The eyes of the Uchiha ancestor are not an ems

[Uchihareborn207]

just to be clear ems did not exist until the uchiha sealed their eyes ( why?i dont know)

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1 .Toby clearly says that he was born with his father's eyes in other words the Rinnegan

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the color of those eyes are red and not pale
and it makes no sense for a hyuuga to awaken the eyes of the uchiha ancestor because they do not have mental powers


2 .you dont need the yang power to awaken the rinnegan. But it does influence the shape of the rinnegan in other words the rinnegan is not yang plus yin the sage is the one who is yin plus yang and not the rinnegan.

rinnegan = yin
sage of six paths = yin +yang

3. it make sense that the closer your dna get to the juuubi the more your eyes look like his.

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4. We still dont know how the rikudou got the rinnegan and obito did not get the rinnegan by becoming the juubi's jinchuriki

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5.we still don't know how do you awaken the rinnegan(just transplanting senju DNA did nothing)

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so its possible that you grow old and dies without awakening it. in other words something needs to happen in order to awake the rinnegan( time is not related with the rinnegan's awakening)
6.sasuke will need those eyes to battle naruto in their last fight and that's why kishi put those eyes in the chapter 462(otherwise why would he mention them if he was not going to show them in the future).

 

[Child Of The Great Empire]

Thought it was obvious.

 

[-immortal-]

One does not simply Become KIshi..
lets wait

 

[Khallil]

I didn't really go through everything but this is kinda pointing the obvious lol. It's stated many times that Madara was the first person with MS, so how could even someone before him have EMS, and for EMs you need someone else's ms, so it's pretty impossible that uchiha ancestor had ems, even if if if he had ms, because who else could've had ms and gave his eyes to him?

 

[Shinobi2012]

If it was the EMS it would look like the EMS not a swirl.

And it is kind of obvious that he did not get a rinnegan he already had one.


I just went back to read the thread because i noticed that you pulled up random images to go with your thread
( Yeah,the first time i stopped after reading your tittle)

And i came to the realization that you have no idea what your talking about.

 

[Uchihareborn207]

One does not simply Become KIshi..
lets wait

i used manga facts.

 

[Gerkak]

Let us wait and see first.

 

[Shinobi2012]

i used manga facts.

He said he used facts XD

 

[-immortal-]

i used manga facts.

Kishi Stated Rinnegan where the best Eyes...yet Madara uses only Sharingan and Kamui the best attack of all Eyes

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is there any Problem you have more?

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[Uchihareborn207]

He said he used facts XD

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isn't that a fact Naruto fanboy?XDXDXD

 

[-immortal-]

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isn't that a fact Naruto fanboy?XDXDXD

where is the fact ?

 

[Uchihareborn207]

Kishi Stated Rinnegan where the best Eyes...yet Madara uses only Sharingan and Kamui the best attack of all Eyes

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is there any Problem you have more?

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you must learn to read first before posting.

 

[Uchihareborn207]

where is the fact ?

Fact :«The elder was born with the sage's eyes»

 

[rollin]

no it is the first ems
sasuke and madara are the only known uchihas to awaken it they represent the older son and it's the last power up before rinnegan
the reason why it is not the rinnegan is because the chakra signature changed
chakra is physical and spiritual energies combined

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the older son only inherited the spiritual energies so his chakra signature was strong spiritual energies and weak physical energies giving him a yin chakra
sasuke's chakra resembles genjutsu when he uses susano'o and his chakra gets colder;that special chakra is yin related

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genjutsu is the yin element

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he then gets itachi's mangekyou and feels itachi's ocular power flowing through him making him stronger;more yin chakra

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itachi calls the ems "true power"

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madara then gets hashi's dna;hashi represents the younger son and has strong physical energies but weak spiritual energies=yang chakra so he now has sage's spiritual and sage's physical making him have the sage's chakra signature;he just needs a near death experience
the chapter that tobirama said the special chakra sprouts is call A clan possessed by evil
the chapter where sasuke's chakra resembles genjuts is called The power of darkness and karin said his chakra gets colder
yin-evil,hatred,darkness,cold etc

 

[Uchihareborn207]

no it is the first ems
sasuke and madara are the only known uchihas to awaken it they represent the older son and it's the last power up before rinnegan
the reason why it is not the rinnegan is because the chakra signature changed
chakra is physical and spiritual energies combined

Spoiler

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the older son only inherited the spiritual energies so his chakra signature was strong spiritual energies and weak physical energies giving him a yin chakra
sasuke's chakra resembles genjutsu when he uses susano'o and his chakra gets colder;that special chakra is yin related

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genjutsu is the yin element

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he then gets itachi's mangekyou and feels itachi's ocular power flowing through him making him stronger;more yin chakra

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itachi calls the ems "true power"

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madara then gets hashi's dna;hashi represents the younger son and has strong physical energies but weak spiritual energies=yang chakra so he now has sage's spiritual and sage's physical making him have the sage's chakra signature;he just needs a near death experience

you didn't even read
1.If it was the EMS it would look like the EMS not a swirl.
2.you dont need the yang power to awaken the rinnegan. But it does influence the shape of the rinnegan in other words the rinnegan is not yang plus yin the sage is the one who is yin plus yang and not the rinnegan.

rinnegan = yin
sage of six paths = yin +yang
3.don't say what rinnegan is because we don't know nothing about it.

 

[rollin]

you didn't even read
1.If it was the EMS it would look like the EMS not a swirl.
2.you dont need the yang power to awaken the rinnegan. But it does influence the shape of the rinnegan in other words the rinnegan is not yang plus yin the sage is the one who is yin plus yang and not the rinnegan.

rinnegan = yin
sage of six paths = yin +yang
3.don't say what rinnegan is because we don't know nothing about it.

All ms and ems don't have the same pattern and why would it be the rinnegan when he only inherited the spiritual and not the physical
Getting hashis DNA made madara have both strong physical and strong spiritual making him have the sages chakra signature instead of the older sons strong spiritual and weak physical

 

[Uchihareborn207]

All ms and ems don't have the same pattern and why would it be the rinnegan when he only inherited the spiritual and not the physical
Getting hashis DNA made madara have both strong physical and strong spiritual making him have the sages chakra signature instead of the older sons strong spiritual and weak physical

1.sage of six paths = yin (eyes) +yang (body)
2.yin = rinnegan =sage's eyes = elder son = spiritual energy = Uchiha (rinnegan = yin and not yin + yang)
3.The elder was born with the sage's eyes

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4. when madara got hashirama DNA he got closer to the sage of six path DNA and that is why his eyes look like the eyes of the sage of six paths.
it make sense that the closer your dna get to the juuubi the more your eyes look like his.

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1.sage of six paths = yin (eyes) +yang (body)
2.yin = rinnegan =sage's eyes = elder son = spiritual energy = Uchiha (rinnegan = yin and not yin + yang)
3.The elder was born with the sage's eyes

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4. when madara got hashirama DNA he got closer to the sage of six path DNA and that is why his eyes look like the eyes of the sage of six paths.
it make sense that the closer your dna get to the juuubi the more your eyes look like his.

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the sage didn't have a yang chakra or a yin chakra he had a strong chakra consisting of both spiritual energies and physical energies; chakra is combining physical energies and spiritual energies

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the older son only inherited the spiritual energies that means he had weak physical energies;sage's spiritual energies+weak physical energies=yin chakra
younger son had sage's physical energies+weak spiritual energies=yang
sasuke's chakras resembled genjutsu-yin element when he used mangekyou, now he has another ms adding more yin
ems=yin chakra strong spirtual energies+weak physical
he then got hashi's dna for that weak physical energies
you can't have a yin chakra or yang chakra at the same time