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Who's to say a soul can't be split apart?
Minato also sealed half of the kyuubi if I'm not mistaking.

I'd say they're both Madara, and that the tobi part might be using a zetsu vessel along with uchiha and senju DNA in it.

After all, everything Tobi said seems to be exactly what the edo Madara said as well.
 

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Objective analysis....but you left out two candidates,one: the first uchiha.

This guy inherited his power from the sage of the 6 paths, he has motive, would have had ability and a deep rooted hatred for the senju.

Also, when Tobi talks to Naruto about the Sage and his sons, he almost sounds as if recalling a memory. Besides, Tobi could'nt know all that info on the Sage and his paths.....even Madara would'nt/should'nt know that much.

If Tobi were Kagami or Izuna, Obito etc Madara would be the boss, Tobi would follow him but i'm not sure if that's the case here. Tobi is going his own path, as suggested by Kabuto.
2nd:
Another option is Fugaku Uchiha, Sasuke and Itachi's dad. I know, some people say he was killed, but consider this: on the night when Tobi attacks with the Kyuubi, he's missing in action despite being head of police:



Also, it would explain why Tobi has always been friendly to both itachi and sasuke, and why he did'nt condemn itachi even after he knew he had betrayed Akatsuki. Or why he was so reluctant to hand Sasuke over to Kabuto even after he knew Madara was in the 6th coffin.

I'm not sure who Tobi is, he could be Goku super saiyan 4 for all we know, but just throwing it out there.
 

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Who's to say a soul can't be split apart?
Minato also sealed half of the kyuubi if I'm not mistaking.

I'd say they're both Madara, and that the tobi part might be using a zetsu vessel along with uchiha and senju DNA in it.

After all, everything Tobi said seems to be exactly what the edo Madara said as well.
Manga says. Minato sealed Kyuubi's ying chakra, not his soul(not sure if he has one). Dead demon seal can seal anything, even a rock if you would want to.

The fact that one part of soul exists in pure(real Madara) world and the other one is in inpure world(Tobi) is more then silly to me, and makes summoning Madara through Edo Tensei impossible.
 

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Your post is actually good. I basically agree with either the madara or izuna theories. Kagami I'm still kind of iffy on because there is not enough character development or even evidence that could prove it's him. I completely disagree that Tobi is Obito, Obito is dead and gone and besides he had no motives on taking over the world or starting a war for no reason.
 
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Listen it is really simple. If Kishi showed IN THE NEXT CHAPTER that Tobi was Kagami or Obito, you know who would be the only one's reading it? The people who said that it was them. He would lose so much money because it would be so stupid.

Some obvious points you left out.

1 - Obito's body is CRUSHED ENTIRELY. The WHOLE CAVE COLLAPSES. Does Zetsu come that fast and say hey Obito you can't even shave yet but I think I am going to take the side of your body that wasn't crushed but the Sharingan is gone anyway because Kakashi has it now and I am also going to make you really hate the world after you said how much you were starting to love everyone and how you were finally starting to get along with Kakashi? Comon this is nonsense.

2 - You said that Kagami was part of Team Tobirama but he wasn't. Team Tobirama was Sarutobi and the 2 Konoha Elders. Kagami HAPPENED to be be on a team with Tobirama later in life when Danzo and a couple of other people joined it. Just like we wouldn't say team Kakashi has Kiba or Rock-Lee in it because they were both part of Team Kakashi/7 when they were looking for Sasuke. I know that he isn't in that picture when the Kyuubi collapses but I don't think Kishi would show us that ONE PICTURE and hint at us to use it as proof to prove it is Kagami. I would believe it was Kagami before Obito though.


 
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''Kagami was an Uchiha that served with Team Tobirama during the First Shinobi world war''

Read through it again mate. I know he wasn't part of Team Tobirama, he was an acquaintance during the first war...
Yes I read that part, unfortunately I used wiki-Naruto which isn't 100% like all wiki's and was too lazy to look for the actual manga where it shows that picture I linked (Would have taken me forever, I don't even know if its from original Naruto or Shippuden :shrug:).

I don't understand your post thought. Are you disagreeing with what I said with the quote and then also agreeing with what I said? :p

And hopefully you are not taking it personal, I wasn't trying to bash your theory, it was very well done (your original post). I was just talking in general. A lot of people use the fact that Kagami served with Tobirama and therefore was a part of Team Tobirama (which he wasn't - like your quote - "that served WITH Team Tobirama during the First Shinobi World War") and learned his S/T Technique from him (Since Minato says that Tobirama was really good with S/T Techs/Jutsus) which makes no sense to me.

Point is Kagami was shown in one chapter, it would be so hard for Kishi to have Tobi take off his mask and then it be Kagami because a good portion of Naruto readers (not one's on here obviously) would have to go back and be like who the hell is that? And would take Kishi so much time/chapters to explain what happened. Then again it can honestly be anyone including Kagami or Obito since Kishi is the Ultimate Troll xd But seriously it can be anyone because Kishi can just make up something and who would we be to say that can't be...it's wrong. I just think logically it can't/won't be Obito or Kagami. Fugaku I believe before them because I believe NB Member BarBoBot has made some really great posts/arguments that I have read that make me question some things.
 

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Yes I read that part, unfortunately I used wiki-Naruto which isn't 100% like all wiki's and was too lazy to look for the actual manga where it shows that picture I linked (Would have taken me forever, I don't even know if its from original Naruto or Shippuden :shrug:).

I don't understand your post thought. Are you disagreeing with what I said with the quote and then also agreeing with what I said? :p

And hopefully you are not taking it personal, I wasn't trying to bash your theory, it was very well done (your original post). I was just talking in general. A lot of people use the fact that Kagami served with Tobirama and therefore was a part of Team Tobirama (which he wasn't - like your quote - "that served WITH Team Tobirama during the First Shinobi World War") and learned his S/T Technique from him (Since Minato says that Tobirama was really good with S/T Techs/Jutsus) which makes no sense to me.

Point is Kagami was shown in one chapter, it would be so hard for Kishi to have Tobi take off his mask and then it be Kagami because a good portion of Naruto readers (not one's on here obviously) would have to go back and be like who the hell is that? And would take Kishi so much time/chapters to explain what happened. Then again it can honestly be anyone including Kagami or Obito since Kishi is the Ultimate Troll xd But seriously it can be anyone because Kishi can just make up something and who would we be to say that can't be...it's wrong. I just think logically it can't/won't be Obito or Kagami. Fugaku I believe before them because I believe NB Member BarBoBot has made some really great posts/arguments that I have read that make me question some things.
I agree to an extent but we never knew who Nagato was, but Pain's mystery was pulled off pretty well.
 

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*applauds* You thought this through! I enjoyed reading your explanation as to why you think it is Kagami, Obito, Madara, and Izuna. You deserve some +respect for this.
 

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As the long awaited face of Tobi is going to be revealed, After many days of continuous research I have come up with a whole bunch of reasons on who Tobi could be.

In no particular order
- Kagami Uchiha
- Obito Uchiha/Zetsu
- Madara Uchiha
- Izuna Uchiha

Okay, let's begin.

Case #1, Kagami Uchiha

What do we know about him?
- Kagami was an Uchiha that served with Team Tobirama during the First Shinobi world war, he was an acquaintance of the Third Hokage and Danzo.

Why do people believe he could be Tobi?
- There is very little known about Kagami, he is believed to have died sometime before or during the Uchiha clan massacre.

Evidence

Here, we can see team Tobirama and Torifu Akimichi fighting against the Nine-tails, the only two people missing from that group is Danzo and Kagami, I'm pretty sure everyone knows that Danzo is not Tobi, therefore, since there is no evidence to prove the death of Kagami Uchiha, many believe that he is Tobi.

- Tobirama Senju was a skilled Space/Time jutsu user. The only other two skilled users (apart from summoning) are Minato and Tobi, since Kagami possessed a Sharingan, commonly known as the Copy Wheel Eye. He somehow could have seen Tobirama Senju in action and use his Space/Time jutsu's, in order for Kagami to copy them. It is one of the only vague evidence that could show how Tobi is such a skilled user in Space/Time jutsu's.

- Madara was full with hatred when he was not chosen as Hokage, when we saw Hiruzen Sarutobi appointed to Third Hokage, we only saw the state of shock that Danzo was in. knowing Kishi, he could have tried and outlined Kagami's reaction, to if Tobi was to be Kagami, it would be as part of his explanation to the hatred of Konoha.

- Tobi and Madara both share the same ambition, the Infinite Tsukuyomi . Incredibly little is known about Tobi as well, apart from the fact he is quite old, if Kagami was an apprentice or a relative of Madara, and if them two shared a close bond of some sort, that is how Tobi could have known so much about Madara, about his fight with Hashirama, and how he was to conclude Madaras plan of controlling the shinobi world.

Why people believe Kagami is not Tobi
- His character is too naive, almost like a character who will just show up once in the past and have no importance in the future of the manga.
- The Konoha Elders stated that they were the only ones of their generation left, after the information that Danzo died reached to them. However, this could be countered by the fact that no one knows when or where Kagami died, he could have left the village and taken the persona of Tobi.

To conclude, Kagami Uchiha has quite a lot of evidence to prove that he is Tobi, however, the evidence to prove could also be considered vague since very little is known about him.

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Case #2, Obito Uchiha

What do we know about him?
- Part of Team Minato with Rin and Kakashi.
- Willingly sacrificed himself to save Kakashi, result - right side of his body crushed by a rock.
- Gave his left eye to Kakashi while on his deathbed.

Why do people believe he is Tobi?
Ahh, Obito. One of the oldest theories about who Tobi is. People believe part of him, most likely the right side of his body, are Zetsu parts.

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Here we can see Tobi cutting of his arm while it is being infected by bugs. However, we do not see blood, rather a white substance that matches the same colour as Zetsu.

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Here, Tobi has re-grown his entire arm again, this time we can see a white liquid flowing down, which marks that Tobi has regenerated his arm.

- Both of these evidences could point to the fact that Obito is covered in Zetsu parts, and uses them to regenerate himself if he has lost a body part during a battle.

- Tobi's space/time absorption jutsu is incredibly similar to Kakashi's Kamui

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- If Obito was to have survived from the rocks, him and Kakashi would have the same Sharingan, and since Kakashi's sharingan is Obito's, Obito too would have a jutsu similar or exactly the same as Kamui. But since Obito is an Uchiha, he would have it to a greater level.

Why people believe Obito is not Tobi
There is really no reason why Obito would want to destroy Konoha, and resurrect the Juubi. He has no relation to Madara, apart from the fact they are both Uchiha, and even the letters of Obito could be rearranged to make Tobi (obviously). It seems to be too obvious that the reasons provided that Obito is Tobi, are there just to distracts us and make us believe it. However, I can not see any reason why Obito would want to destroy Konoha, only if he was to be in a genjutsu from Madara, or Madara's soul is in Obito's body. Which seems rather unlikely. However, I do not also see why either if it wasn't Obito, Tobi needs the help of Zetsu body parts. Unless Tobi himself has lost those body parts in an even that we do not know off.

All in all, many people still believe Obito could be Tobi because there are obvious reasons that point to that conclusion, however, other people believe he isn't Tobi because there aren't any proof that suggests why Obito wants Konoha to be destructed, and some evidence are there just to fool with us (Obito=Tobi)

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Case #3, Madara Uchiha

What do we know about him?
- Madara Uchiha was the leader of the Uchiha clan
- He possessed the Eternal Mangekyou Sharingan and the Rinnegan
- He did not die in the battle with the First Hokage.

Why people believe he is Tobi
There are many great amount of evidence which can suggest why Madara is Tobi.

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- Sometime during Nagato's early years, since Madara did not die in the battle with the first hokage, he must have visited or at least known about Nagato or his powers, in order for him to give Nagato the Rinnegan knowing it's powers as well. he believed that Nagato would bring him back with the Jutsu he used to bring back the people of Konoha, Rinne Tensei Which is why he believed that is how he was brought back as soon as he stepped out of his coffin.

- This could also relate to Tobi stating that Nagato's Rinnegan is rightfully his. And he is merely taking back what he intentionally gave Nagato as part of a fulfillment which Nagato did not do. As in bringing back the old Madara so that Tobi and Madara could be reunited.

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- Tobi states that Nagato should have used the Rinne Tensei on him. And since Rinne Tensei brings the soul of the person from the pure world into the body of the impure world. Kishi could have raped our minds by making the readers believe Tobi wants to be connected to Madara again. Hence the famous saying ''Tobi is a shell of his former self''

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The same point made with Kagami, Madara shares the same plan as Tobi. However, he wouldn't trust everyone with secrets like this, which is why people believe he could be Tobi because who else is better to trust, than himself?

Reasons why people believe he is not Tobi
- The Impure world resurrection needs the soul to be in the pure world, if Tobi really is Madara, then he cannot be resurrected as the soul of Madara will be in the impure world (Shinobi world)
- Kabuto makes it sound like Tobi and Madara agreed to a plan, Tobi was to continue the Infinite Tsukuyomi plan even after Madara had died. Which is why he took Madara's persona, ''Even the name itself is power''. But he also makes it sound like Tobi isn't Madara, and is someone with a consciousness of his own and will most likely not follow with the original plan intended between Madara and Tobi.

All in all, Madara is the toughest one to analyze, as soon as he was resurrected, people started loosing hope. However, in the later chapters there are more points which are starting to come clear. But we still cannot forget the rules of each jutsu, and that Madara is still human, but anything is possible

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Case #4, Izuna Uchiha

What do we know about him?
- Madara's brother
- Possessed the Mangekyou Sharingan
- Supposedly gave his MS to Madara after he went blind.

Why people believe he could be Tobi
- One of the closest relatives of Madara, someone who is most likely going to know everything about Madara, and his life. Since Tobi is extremely knowledgeable about the Uchiha, the Senju and the Sage of the Six Path, he must be someone of experience and age, but not everyone knows everything about Madara. And if Tobi himself is not Madara, then people could believe that the closest person possible is Izuna.

- Tobi seems extremely skilled for someone with a normal Sharingan. And it also never seems to de-activate. And since Izuna gave his eyes to Madara. People could think that Madara gave Izuna another pair of Sharingan, which would also relate to how Izuna knows everything about the powers of the Mangekyou Sharingan.

- Izuna has a reason to be full of hatred from Konoha, because it defected the Uchiha clan and he gave his powers away for nothing. Not only that, but when they had come up with a truce, the Senju would rule Konoha while the Uchiha would slowly be segregated away from society and loose all power they had. Which Izuna's brother Madara thought, and when he died. People believe He could have given Izuna his EMS and told him to fulfill the Infinite Tsukuyomi plan. Which is also why Tobi again, stated that the Rinnegan that Nagato possessed was rightfully his in the first place, he only gave it to him so he could bring back his deceased brother, and now that he can't, he wants it back.

Why people believe he is not Tobi
- We have seen proof of his corpse. However, who says Tobi wasn't lying, he could have made up the story.
- When Madara is at shock to find out that he was brought back using Edo Tensei, he assumes it is Tobi, but says it in a way to express anger, rather than thankfulness. Meaning he didn't keep a close relationship to Tobi, and if Tobi was Izuna, this breaks that logic as both Madara and Izuna were extremely close brothers.

For Izuna, there is an extremely little evidence to support the reasons. One must think hugely for these situations to happen, however, it could still happen, which is why people believe this.

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Conclusion

I am still stuck on who is really Tobi, but I have provided myself with facts from both sides on each and every one of the four people. Please feel free to provide even more evidence, and correct me in some places where I am wrong. So I guess there is really nothing more to say but...

What do you think?
seriously what about fugaku or mikoto

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why wasnt mikoto wasnt with her new born and fugagku
the nine tails didnt even attack then


Could be a uzumaki ...That few survivors bit
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What about Konohamrus dad who we have no idea about
SAru TOBI



These are so many questions personally i think all the above
but i have that expect the unexpected .... you can either
try to make the effort about my personal theories or u cant and u can hate
either way no one knows for sure sooo....hell i dont know.....but these TONI threads are pissing me off .....guys just dont try to die these next 2 years or u will never know?
 

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- Tobirama Senju was a skilled Space/Time jutsu user. The only other two skilled users (apart from summoning) are Minato and Tobi, since Kagami possessed a Sharingan, commonly known as the Copy Wheel Eye. He somehow could have seen Tobirama Senju in action and use his Space/Time jutsu's, in order for Kagami to copy them. It is one of the only vague evidence that could show how Tobi is such a skilled user in Space/Time jutsu's.
Interesting but if Tobi is indeed a Copy Ninja...why didn't him demonstrate the Hairashin since he battled the Minato
 

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why cant tobi be tobi?
Because he wears a mask, and has been using the name "Madara", which is obviously a lie. He wears a mask because people would recognize him without it. He isn't the "real" Madara, we know that now.

The biggest piece of evidence that we ever had for Obito, was that Tobi only ever showed 1 eye through his mask. Obito had only one eye, because the other was given to Kakashi. However, in the fight against Konan we saw that Tobi had both eyes, so that piece of evidence is worthless now.

I don't think it's impossible that Tobi can be some sort of combination of Obito's body plus Zetsu slime, but I don't think it's likely. It's far more likely that Tobi is just a rogue Zetsu clone of another Uchiha. For instance, Tobi could easily be a Zetsu clone of Kagami Uchiha or even Fugaku Uchiha (who was notably missing during the Fox attack, and would have known about Kushina's pregnancy and timeline, and maybe even security information since he was the head of the police force).

We have never seen Tobi use EMS, so either he doesn't have it (Kagami and Fugaku weren't known to have it) or he hides it (if he's Madara or a Madara clone, he's hiding it). If he's Izuna, he had it but lost it and is using borrowed eyes (which explains why he never appears to deactivate his sharingan, because like Kakashi and Danzo, you can't deactivate a sharingan that's been transplanted).

There are lots of good options, all of which are plausible. In the end, Kishi is just going to pick one and reveal it. There's no way we can know for certain yet, because we don't have enough information to choose.

There are lots of plausible options. Combine the fact that
 
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Interesting but if Tobi is indeed a Copy Ninja...why didn't him demonstrate the Hairashin since he battled the Minato
All Sharingan users can copy techniques. Kakashi is called the "Copy Ninja" because he's one of the only sharingan users left and has copied many techniques. Sasuke can copy hand seals too, but he has a few powerful techniques he likes to use instead of mastering lots of them.

The Flying Thunder God technique doesn't use hand seals. The user uses special markings and imparts them with chakra and transports to them instantly. When Minato fought Tobi, he had a rasengan in one hand and still teleported, proving that FTG doesn't use hand seals. The sharingan can only copy hand seals, which is why something like the Rasengan can't be copied by sharingan alone (that's why Sasuke doesn't use it, even if it's more powerful than chidori).
 
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All Sharingan users can copy techniques. Kakashi is called the "Copy Ninja" because he's one of the only sharingan users left and has copied many techniques. Sasuke can copy hand seals too, but he has a few powerful techniques he likes to use instead of mastering lots of them.

The Flying Thunder God technique doesn't use hand seals. The user uses special markings and imparts them with chakra and transports to them instantly. When Minato fought Tobi, he had a rasengan in one hand and still teleported, proving that FTG doesn't use hand seals. The sharingan can only copy hand seals, which is why something like the Rasengan can't be copied by sharingan alone (that's why Sasuke doesn't use it, even if it's more powerful than chidori).
Exactly, good point. FTG uses a Jutsu/Seal Formula/Equation, no hand seals. And also great point with the rasengan because it would just make sense for Sharingan user's to use it because any half intelligent ninja is going to say wow that is extremely powerful.
 

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He might be a Zetsu but a more complete one....Zetsu is the most interesting character yet little is known, he can phase into and through objects, we dont know how long he's been around because he records battles and hides in walls to gather intel, if he was around during the Sage era he would know about them and the Hashirama vs Madara battle.

Zetsu is a yin yang kinda character with the blk/white seemingly representing 2 halfs of something. one half the elder son of the sage and the other half the younger, each representing one that would be Senju and the other uchiha...IDK...he is interesting though.

He can absorb and copy chakra which would explain his (tobi) wanting the tailed beast, i dont think a normal person would or even strong shinobi would be able to house the energy from all 9 coz even the Sage had to divide it. yet another reason for him to experiment and gather eyes and techniques for perfect his body. IDK just throwing shit out there.
 

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As the long awaited face of Tobi is going to be revealed, After many days of continuous research I have come up with a whole bunch of reasons on who Tobi could be.

In no particular order
- Kagami Uchiha
- Obito Uchiha/Zetsu
- Madara Uchiha
- Izuna Uchiha

Okay, let's begin.

Case #1, Kagami Uchiha

What do we know about him?
- Kagami was an Uchiha that served with Team Tobirama during the First Shinobi world war, he was an acquaintance of the Third Hokage and Danzo.

Why do people believe he could be Tobi?
- There is very little known about Kagami, he is believed to have died sometime before or during the Uchiha clan massacre.

Evidence

Here, we can see team Tobirama and Torifu Akimichi fighting against the Nine-tails, the only two people missing from that group is Danzo and Kagami, I'm pretty sure everyone knows that Danzo is not Tobi, therefore, since there is no evidence to prove the death of Kagami Uchiha, many believe that he is Tobi.

- Tobirama Senju was a skilled Space/Time jutsu user. The only other two skilled users (apart from summoning) are Minato and Tobi, since Kagami possessed a Sharingan, commonly known as the Copy Wheel Eye. He somehow could have seen Tobirama Senju in action and use his Space/Time jutsu's, in order for Kagami to copy them. It is one of the only vague evidence that could show how Tobi is such a skilled user in Space/Time jutsu's.

- Madara was full with hatred when he was not chosen as Hokage, when we saw Hiruzen Sarutobi appointed to Third Hokage, we only saw the state of shock that Danzo was in. knowing Kishi, he could have tried and outlined Kagami's reaction, to if Tobi was to be Kagami, it would be as part of his explanation to the hatred of Konoha.

- Tobi and Madara both share the same ambition, the Infinite Tsukuyomi . Incredibly little is known about Tobi as well, apart from the fact he is quite old, if Kagami was an apprentice or a relative of Madara, and if them two shared a close bond of some sort, that is how Tobi could have known so much about Madara, about his fight with Hashirama, and how he was to conclude Madaras plan of controlling the shinobi world.

Why people believe Kagami is not Tobi
- His character is too naive, almost like a character who will just show up once in the past and have no importance in the future of the manga.
- The Konoha Elders stated that they were the only ones of their generation left, after the information that Danzo died reached to them. However, this could be countered by the fact that no one knows when or where Kagami died, he could have left the village and taken the persona of Tobi.

To conclude, Kagami Uchiha has quite a lot of evidence to prove that he is Tobi, however, the evidence to prove could also be considered vague since very little is known about him.

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Case #2, Obito Uchiha

What do we know about him?
- Part of Team Minato with Rin and Kakashi.
- Willingly sacrificed himself to save Kakashi, result - right side of his body crushed by a rock.
- Gave his left eye to Kakashi while on his deathbed.

Why do people believe he is Tobi?
Ahh, Obito. One of the oldest theories about who Tobi is. People believe part of him, most likely the right side of his body, are Zetsu parts.

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Here we can see Tobi cutting of his arm while it is being infected by bugs. However, we do not see blood, rather a white substance that matches the same colour as Zetsu.

Evidence 2
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Here, Tobi has re-grown his entire arm again, this time we can see a white liquid flowing down, which marks that Tobi has regenerated his arm.

- Both of these evidences could point to the fact that Obito is covered in Zetsu parts, and uses them to regenerate himself if he has lost a body part during a battle.

- Tobi's space/time absorption jutsu is incredibly similar to Kakashi's Kamui

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- If Obito was to have survived from the rocks, him and Kakashi would have the same Sharingan, and since Kakashi's sharingan is Obito's, Obito too would have a jutsu similar or exactly the same as Kamui. But since Obito is an Uchiha, he would have it to a greater level.

Why people believe Obito is not Tobi
There is really no reason why Obito would want to destroy Konoha, and resurrect the Juubi. He has no relation to Madara, apart from the fact they are both Uchiha, and even the letters of Obito could be rearranged to make Tobi (obviously). It seems to be too obvious that the reasons provided that Obito is Tobi, are there just to distracts us and make us believe it. However, I can not see any reason why Obito would want to destroy Konoha, only if he was to be in a genjutsu from Madara, or Madara's soul is in Obito's body. Which seems rather unlikely. However, I do not also see why either if it wasn't Obito, Tobi needs the help of Zetsu body parts. Unless Tobi himself has lost those body parts in an even that we do not know off.

All in all, many people still believe Obito could be Tobi because there are obvious reasons that point to that conclusion, however, other people believe he isn't Tobi because there aren't any proof that suggests why Obito wants Konoha to be destructed, and some evidence are there just to fool with us (Obito=Tobi)

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Case #3, Madara Uchiha

What do we know about him?
- Madara Uchiha was the leader of the Uchiha clan
- He possessed the Eternal Mangekyou Sharingan and the Rinnegan
- He did not die in the battle with the First Hokage.

Why people believe he is Tobi
There are many great amount of evidence which can suggest why Madara is Tobi.

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- Sometime during Nagato's early years, since Madara did not die in the battle with the first hokage, he must have visited or at least known about Nagato or his powers, in order for him to give Nagato the Rinnegan knowing it's powers as well. he believed that Nagato would bring him back with the Jutsu he used to bring back the people of Konoha, Rinne Tensei Which is why he believed that is how he was brought back as soon as he stepped out of his coffin.

- This could also relate to Tobi stating that Nagato's Rinnegan is rightfully his. And he is merely taking back what he intentionally gave Nagato as part of a fulfillment which Nagato did not do. As in bringing back the old Madara so that Tobi and Madara could be reunited.

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- Tobi states that Nagato should have used the Rinne Tensei on him. And since Rinne Tensei brings the soul of the person from the pure world into the body of the impure world. Kishi could have raped our minds by making the readers believe Tobi wants to be connected to Madara again. Hence the famous saying ''Tobi is a shell of his former self''

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The same point made with Kagami, Madara shares the same plan as Tobi. However, he wouldn't trust everyone with secrets like this, which is why people believe he could be Tobi because who else is better to trust, than himself?

Reasons why people believe he is not Tobi
- The Impure world resurrection needs the soul to be in the pure world, if Tobi really is Madara, then he cannot be resurrected as the soul of Madara will be in the impure world (Shinobi world)
- Kabuto makes it sound like Tobi and Madara agreed to a plan, Tobi was to continue the Infinite Tsukuyomi plan even after Madara had died. Which is why he took Madara's persona, ''Even the name itself is power''. But he also makes it sound like Tobi isn't Madara, and is someone with a consciousness of his own and will most likely not follow with the original plan intended between Madara and Tobi.

All in all, Madara is the toughest one to analyze, as soon as he was resurrected, people started loosing hope. However, in the later chapters there are more points which are starting to come clear. But we still cannot forget the rules of each jutsu, and that Madara is still human, but anything is possible

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Case #4, Izuna Uchiha

What do we know about him?
- Madara's brother
- Possessed the Mangekyou Sharingan
- Supposedly gave his MS to Madara after he went blind.

Why people believe he could be Tobi
- One of the closest relatives of Madara, someone who is most likely going to know everything about Madara, and his life. Since Tobi is extremely knowledgeable about the Uchiha, the Senju and the Sage of the Six Path, he must be someone of experience and age, but not everyone knows everything about Madara. And if Tobi himself is not Madara, then people could believe that the closest person possible is Izuna.

- Tobi seems extremely skilled for someone with a normal Sharingan. And it also never seems to de-activate. And since Izuna gave his eyes to Madara. People could think that Madara gave Izuna another pair of Sharingan, which would also relate to how Izuna knows everything about the powers of the Mangekyou Sharingan.

- Izuna has a reason to be full of hatred from Konoha, because it defected the Uchiha clan and he gave his powers away for nothing. Not only that, but when they had come up with a truce, the Senju would rule Konoha while the Uchiha would slowly be segregated away from society and loose all power they had. Which Izuna's brother Madara thought, and when he died. People believe He could have given Izuna his EMS and told him to fulfill the Infinite Tsukuyomi plan. Which is also why Tobi again, stated that the Rinnegan that Nagato possessed was rightfully his in the first place, he only gave it to him so he could bring back his deceased brother, and now that he can't, he wants it back.

Why people believe he is not Tobi
- We have seen proof of his corpse. However, who says Tobi wasn't lying, he could have made up the story.
- When Madara is at shock to find out that he was brought back using Edo Tensei, he assumes it is Tobi, but says it in a way to express anger, rather than thankfulness. Meaning he didn't keep a close relationship to Tobi, and if Tobi was Izuna, this breaks that logic as both Madara and Izuna were extremely close brothers.

For Izuna, there is an extremely little evidence to support the reasons. One must think hugely for these situations to happen, however, it could still happen, which is why people believe this.

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Conclusion

I am still stuck on who is really Tobi, but I have provided myself with facts from both sides on each and every one of the four people. Please feel free to provide even more evidence, and correct me in some places where I am wrong. So I guess there is really nothing more to say but...

What do you think?
Of course,

1. Tobi can be just Tobi.

2. Tobi can be Madara as Tobi himself said s/he is.

3. Tobi can be TOBIrama Senju.

4. Tobi can be Sasuke SaruTOBI or the other son of Hiruzen SaruTOBI.
 

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it cud be shisui bcoz they didnt really find his body he probably didnt giv his eye to itachi he probably replaced the eye danzo took with the rinnegan..im just sayin
 

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Exactly, good point. FTG uses a Jutsu/Seal Formula/Equation, no hand seals. And also great point with the rasengan because it would just make sense for Sharingan user's to use it because any half intelligent ninja is going to say wow that is extremely powerful.
thanks guys miss that part out. yeah after further reading the hand seal seems to be the catch for copy ninja.

so the mystery of tobi continues (insert twillight zone music)
 
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