus boss and not Joker. We have no Joker backstory and Joker can't exist without Batman, I think it's the directors way at having fun with the rumors. Like I said though, if they try to place a Joker in the show, I quit.

maybe he is red hood....

 

[~Naruto&Itachi~]

See that's the thing though, Eobard Thawne wanted to make Flash better just like Wells is doing. Their crossing backstories so it's not as simple as just saying it's ____ because____. It could be Eddie's grandson but he was Inertia and fought Bart Allen, Barry's grandson making the family connection between Allen and Thawne which implies Wells is Thawne also. Let's not forget the particle accelerator could have changed Wells blood some how and made the blood from Nora's death different then the Blood Cisco would have tested in the present.

watch this guy he explains what I am trying to say(starts at .40)

Spoiler

 

[chopstickchakra]

maybe he is red hood....

watch this guy he explains what I am trying to say(starts at .40)

Spoiler

I can't watch that on the computer I'm on I'll check it later,

When you say Red Hood do you mean Jason Todd(Cus that can't happen) or the guy that was forced to where the Red Hood and commit a crime resulting in him falling into a vat of Ace Chemicals(Also can't happen because we need Batman)

 

[~Naruto&Itachi~]

I can't watch that on the computer I'm on I'll check it later,

When you say Red Hood do you mean Jason Todd(Cus that can't happen) or the guy that was forced to where the Red Hood and commit a crime resulting in him falling into a vat of Ace Chemicals(Also can't happen because we need Batman)

No i am talking about Joker who was Red Hood before he became The Joker because of Batman

 

[chopstickchakra]

No i am talking about Joker who was Red Hood before he became The Joker because of Batman

Right but he was only made to do one robbery by the Red Hood gang, which is the crime that he fell into the Ace Chemicals during. We can't have any bit of Joker before Batman exists, it just can't happen, that means the laugh they'll be using, that means the looks and the attitude that are typical when thinking of the Joker, all of that is a result of his falling into Ace Chemicals(while sticking to the comics that is) In that story Batman was already in existence when Joker was made to rob that place.

Ok I was wrong I just found an article saying it will be Joker. Soooo, I'm done. **** Gotham, I could over look Penguin and Riddler being in at late 20's while Bruce is 14 that'd make them 10-15 years older than Bruce when he becomes Batman which is already a bit of a stretch, Cobblepot is the only significantly older villain. I even overlooked Sionis because I assume it'll end up being Roman's father. But there is no Joker backstory without a Batman, DC has never given one and these clowns shouldn't be allowed to do so when they've done such a mediocre job at keeping with the mythos. They even gave him a name, Jerome, eh why not Jack like the Burton movies or joe like the Killing Joke. This whole thing just sits weird, the point of the Joker is to never actually know and never be able to pin point how or why, he's essentially chaos incarnate. The only real reason Joker exists is to make Batman better he even told him so in Death of the Family.

 

[~Naruto&Itachi~]

Right but he was only made to do one robbery by the Red Hood gang, which is the crime that he fell into the Ace Chemicals during. We can't have any bit of Joker before Batman exists, it just can't happen, that means the laugh they'll be using, that means the looks and the attitude that are typical when thinking of the Joker, all of that is a result of his falling into Ace Chemicals(while sticking to the comics that is) In that story Batman was already in existence when Joker was made to rob that place.

Ok I was wrong I just found an article saying it will be Joker. Soooo, I'm done. **** Gotham, I could over look Penguin and Riddler being in at late 20's while Bruce is 14 that'd make them 10-15 years older than Bruce when he becomes Batman which is already a bit of a stretch, Cobblepot is the only significantly older villain. I even overlooked Sionis because I assume it'll end up being Roman's father. But there is no Joker backstory without a Batman, DC has never given one and these clowns shouldn't be allowed to do so when they've done such a mediocre job at keeping with the mythos. They even gave him a name, Jerome, eh why not Jack like the Burton movies or joe like the Killing Joke. This whole thing just sits weird, the point of the Joker is to never actually know and never be able to pin point how or why, he's essentially chaos incarnate. The only real reason Joker exists is to make Batman better he even told him so in Death of the Family.

People out there will still protect Gotham....also you watch Constantine?

 

[chopstickchakra]

People out there will still protect Gotham....also you watch Constantine?

"People out there will still protect Gotham"

I'm not understanding the meaning here, do you mean within the story people will still protect Gotham or do you mean fans will still protect Gotham as in defend it?

I've watched bits of Constantine, what I saw was great, I just didn't have the attention span to sit through a few episodes when I tried initially. I enjoyed the movie I don't see why the show would be worse.

On a side note, not comic related have you checked out the show 12 monkeys yet? It had a pretty solid first episode. I'm only half way through the second but it seems like it's gonna be good.

 

[~Naruto&Itachi~]

"People out there will still protect Gotham"

I'm not understanding the meaning here, do you mean within the story people will still protect Gotham or do you mean fans will still protect Gotham as in defend it?

I've watched bits of Constantine, what I saw was great, I just didn't have the attention span to sit through a few episodes when I tried initially. I enjoyed the movie I don't see why the show would be worse.

On a side note, not comic related have you checked out the show 12 monkeys yet? It had a pretty solid first episode. I'm only half way through the second but it seems like it's gonna be good.

People(fans) will still try and make it seem like it is right/makes sense

Constantine is great....much better than Gotham
No I haven't