GreatestUchiha15
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You obviously underestimate Kakuzu.
He's got experience and the jutstu to go with it and the additional transformation so he is a vaulabe asset in this match-up.
The first 4 Hokages Vs Madara,Itachi,Nagato and Kakuzu
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He's got experience and the jutstu to go with it and the additional transformation so he is a vaulabe asset in this match-up.
GreatestUchiha15
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But once you use Death reaper seal you die aswell so in this case it doesnt seem as effective as Itachi's Sword of Totsuka
TheTailedSage
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so what ur saying is minato wont defeat him?? ok hes got experince but what hashe got for minatos speed?? how will he protect his hearts from time space and please Totsuka?? who will it phaze apart from tobirama and maybye hiruzen what other jutsu has itatchi got that can put away the kages and please dont say yata mirror or amatarasu because none of the kage are dumb enough to coontinuously attack the yata and as for amatarasu minato's trolling speed fools itatchi
GreatestUchiha15
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1, I didnt say he would defeat Minato i said u underestimate him
2, If Kakuzu fought against Hashirama and survived that says alot.
3, Kakuzu can simply use Earth Grudge Fear (Transformations) which can allow him to take on at least two opponenets.
4, Kakuzu can heal himself due to the tendrils all over his body
5, Ammy to the Second Hokage and its all over.
6, Crow clones and Itachi's speed allows him to keep up with Minato.
7, Minato has moslty seals and no major jutsus that can kill Itachi.
8, Yes the Sword of Totsuka would have to seal someone up.
9, Yata Mirror is the ultimate defense so...........
Enough said
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darthvader5666
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Team Madara takes this. Madara and Nagato should be enough. Madara Nagato and Itachi are definitely enough.
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no he didnt. not once did this ever occur. and hiruzens been called strongest hokage
ok. with what? kakuzu doesnt need his big black heart tendrils. he can raise his earth spear defence and laugh at minatos attempts at hurting him
hashiramas literally done nothing, has almost no feats or info on his fighting style or jutsu arsenal. hes all hype and thats all he ever will be apart from the pathetic hiruzen fight. someone who lost to hiruzen > city destroyer, mini moon creator, can absorb anything, can repel anything, can remove souls, can bring back the dead etc? sure...
only if the targets immobile. hashi, tobirama and kyuubi were immobile.
obito, kabuto, madara, mu, onoki, jiraiya, orochimaru, naruto, hiruzen, minato, danzo, itachi,4th raikage
fool's comment. nagato had it all his life. he knows its inner workings. madara was a very very old man when he got his.
lol i like how if anything isnt in line with your views it must mean the other person is a fanboy. such an overused word. fanboys are completely obsessed and defend their favourite no matter what. if i were a nagato fanboy id be saying he solos this
yet has done nothing and has never been seen doing anything
HAHAHAAHAHA
TheTailedSage
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Ermm high speed, is kaka realy guna see where mainto is guna come from and even if hes got his defence barrage eventuallly smashes through soo you failed or even massive rasengan, He casn even put the mark directly on kaka what then??
Do you WANT the site for all his jutsu, history and feats cause its a pretty obvious site plus It states he WAS THE STRONGEST NINJA IN HISTORY!! does that mean nothing to you the only reason you say he has no feats is because you know little about him, edo tensei you can only use a small oportion of your power so this just makes your hiruzen point invalid for the simple fact he was controled and not himself PLUS `he didnt even use most of his jutsu ... thats like saying yata mirror can block the metiorite tecnique... u dont know for a fact that it can, kirin supposed to be un escapable and even unblockable but SOMEHOW susano'o blocked it
ARE YOU FREAKING KIDDING ME!!!! WE have NO KNOWLEDGE WHATSOEVER that ANY of these people will defeat him, i cant even believe you said kabuto, madara in his prime would get destroyed but be specific because current could destroy hashi, how is jiraiya guna beat hasirama he cant even beat the paths of pain by himself so how did you come to that conclusion? , you say minato cant beat kakazu but somehow he beats hashirama :/ seriously check before you write, naruto cant even beat madara yet so i turn you down on that too, Madara probably had perfect susano'o back at fighting hashiram and and probably used it... think about it his strongest opponent even of course hes guna use everything! so even if itatchi uses susano'o what has he really got and dont say amatarasu case madara has it dont say yata mirror cause if madara can probably find a weakness for it then hashi can too (madaras suasno'o can get crushed by metiorite), you ronly saying hiruzen because he took on tobirama and hashi but they were in edo so you cant really say that, hashi an madara are prob as smart as eachother so how do you figure out that rai wins??
Whats you rpoint?? madara had it before nagato knowing him he studied it for a while... this is madARA where talking about your kiinda contradicting yourself because if hes an old man and has rinnengan then he has more than enough time to study rinnengan
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the manga? and no the manga does not state anything like this. if it did itd have to come from kishi in an interview or databook. since it doesnt its either biased information or misinformed opinion. because as we all know kabuto + 30 immortal zombies solos anything he damn well wants. obito said "strongest of his time". madara said "stronger than 5 current kage". nothing about him being the best in HISTORY.
doesnt need to. no matter what minato does he cant break past kakuzus defences without either being restrained in the tendrils or bouncing off the diamond skin
minato doesnt have the chakra for that
and neither do you
ok? well that makes ANY AND ALL edo tensei fights invalid because they arent themselves. unless one of them was immortal and had infinite stamina while alive. hashirama didnt use everything because he was easily stomped and sealed before that.
nope. it was destroyed. it intercepted it but was DESTROYED
so your complaining about me speculating but your doing it.
since when were you under the delusion hashirama can beat pain? you know, the GOD of naruto? who destroyed a village and made a mini moon. his katon made gamabunta look like an ant. gamabunta = similar in size to 100% kurama
hashirama doesnt have an absolute diamond defence. and hashirama doesnt have feats. kakuzu does
the fight has barely even started. and besides BM naruto >>>>>>>>Ems madara
his strongest opponent is naruto
we have no knowledge on hashiramas full power so plenty can solo him as he is now
no he cant. sharingan enables madara to find things hashirama never could
yes i can and will. they were hashirama and tobirama were they not? if not then whos DNA was it? why did hiruzen say 'please prepare to be defeated...lord first..lord second"
or they arent and hashiramas a dumbass who spams trees till his opponent goes away. you have no way of knowing that and are just speculating and making up powers and traits so hashi doesnt seem as weak as he does now
nagato was in battle with rinnegan almost all his life. im pretty sure he found out more limitations and powers than madara ever could. madara has other powers to fall back on
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TheTailedSage
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Kabuto says AND I FREAKING QUOTE!! " There arnt any ninja on the same level as the first hokage senju hashirama ANYMORE!! all the people agree with that" and if you want the link here
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So i actually have facts based on current knowledge you just base all your "facts" on on opinions. and the only one near his level was madara but even he admitted ashirama was strongr so counter that :/
..... .__. shunshin no jutsu on kakazu he can build the feaking great wall of china for all i care minato still counter it
minato doesnt have the chakra for that
I am actually giving evidence to back up my talk i havent once heard or seen you back up any of your points so dont come to me like im a rookie.
Yeah IN EDO!!! the third actually knows a sealing jutsu and for it he dies plus you rmaking out like hiruzens weak he is strong enough to hold his own against the first in edo but then again he had to you reaper seal
Itachi survived kirin and FYI he didnt use susano'o till AFTER the kirin was used so anothe fail
i say "probably" you say shite like he would stomp so seriously just stop trying to counter a loosing battle
(for starters thats going as a quote XD your fuccking insane!! ) If you really think pain can beat someone ho madara admitted defeat to then your actually a rookie, hes not a god he was "classed" as a god becase of his malicious jutsu All of this was with rinnengan and if naruto is withstanding almighty push what makes you think madara is even phased??
You dont know this its based on YOUR opinion ... ok then answer me this... can kaka beat madara
No his strongest is hashi he eve says this are you HIGH!! if no one now can beat madara no one now can beat hasi end of
But yet he still got defeated...
Becasue he had a freaking sealing jutsu he was prepared to die do you not listen and observe the fights??
(im saving that as a quote too XDD ) not true If no one in his era and which madara says " no on eis this curent era are like back in the day" then how will anyon eescape most of his jutsu?? and i can give you proof!!!
Look how old madara was he lived WAAAY longer than nagato witrh rinnengan!
madara is an edo and naruto or anyone for that matter has no sealing jutsu so how do you figure that??
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I would have to go with Team Madara. Nagato is such a huge threat, with Itachi as well.
It would an epic battle but Team Madara on top Supreme High Difficulty
It would an epic battle but Team Madara on top Supreme High Difficulty
Hashirama > Madara
Minato >>>>> Kakuzu
Hiruzen (prime)(God of Shinobi) barely> Nagato
Itachi < Nidiame Hokage
Hashirama(barely alive) +Minato + Hiruzen (barely alive) vs Barely alive Nagato, Itachi
Hashirama + Minato & Itachi & Nagato mutually annihilate each other
Hiruzen remains.
Minato >>>>> Kakuzu
Hiruzen (prime)(God of Shinobi) barely> Nagato
Itachi < Nidiame Hokage
Hashirama(barely alive) +Minato + Hiruzen (barely alive) vs Barely alive Nagato, Itachi
Hashirama + Minato & Itachi & Nagato mutually annihilate each other
Hiruzen remains.
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Madara and Nagato could most likely duo. Hashirama is not on the level of rinnegan, just EMS. Tobirama's edo would be troublesome but Madara knows how to release it, so.... we don't know enough about prime Hiruzen so all we can assume is that he has Enma. Tobirama and Minato's s/t are both annoying, but let's face it, to a rinnegan user teleportation just makes it easier to human path the crap out of someone. Adding Itachi is just overkill (don't know why Kakuzu's here, though admittedly he could take on old Hiruzen and imo Minato).
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kabuto also says and i quote "im invincible" mighty fine praise for someone who claims with an entire army of edos that hashiramas above him. keep in mind kabuto had lost most of his edos at that point besides madara and madara wasnt really being controlled. so if he isnt on his level at the very second that he said that, it does not mean that kabuto cant defeat him before the war started with his full army. kabutos assuming hashirama has a sealing tech powerful enough to deal with madara. kabutos assuming hashi has the speed to keep hanging with madara's 25 mokubunshin shared vision rinnegan users. and if "everyone agreed" with that how come choza said tsunades unbeatable? how come naruto said no one can break through gaaras defences? and how can kabuto say this when he was NOT watching naruto and rinnegan obito's battle?
and you can "not be on his level" and still kick his fukin ass. like kakashi. decapication kamui in the first second of the fight. game over. mabui. summon amber pot. hashirama says something. is sealed forever. game over.
you have one shinobis opinionated biased statement. unless kabutos omnipotent and omniscient.
"if i didnt have this (susano) i would have been dead" - itachi uchiha
when did he do that? and yes i believe pain is of a higher calibre than ems madara. hashirama fought madara over and over for years. i bet hes never even HEARD of rinnegan. hed be so confused by the shared vision and deva path he would be helpless vs bansho tennin + human path combo.
he didnt. naruto didnt see the almighty push that wiped out a village and pushed back 6 tailed kurama did he?
no. "hashi" would have to prove he is strongest and actually do something. if no one now can beat madara, but can beat regular ems madara obviously hashirama would be easy. but madaras a completely different opponent with a very different fighting style. not everyone can sprout wood out of their bodies and not everyone can heal instantly. all hashirama beat him means is he was well suited to counter madaras abilities. but for all we know madara =/= someone else who DOES counter those abilities. and for all we know sharingan enables madara to beat opponents hashirama could not. like deidara for example. how can hashirama know whats happening before hes breathed in C4 and disintegrated?
no he didnt. did madara meet and fight obito and bm naruto all out? until he does he cannot say the ninjas now are not as strong as the ninjas 100 years ago
no he didnt. he got rinnegan at the very end of his natural life, summoned juubis shell, then gave rinnegan away an unknown amount of time later and hooked himself up to juubi. why would you think he could train himself properly to use it to its full potential when hes in that bad a shape? why would he? hes got so many other powers to fall back on and is practically unstoppable without it. nagato had it HIS ENTIRE LIFE and mastered every one of the abilities he discovered and possibly created his own unique variations like the six paths of pain jutsu.
what feats suggest this? as i said before for all we know he caught madara off guard or set a trap last time
amaterasu to the face. or totsuka
nagato when skinny and half dead was admired like a god and called unbeatable. what makes you think hiruzens hype defeats nagato's