Gotta admit, I didnt walk into this thread with high hopes of being convinced. But I liked the way it was organized, which is a rarity amoung NB threads, and decided to give it a chance.
I was no disapointed, I have a knew found respect for Sakura and how skilled she is. But one thing I would recommend is that you look through all the scans you link and take out any scans you find to be repetitive or lacking. It gets somewhat tiresome to scoll through 12-14 scans at a time, I mean each chapter is about 19 scans. So if possible take out any scans that dont directly and firmly help your point. Other than that great thread, well done.
Gotta admit, I didnt walk into this thread with high hopes of being convinced. But I liked the way it was organized, which is a rarity amoung NB threads, and decided to give it a chance.
I was no disapointed, I have a knew found respect for Sakura and how skilled she is. But one thing I would recommend is that you look through all the scans you link and take out any scans you find to be repetitive or lacking. It gets somewhat tiresome to scoll through 12-14 scans at a time, I mean each chapter is about 19 scans. So if possible take out any scans that dont directly and firmly help your point. Other than that great thread, well done.
My problem with Sakura ( cause your right she is def not useless at all compared to everybody else.) is that kishi has tried to portray her as a useful member of team 7 with her main goal being to not be useless and catch up to her teammates. She is delusional in the sense that she believes that as a ninja she is comparable in any way to naruto/sasuke/kakashi.
It's true that she is a very powerful ninja ( as strong or stronger than other konoha ninja ) but I hate how she compares herself to god tiers/legends of the ninja world.
Her Strength:
-she isnot stronger in base than sage mode Naruto, and with the seal she isnot stronger than kyubi mode naruto, lets forget about BSM cause that makes her even more useless.
-She isnot stronger than Sasuke's Susanoo
-She is stronger than kakashi physically, so she has that over him.
Her medical ninjustu
-Her healing isnot better than pre-emptivly handing out kyubi cloaks, -she cant revive the dead, (naruto's innate healing is better than Sakura's
-Her healing is usefull for Sasuke and kakashi, although I would say jugo and karin are better healers than sakura or atleast even.
Her place in team 7
As a member of the team she has improved tremendously, the problem is that her teamates have improved at a faster rate than she did, Consider this, there are multiple times in which her main goal has been given to us ( to catch up to Naruto/Sasuke) the problem with her character is that in comparison to her teammates she is even more useless now than in part 1.
Please, what is she going to do? Anything she could heal the kyubi would heal better, anything she could punch naruto could hit harder. Notice how when in comes to being a cell, she still got left behind in this current arc.
-I detest Sakura not because she is weak, or that she is a fangirl but because she deludes herself into thinking she is achieving her goals when it is obvious that she isnot. Naruto and Sasuke are getting stronger too fast in comparison to her and at this rate she will never catch up.
My problem with Sakura ( cause your right she is def not useless at all compared to everybody else.) is that kishi has tried to portray her as a useful member of team 7 with her main goal being to not be useless and catch up to her teammates. She is delusional in the sense that she believes that as a ninja she is comparable in any way to naruto/sasuke/kakashi.
It's true that she is a very powerful ninja ( as strong or stronger than other konoha ninja ) but I hate how she compares herself to god tiers/legends of the ninja world.
Her Strength:
-she isnot stronger in base than sage mode Naruto, and with the seal she isnot stronger than kyubi mode naruto, lets forget about BSM cause that makes her even more useless.
-She isnot stronger than Sasuke's Susanoo
-She is stronger than kakashi physically, so she has that over him.
Her medical ninjustu
-Her healing isnot better than pre-emptivly handing out kyubi cloaks, -she cant revive the dead, (naruto's innate healing is better than Sakura's
-Her healing is usefull for Sasuke and kakashi, although I would say jugo and karin are better healers than sakura or atleast even.
Her place in team 7
As a member of the team she has improved tremendously, the problem is that her teamates have improved at a faster rate than she did, Consider this, there are multiple times in which her main goal has been given to us ( to catch up to Naruto/Sasuke) the problem with her character is that in comparison to her teammates she is even more useless now than in part 1.
Please, what is she going to do? Anything she could heal the kyubi would heal better, anything she could punch naruto could hit harder. Notice how when in comes to being a cell, she still got left behind in this current arc.
-I detest Sakura not because she is weak, or that she is a fangirl but because she deludes herself into thinking she is achieving her goals when it is obvious that she isnot. Naruto and Sasuke are getting stronger too fast in comparison to her and at this rate she will never catch up.
So let me understand your reasons, you are hating on her because she wants to become stronger? Because she wants to be at the same level of her teammates? That's a good reason for you?
It's not like she belongs to a powerful clan, or has keikei genkai, Orochimaru didn't experiment with her, she doesn't have any chakra beast inside of her providing her an incredible amount of jutsus and chakra, her eyes are the regular ones and she has no brother with Doujutsu to have his eyes transplanted to her.
All her accomplishments are product of her hard work, nothing was given to her for free.
Her role in team seven, and in the war is mainly healing, she is a medical ninja after all, that's what she is really good at.
Naruto cannot heal injuries with his cloak, but he can transfer chakra, and that is something Sakura is not that good yet. Don't confound Naruto's self-regeneration skills provided by the Kyuubi, with the properties of the Kyuubi cloak, it's not the same, at least for now, it's not confirmed.
Probably Sage Mode, since has been stated that Natural Chakra is more powerful than regular, is true that it can be superior than Chakra Enhanced Strength, with the condition that its user controls it as well as Sakura controls her jutsu, to perfection. These are the strength feats i found for Frog Sage Mode:
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Then it's Bijuu Mode. I haven't seen many strength feats for it, it's Kyuubi's chakra after all, it can take the form of different jutsus, but when we talk about strength I haven't seen Naruto in Kyuubi Mode being able to do this, or similar:
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Look at Naruto's reaction. He may have some other more destructive techniques, but he cannot do with his bare hands what Sakura did, not in Kyuubi mode, maybe with Sage Mode, i am not fully convinced.
Susanoo can be broken into pieces by Chakra Enhanced Stregth, so a confrontation between a CES punch and the Susano, will leave the Susanoo cracked or in pieces:
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And if you are wondering if Sakura can achieve the same level of strength, you should see this scan again:
I agree. Sakura is not useless. She definitely isn't ugly. She's strong, but not as strong as her companions. She can surpass Kakashi and Tsunade. Whether or not she already has surpassed Tsunade is still up for debate imo but that's not the point here. And she does have potential to be the heroine.
And she's also a b****. Yeah, like that time she tried to talk Naruto out of his promise to save Sasuke by lying to him about loving him. Or thinking she could take matters into her own hands by knocking out Lee and Kiba to kill Sasuke herself only to fail miserably. Don't get me wrong, I don't hate Sakura. The problem is that she's often acted without really considering how people around her would feel. She's strung Naruto along without even meaning to, for instance, and even tried to play on that to get him to abandon Sasuke. Way to show an understanding of how Naruto feels.
So on that last point, Sakura has potential to be a heroine, and to her credit, she has been straightening out her act ever since the Kage summit arc, but I still think Hinata has a much better potential than her.
Her place in team 7
As a member of the team she has improved tremendously, the problem is that her teamates have improved at a faster rate than she did, Consider this, there are multiple times in which her main goal has been given to us ( to catch up to Naruto/Sasuke) the problem with her character is that in comparison to her teammates she is even more useless now than in part 1.
Please, what is she going to do? Anything she could heal the kyubi would heal better, anything she could punch naruto could hit harder. Notice how when in comes to being a cell, she still got left behind in this current arc.
-I detest Sakura not because she is weak, or that she is a fangirl but because she deludes herself into thinking she is achieving her goals when it is obvious that she isnot. Naruto and Sasuke are getting stronger too fast in comparison to her and at this rate she will never catch up.
I agree. Sakura is not useless. She definitely isn't ugly. She's strong, but not as strong as her companions. She can surpass Kakashi and Tsunade. Whether or not she already has surpassed Tsunade is still up for debate imo but that's not the point here. And she does have potential to be the heroine.
And she's also a b****. Yeah, like that time she tried to talk Naruto out of his promise to save Sasuke by lying to him about loving him. Or thinking she could take matters into her own hands by knocking out Lee and Kiba to kill Sasuke herself only to fail miserably. Don't get me wrong, I don't hate Sakura. The problem is that she's often acted without really considering how people around her would feel. She's strung Naruto along without even meaning to, for instance, and even tried to play on that to get him to abandon Sasuke. Way to show an understanding of how Naruto feels.
So on that last point, Sakura has potential to be a heroine, and to her credit, she has been straightening out her act ever since the Kage summit arc, but I still think Hinata has a much better potential than her.
Let's be fair, if Sakura was more useless compared to the rest of her team by now, Naruto would've died the moment the Kyuubi was extracted from him.
This explains it pretty well, but i want to quote some of what Sai said.
"He is acriminal now...." (Sasuke)
"Sakura isn't stupid, and she is not much of child as to not understand other people circumstances"
"She thought she'd lessen your burden by giving up on Sasuke and confessing her love to you, but you still said you wanted to save Sasuke"
"I think that's why she couldn't tell you the truth"
"She was thinking of your feelings and she probably knew you'd say that"
I don't agree about Hinata being a better heroine, sorry but it was stated in the manga and proved with facts that Hinata doesn't have talent for being a shinobi in comparison to Neji and her sister.
Not only because she mastered the 64 plams in the middle of a war, at the age of 16, while Neji at the age of 13 was already able to do so, but the fact she didn't mastered Kaiten yet. And i like skilled heroines, despite the fact Sakura cames from no clan at all (I mean free powerups without training are off the table), she was able to become a pretty skilled shinobi, praised for many powerful characters.
The usefulness of a character depend on the situation, the current need. Currently they have to keep the Hero alive, and no, Sasuke or Naruto could never do that... But this doesn't mean Sakura is more useful than her teammates.
She has better feats as a support shinobi than Sasuke, but she doesn't not have greater offensive power than him or Naruto, so in a direct battle with enemies, the boys are more useful than her.
Naruto does have support feats with the Chakra cloak and that, in my opinion, is more impressive than the massive healing feat that Sakura has, but she was also great anyway.
