kabuto also says and i quote "im invincible" mighty fine praise for someone who claims with an entire army of edos that hashiramas above him. keep in mind kabuto had lost most of his edos at that point besides madara and madara wasnt really being controlled. so if he isnt on his level at the very second that he said that, it does not mean that kabuto cant defeat him before the war started with his full army. kabutos assuming hashirama has a sealing tech powerful enough to deal with madara. kabutos assuming hashi has the speed to keep hanging with madara's 25 mokubunshin shared vision rinnegan users. and if "everyone agreed" with that how come choza said tsunades unbeatable? how come naruto said no one can break through gaaras defences? and how can kabuto say this when he was NOT watching naruto and rinnegan obito's battle?
and you can "not be on his level" and still kick his fukin ass. like kakashi. decapication kamui in the first second of the fight. game over. mabui. summon amber pot. hashirama says something. is sealed forever. game over.
you have one shinobis opinionated biased statement. unless kabutos omnipotent and omniscient.
"if i didnt have this (susano) i would have been dead" - itachi uchiha
when did he do that? and yes i believe pain is of a higher calibre than ems madara. hashirama fought madara over and over for years. i bet hes never even HEARD of rinnegan. hed be so confused by the shared vision and deva path he would be helpless vs bansho tennin + human path combo.
he didnt. naruto didnt see the almighty push that wiped out a village and pushed back 6 tailed kurama did he?
no. "hashi" would have to prove he is strongest and actually do something. if no one now can beat madara, but can beat regular ems madara obviously hashirama would be easy. but madaras a completely different opponent with a very different fighting style. not everyone can sprout wood out of their bodies and not everyone can heal instantly. all hashirama beat him means is he was well suited to counter madaras abilities. but for all we know madara =/= someone else who DOES counter those abilities. and for all we know sharingan enables madara to beat opponents hashirama could not. like deidara for example. how can hashirama know whats happening before hes breathed in C4 and disintegrated?
no he didnt. did madara meet and fight obito and bm naruto all out? until he does he cannot say the ninjas now are not as strong as the ninjas 100 years ago
no he didnt. he got rinnegan at the very end of his natural life, summoned juubis shell, then gave rinnegan away an unknown amount of time later and hooked himself up to juubi. why would you think he could train himself properly to use it to its full potential when hes in that bad a shape? why would he? hes got so many other powers to fall back on and is practically unstoppable without it. nagato had it HIS ENTIRE LIFE and mastered every one of the abilities he discovered and possibly created his own unique variations like the six paths of pain jutsu.
what feats suggest this? as i said before for all we know he caught madara off guard or set a trap last time
amaterasu to the face. or totsuka
nagato when skinny and half dead was admired like a god and called unbeatable. what makes you think hiruzens hype defeats nagato's
How is kabuto assuming if the person who got beat by him is saying himself he got defeated by hashirama then what sense does your point actually make?? hashirama to our knowledge has no sealing techniques just supressing ones and it dont really matter since where not talking about edo madara, you say he cant keep up YET HE WON THE FIGHT!! your points are invalid if he beat madara of course he was able to keep up thats what winning means! the only reason he said that is because he never seen her get her ass ****ed up and she has the creation rebirth which has the biggest flaw, well considering he said it in the manga and its common knowledge that hasirama can beat madara Extreemly high diff, thats not really kicken their ass thaats sealing them up theres a huge difference kicken there ass is what hashirama did to madara he never sealed him but defeated him in battle without any sealing techniquees plus kabutos statement isnt biased if other people have said it aswell its a fact not and a opinion and its also a fact that your a hashi hater.
ok got me there but you said it destroyed it when infact your wrong too, and now your going on YOUR biased opinion you dont know if he knew about the rinnengan considering it comes from his bloodline i should expect him to know if he doesn't it makes no diff cause were talking about madara in his prime stop bring up irrelevant things, now your just trying to give madara abilities he never had back then
Im not talking about that am i im talking about this
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You knew what i was talking about!! wheather or not he used almighty push on six tailes has nothing to do with it, your saying "for all we know" like we haven't seen madaras fighting skills, of course he would beat hashirama currently but for the last time WHERE TALKING ABOUT WHEN HE WAS IN HIS PRIME!! he nevr had rinnengan so stop referring to it, yes he did :/ right now hes dealing them with ease hes not even trying.
Your saying sometime later do you know how long the time period was untill we saw him as an old man?? and because this is madara!!! he wants to know everything he must of had to do some form of research to obtain it in the first place! , nagato was a teen when he started using it properly and he lived a short life the time period between his life and the time madara got the rinnengan is a huge gap.
"FOR ALL WE ****ING KNOW!!!" for god sake why cant you face the facts and admit hashirama beat madara in his prime END OF
Your acting like hes guna stand there and not find a menouvor for amatarasu plus totuska is slow moving by that time he COULD of dodged it (noticed i said could and not he can)
Did he world even know that was pain?? only individuals such as konan and naruto knew that he was in a weakened state. plus he was using androids to do his work. Nagato is awsome but you make him sound like hes unbeatable
