No, I appreciate the insight. I dont think you were being an ass. I was hoping some one would come at me with manga evidence and you have at least done that. However, if that is the only leg to stand on I have to say it isn't strong enough. If you are implying Kushina could do multiple shadow clones, rasengan, sage mode and any other "technique", "jutsu" Naruto can do, I believe you are mistaken. I think she meant the way he goes about things. There is no evidence to support otherwise.
Sage mode and rasengans.? No.. I was just stating the things that naruto has that ARE NOT ninjutsu since he isn't proficient in that area just like his mother
She wasn't "any good" at ninjutsu she said that meaning she had to had tried and found herself to be lacking in skill..but at the end of the day..both our opinions r just that...opinions..because only kishi knows...I too made a point that the sage was an uzumaki so I agree with most of ur thread...I was also going to write a fanfic about it. But anyway back to the main topic...its all up for debate..neither one of us has "solid" proof..we have a few pages and opinions...everything is up for debate...I will say this...I respect ur intelligence and way of thinking...its a sigh of relief to debate with someone intelligent on this site...lol
You promoted the idea that so6p was initially uzumaki therefore he could not use ninjutsu
But you seem to forget that the so6p is not just uzumaki, he is also senju, those who can use ninjutsu if the highest level, the sage is skilled in using sealing techniques but so are the senju, the uzumaki are somewhat related to the so6p through the senju's which furthers adds to the fact the he is skilled in sealing techs but doesn't diminish his ability to use ninjutsu.
Now the picture you post is most likely the sage controlling the jubbi with his rennigan,
Gedo mazou is controlled by the rennigan(note:gedo mazou is the shell of the juubi) if a watered down rennigan of madara Is capable of controlling the shell of the Jubbi what stops the sage's rennigan from controlling the real thing ?
Im sorry but that is just not true. The most recent chapter shows the Juubi's eye, and it is the Rinnengan with the Sharingan Tomae's inside. Read "Question" in point 1. You can no longer make the argument that the Juubi's eye is not the Rinnengan because we see now that it was not a projection of the Sage's eye, but its own eyes. We know this to be true, and since it is fact, that would mean that those who believe the Sage had the Rinnengan before he faught the Juubi, believe that both he AND the Juubi both had Rinnengan when they faught. Im sorry that just seems way more unlikely to me.
Edit: Also, again the Uzumaki and Senju are distant relatives, that is all we know. And to your other point. Okay let's say I am wrong. What ninjutsu would you say he used against the Juubi? Just for fun throw some out. Let me rephrase that. Given the information we have about him and that fight (which I know isnt much) what do you think he used? We know he used is "special items" we see him holding them in the fight. Also, we know he used a sealing tech. So just give me an idea of how you think it happened.
Im sorry but that is just not true. The most recent chapter shows the Juubi's eye, and it is the Rinnengan with the Sharingan Tomae's inside. Read "Question" in point 1. You can no longer make the argument that the Juubi's eye is not the Rinnengan because we see now that it was not a projection of the Sage's eye, but its own eyes. We know this to be true, and since it is fact, that would mean that those who believe the Sage had the Rinnengan before he faught the Juubi, believe that both he AND the Juubi both had Rinnengan when they faught. Im sorry that just seems way more unlikely to me.
Right, but it seems like the pages you posted go against your point. We have seen Madara and Obito control the nine tails before with their eyes, it never required them to be on top of the Kyuubi and attached via some weird thing that comes out of the Juubi. Isn't it obvious how they are controlling them? That thing attached to their neck, not their eyes. That is the Juubi's eye, there really is no other way around it.
Sage mode and rasengans.? No.. I was just stating the things that naruto has that ARE NOT ninjutsu since he isn't proficient in that area just like his mother She wasn't "any good" at ninjutsu she said that meaning she had to had tried and found herself to be lacking in skill..but at the end of the day..both our opinions r just that...opinions..because only kishi knows...I too made a point that the sage was an uzumaki so I agree with most of ur thread...I was also going to write a fanfic about it. But anyway back to the main topic...its all up for debate..neither one of us has "solid" proof..we have a few pages and opinions...everything is up for debate...I will say this...I respect ur intelligence and way of thinking...its a sigh of relief to debate with someone intelligent on this site...lol
I do vaguely remember her saying that, but if you could find the page so I could look at it, it would be appreciated. I believe it was around the time Naruto faught the Kyuubi. But, that statement is weak evidence at best, youre right in that we can't really know what she meant.
Right, but it seems like the pages you posted go against your point. We have seen Madara and Obito control the nine tails before with their eyes, it never required them to be on top of the Kyuubi and attached via some weird thing that comes out of the Juubi. Isn't it obvious how they are controlling them? That thing attached to their neck, not their eyes. That is the Juubi's eye, there really is no other way around it.
It has been stated that tailed beasts ( The 10 tails is a tailed beast) are slaves to those with the ems,
The fact that they stand on it shows no form of control
Whe naruto first summoned gamabutu he was on his head
During the big sanin clash, each Sanin was on their respective summon
Those^ event even showed how summmons have a mind of their own, manda threaten oro and demanded food from him, gamabuta despised naruto, the fact that they are on the summon displays no control
But in the case of madara and tobi, the jubbi is being controlled with dojutsu which reflects in the eyes of the jubbi
Why would they stand on tre ground where a massive battle between tbb's is going on where as they could stay clear of stre damage while on top of the juubi.
Ms was used to control the kyubii by obito and madara, and the sharingan could be seen in the eyes if the kyubii, does that mean that the kyubi has the sharingan ? I think not
The ninetails recognised naruto's seal, but I was totally convinced when u mentioned the white hair. ***** Bravo
MODS SHOULD AWARD THIS AS THE THEORY OF THE MONTH
The children of jinchiruiki inherit the abilities of the beast. Maybe that's why the senju inherited the body and the uchiha inherited the eyes. It could help in the thread
This is going to be a detailed analysis of the SO6P and why first of all he was an Uzumaki, didn't possess the Rinnegan and couldnt use ninjutsu until after he beat the Juubi. I believe I have provided enough evidence to support these theories and there are virtually no holes. If I thought there were any holes, I would not have made the thread.
Let's begin....
Point Number 1-SO6P....The Uzumaki
In order to fully understand the point I am going to try to make, I first have to explain what I think to be true of the Uzumaki clan. A PURE Uzumaki CANNOT use ninjutsu. How many Pure Uzumaki do we know so far....?
Nagato
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Hmm okay, lets see, lets see. What is similar about these three....?
1. The Red hair. We know the Uzumaki all have red hair.
Check.
2. Their abilites.
Let's look at Kushina and Karin first, because as you all know, Nagato had something that made him a bit different. Something odd about them right? They don't seem to be able to use regular ninjutsu. Karin has incredible healing powers and is the best sensor we have seen thus far. In fact, her life force is so unique that people can suck on her arm to heal themselves...
Kushina is a tougher case to make because we have not really seen her in battle. But, from what we have seen, no ninjutsu. Only very powerful sealing techniques that she taught to Minato and like Karin, she has a very strong life force.
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3. They are the perfect hosts.
Okay, got it. So, red hair. No ninjutsu. Strong life force. Sealing techniques. Perfect hosts.
What I assume to be the two arguments..Please read before you make these arguments!
Now the point many of you are going to try to make is, "Ohhh but Nagato could use ninjutsu!" Yessss this is true, but only strengthens my argument about the SO6P. I think there is a very strong chance that without the Rinnegan, Nagato would have been just like Karin and Kushina. Strong bodied with healing and sealing powers. Why think any different? He is all of a sudden the only Uzumaki that can use ninjustu...I dont think so. In fact, he is a perfect example of what I think the SO6P became AFTER he defeated the Juubi, but I will get into that later.
"Oh, oh Naruto could use ninjutsu, he's an Uzumaki?!" Yes, but not a pure Uzumaki. His ninjutsu abilities come from his dad's side...sorry:shrug:
"Okay, but so what? Uzumaki's cant use ninjutsu, big deal? That doesn't mean the SO6P couldn't."
Oh well thank you, everyone who is not going to believe me at first, allow me to segway to my next point.
Point 2- The Sage could not use Ninjustu and didnt possess the Rinnengan until AFTER the fight with the Juubi.
As we know the Sage is the father of ninjutsu. So as far as we know, no one could use ninjutsu in his time. So the questions that arise...
1. When in his life could he use ninjutsu?
2. When did he "teach" everyone else?
For the sake of my argument, let's assume you believe me in that the SO6P was an Uzumaki. And as I stated before, the Uzumaki can not use ninjutsu. That means there was a point in his life where something changed. It had to be something big...hmmm? Could it possibly be?
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Now, there is a reason I showed that specific picture. This is because it is the ONLY picture of the Sage before he defeated the Juubi. Why is this important? Well his back is turned, and we cannot see his eyes. We know the Juubi's eye actually looks like that as we have seen in 610 so the argument that the Sage's eyes are projecting onto the Juubi is void now. So, to all the people who would like to make the argument that the Sage had rinnengan during this fight let me ask you this.
My question:
The Juubi obviously has the Rinnengan. So are you saying that it is more likely that both the Sage and the Juubi had the same eyes during this fight? Seems awfully coincidental. The Sage has the Rinnengan, and the Juubi just happens to have it too? Ehh, stick by that if you want. If you can find a picture of the sage BEFORE he faught the Juubi and he has Rinnengan I will say you are the greatest and admit you have a superior mind.
So, it seems like common sense now that the Sage didn't have those eyes until after he became the 10 tails Jinchuuriki.
All right, if he couldn't use ninjutsu how could he possibly defeat the Juubi? Well easy, go back in look at the picture. Notice anything? In his hands, you see it? That's right, the two objects. We all know the Sage possessed several very powerful objects. All of the objects the Silver n Gold brothers had, the sealing jar and we dont even know what that staff does he carries around. Something tells me it is by far the most powerful of the objects. What's so interesting about the objects? The all seemed to be based off sealing techniques. And who are the experts when it comes to sealing techniques, thats right....the Uzumaki.
I know I havent quite answered the two questions I asked, but I am about too, when I tie this all together
Now, I have laid the ground work. Time to do some convincing.
Point 3- Tying this all together.
Point one--->
Uzumaki's cannot use ninjutsu. SO6P was an Uzumaki
Point two---->
Sage of Six Paths could not use ninjutsu, nor did he have Rinnengan until after he became 10 Tails Host.
I am going to use Nagato as a point of reference for the SO6P for I believe he had everything the Sage had, besides the power of a Bijuu. It was shown Nagato had an affinity for all elements and could use the power of the Rinnegan through the six paths. We can all agree, these were powers granted by the Rinnegan for if Nagato didn't possess the Rinnengan, he could not use these abilities.
Well, if the Rinnegan granted Nagato those powers, then would it not be safe to assume it granted the Sage those powers as well? And if, the Sage's eyes come from the Juubi, then can we not also assume the Sage had none of those powers until AFTER he beat the Juubi. One thing I think we can agree, whether you think the Sage had the Rinnengan or not, was that he did have these three things before the fight with the Juubi.
1. The weapons, this is obviouss, they exist, he had them. And remember, they are based on sealing techniques.
2. The powerful body- His body was able to handle being the Juubi's host.
3. Powerful sealing techniques-He sealed the Juubi within himself. Sealed his body in the moon. A very interesting page comes to mind when I think of this point here....
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So whatever Naruto did to the Kyuubi and it looks like a very powerful sealing technique, the Sage did it too.
What is interesting is how Naruto did it. He used the seal on his stomach to perform that seal on the Fox. We all know where that seal came from right? Yess, say it with me, Naruto's dad, who learned it from Naruto's mom, an Uzumaki. It is an Uzumaki seal, and the Sage of Six Paths knew how to use an Uzumaki seal.
Look at the list of the Sage's techniques pre-juubi and look at the Uzumaki's abilites list I layed at earlier. They are nearly the same except, point number one for the Uzumaki's.....the red hair.
The Uzumaki's
1. The Red hair
2. Powerful Bodies, Powerful Life Force
3. Powerful Sealing techniques
The Sage, pre-Juubi fight. This is what we know he had.
1. His weapons
2. Powerful Body
3. Powerful Sealing Techniques
Now this is cool, if some one can find me a picture of the pre juubi fight Sage that is not darkened then please present it and here's why. We know the Sage had white hair, or lighter hair I guess for we can never know till the manga is colored. But we know at least he had white hair towards the end of his life. The reason I believe he is always darkened when he is young is because yes, he had red hair. And his hair doesn't turn white until after he pulls the 10 tails from his body. Because what do we know about Uzumakis?
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When they stress their bodies their hair turns white. What would be more stressful on the body than pulling the 10 tails from you and splitting it into 9 beasts..?
So to my earlier questions:
1. When could the Sage use ninjutsu.
Not until after he sealed the Juubi in himself and obtained the Rinnengan. Look at Nagato, when he got the Rinnengan he became an Uzumaki who could use a number of ninjutsu's, something we haven't seen from that clan.
2. When did he "teach" everyone how to use ninjutsu.
Simple, he didn't. It was not until after his fight with the Juubi that people could use chakra the way they do in present time. The Juubi IS chakra. When the Sage tamed it, from then on the power of NATURE itself could be harnessed by man.
I realize this is a very long post and I know I am going to get a bunch of "didn't read"'s. Thats fine, if you dont think you can put your big boy pants on and read the whole thing just read point 3, it kind of summarizes. Refer back to points 1 and 2 if you arent getting it. Thank you to all who read it, I hope it makes sense and whether you agree or disagree I look forward to hearing your comments.
This seems oddly, even suspiciously similar to a thread I made yesterday. You had many different, original and good points, however, so I'm not accusing you of anything. If I can figure something out, other people could just as easily. However, it IS a bit strange how closely the two threads were posted.
The Sage was a Senju. His eyes, the Rinnegan, (and the Sharingan) share features with the Juubi's eye. Jinchuuriki are proven to attain certain traits from their contained being, such as Bee's ability to spit ink, and Kushina's crazy hair. So the possibility definitely exists for the Sage's fabled Rinnegan originating from his pet world-destroying demon.
And the Sage's longevity genes wouldn't have come from the Juubi, if anything it'd be reduced. Jinchuuriki die young, and rampage-mode cuts down on life-expectancy and may even harm genetic material.
On the other hand, the Juubi is stated to be the source of all chakra by Kurama:
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and this ties in neatly with the Sage being the source of all ninjutsu. Power and control.
The great doujutsu, any of them, don't function well (or at all) without chakra, and wouldn't exactly be in the forefront of the gene pool.
Long life and extreme vitality, however, would. Sage = Senju.
As you may have gathered from this, I disagreed with the Sage being an Uzumaki, and I still do. Senju also have extreme vitality as well, and though they aren't as reknowed for their sealing abilities, they still HAVE some, as Tobirama proves with the creation of the Edo Tensei, Tsunade with her Forehead Seal, and Hashirama with the Contract Breaking Seal (that may be non-canon though) and the Scroll of Forbidden Seals.
The Senju also, unlike the Uzumaki (as far as I can recall) are/were proficient at making powerful objects. Like the Shodaime's Necklace:
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As to the Sage being unable to use ninjutsu pre-Sealing, it's an interesting thought. However, as Kurama states, the Juubi is the source of all chakra, and as such people being ABLE to use ninjutsu had little to do with whether the Sage was a Jinchuuriki or not. He may have been the source of ninjutsu, but he didn't IMPLANT the ability to use ninjutsu into anyone, and I see no reason why people, even the Sage himself, couldn't use ninjutsu before he became a Jinchuuriki.
This is going to be a detailed analysis of the SO6P and why first of all he was an Uzumaki, didn't possess the Rinnegan and couldnt use ninjutsu until after he beat the Juubi. I believe I have provided enough evidence to support these theories and there are virtually no holes. If I thought there were any holes, I would not have made the thread.
Let's begin....
Point Number 1-SO6P....The Uzumaki
In order to fully understand the point I am going to try to make, I first have to explain what I think to be true of the Uzumaki clan. A PURE Uzumaki CANNOT use ninjutsu. How many Pure Uzumaki do we know so far....?
Nagato
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Karin
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Kushina
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Hmm okay, lets see, lets see. What is similar about these three....?
1. The Red hair. We know the Uzumaki all have red hair.
Check.
2. Their abilites.
Let's look at Kushina and Karin first, because as you all know, Nagato had something that made him a bit different. Something odd about them right? They don't seem to be able to use regular ninjutsu. Karin has incredible healing powers and is the best sensor we have seen thus far. In fact, her life force is so unique that people can suck on her arm to heal themselves...
Kushina is a tougher case to make because we have not really seen her in battle. But, from what we have seen, no ninjutsu. Only very powerful sealing techniques that she taught to Minato and like Karin, she has a very strong life force.
Check
3. They are the perfect hosts.
Okay, got it. So, red hair. No ninjutsu. Strong life force. Sealing techniques. Perfect hosts.
What I assume to be the two arguments..Please read before you make these arguments!
Now the point many of you are going to try to make is, "Ohhh but Nagato could use ninjutsu!" Yessss this is true, but only strengthens my argument about the SO6P. I think there is a very strong chance that without the Rinnegan, Nagato would have been just like Karin and Kushina. Strong bodied with healing and sealing powers. Why think any different? He is all of a sudden the only Uzumaki that can use ninjustu...I dont think so. In fact, he is a perfect example of what I think the SO6P became AFTER he defeated the Juubi, but I will get into that later.
"Oh, oh Naruto could use ninjutsu, he's an Uzumaki?!" Yes, but not a pure Uzumaki. His ninjutsu abilities come from his dad's side...sorry:shrug:
"Okay, but so what? Uzumaki's cant use ninjutsu, big deal? That doesn't mean the SO6P couldn't."
Oh well thank you, everyone who is not going to believe me at first, allow me to segway to my next point.
Point 2- The Sage could not use Ninjustu and didnt possess the Rinnengan until AFTER the fight with the Juubi.
As we know the Sage is the father of ninjutsu. So as far as we know, no one could use ninjutsu in his time. So the questions that arise...
1. When in his life could he use ninjutsu?
2. When did he "teach" everyone else?
For the sake of my argument, let's assume you believe me in that the SO6P was an Uzumaki. And as I stated before, the Uzumaki can not use ninjutsu. That means there was a point in his life where something changed. It had to be something big...hmmm? Could it possibly be?
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Now, there is a reason I showed that specific picture. This is because it is the ONLY picture of the Sage before he defeated the Juubi. Why is this important? Well his back is turned, and we cannot see his eyes. We know the Juubi's eye actually looks like that as we have seen in 610 so the argument that the Sage's eyes are projecting onto the Juubi is void now. So, to all the people who would like to make the argument that the Sage had rinnengan during this fight let me ask you this.
My question:
The Juubi obviously has the Rinnengan. So are you saying that it is more likely that both the Sage and the Juubi had the same eyes during this fight? Seems awfully coincidental. The Sage has the Rinnengan, and the Juubi just happens to have it too? Ehh, stick by that if you want. If you can find a picture of the sage BEFORE he faught the Juubi and he has Rinnengan I will say you are the greatest and admit you have a superior mind.
So, it seems like common sense now that the Sage didn't have those eyes until after he became the 10 tails Jinchuuriki.
All right, if he couldn't use ninjutsu how could he possibly defeat the Juubi? Well easy, go back in look at the picture. Notice anything? In his hands, you see it? That's right, the two objects. We all know the Sage possessed several very powerful objects. All of the objects the Silver n Gold brothers had, the sealing jar and we dont even know what that staff does he carries around. Something tells me it is by far the most powerful of the objects. What's so interesting about the objects? The all seemed to be based off sealing techniques. And who are the experts when it comes to sealing techniques, thats right....the Uzumaki.
I know I havent quite answered the two questions I asked, but I am about too, when I tie this all together
Now, I have laid the ground work. Time to do some convincing.
Point 3- Tying this all together.
Point one--->
Uzumaki's cannot use ninjutsu. SO6P was an Uzumaki
Point two---->
Sage of Six Paths could not use ninjutsu, nor did he have Rinnengan until after he became 10 Tails Host.
I am going to use Nagato as a point of reference for the SO6P for I believe he had everything the Sage had, besides the power of a Bijuu. It was shown Nagato had an affinity for all elements and could use the power of the Rinnegan through the six paths. We can all agree, these were powers granted by the Rinnegan for if Nagato didn't possess the Rinnengan, he could not use these abilities.
Well, if the Rinnegan granted Nagato those powers, then would it not be safe to assume it granted the Sage those powers as well? And if, the Sage's eyes come from the Juubi, then can we not also assume the Sage had none of those powers until AFTER he beat the Juubi. One thing I think we can agree, whether you think the Sage had the Rinnengan or not, was that he did have these three things before the fight with the Juubi.
1. The weapons, this is obviouss, they exist, he had them. And remember, they are based on sealing techniques.
2. The powerful body- His body was able to handle being the Juubi's host.
3. Powerful sealing techniques-He sealed the Juubi within himself. Sealed his body in the moon. A very interesting page comes to mind when I think of this point here....
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So whatever Naruto did to the Kyuubi and it looks like a very powerful sealing technique, the Sage did it too.
What is interesting is how Naruto did it. He used the seal on his stomach to perform that seal on the Fox. We all know where that seal came from right? Yess, say it with me, Naruto's dad, who learned it from Naruto's mom, an Uzumaki. It is an Uzumaki seal, and the Sage of Six Paths knew how to use an Uzumaki seal.
Look at the list of the Sage's techniques pre-juubi and look at the Uzumaki's abilites list I layed at earlier. They are nearly the same except, point number one for the Uzumaki's.....the red hair.
The Uzumaki's
1. The Red hair
2. Powerful Bodies, Powerful Life Force
3. Powerful Sealing techniques
The Sage, pre-Juubi fight. This is what we know he had.
1. His weapons
2. Powerful Body
3. Powerful Sealing Techniques
Now this is cool, if some one can find me a picture of the pre juubi fight Sage that is not darkened then please present it and here's why. We know the Sage had white hair, or lighter hair I guess for we can never know till the manga is colored. But we know at least he had white hair towards the end of his life. The reason I believe he is always darkened when he is young is because yes, he had red hair. And his hair doesn't turn white until after he pulls the 10 tails from his body. Because what do we know about Uzumakis?
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When they stress their bodies their hair turns white. What would be more stressful on the body than pulling the 10 tails from you and splitting it into 9 beasts..?
So to my earlier questions:
1. When could the Sage use ninjutsu.
Not until after he sealed the Juubi in himself and obtained the Rinnengan. Look at Nagato, when he got the Rinnengan he became an Uzumaki who could use a number of ninjutsu's, something we haven't seen from that clan.
2. When did he "teach" everyone how to use ninjutsu.
Simple, he didn't. It was not until after his fight with the Juubi that people could use chakra the way they do in present time. The Juubi IS chakra. When the Sage tamed it, from then on the power of NATURE itself could be harnessed by man.
I realize this is a very long post and I know I am going to get a bunch of "didn't read"'s. Thats fine, if you dont think you can put your big boy pants on and read the whole thing just read point 3, it kind of summarizes. Refer back to points 1 and 2 if you arent getting it. Thank you to all who read it, I hope it makes sense and whether you agree or disagree I look forward to hearing your comments.
My theory is that so6p left some scrolls that the uzumaki stole and learned fuinjutsu from . and the sage had reningan from start perfect eyes + perfect body . And when the jubbi was sealed in him his reningan had the infuence of 10 tails n he passed on sharingan to future gen
Everyone knows the sage of six paths can beat the most powerfull thing in the world with fisticuffs.
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solid thread + Rep. Always believed the SO6P was Uzumaki, but never had any solid proof like you did to make such a thread that can't be countered with proof. The only thing I still have doubts on is Kushina, since Naruto wiki suggests that her chakra chains are classified as ninjutsu. Other than that, to everyone who is saying SO6P is Uzumaki, and Senju are wrong. They are distant relatives, not descendants like everyone claims. The term Distant Relatives can be interpreted in different ways, some say it could be a second or third cousin, others say it's over a long period of time (especially Japan and U.K.) If Kishi used it as a relative over many generations, meaning different time periods, how can SO6P be both at once. Logically, SO6P was one of the two, whichever was there first, and since Senju could do a large variety of ninjutsu, and Uzumaki couldn't do any; leads to the thought that the Uzumaki Clan was there first. Once the SO6P had sealed the Juubi inside him, he received the eyes and body (not sure about the body).
