The difference between Madara and Hashirama

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Madara had to reverse the edo jutsu to break it. And this is a Madara “better than he was in his prime.”

Hashirama could break it at will without weaving a single sign. And this is a Hashirama “close to his original strength.”

So you basically have a 150% Madara who couldn’t even break edo at will

And a 85-90% Hashirama who can with ease.




Idk why ppl keep thinking Madara was close or, even more ridiculous, more powerful than Hashirama.

Like Naruto, Hashirama was prolly just trying to save Madara during their VOTE fight and got fed up with trying to convert him, and just ended him after a while
 

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Hashirama actually just resisted it while Madara outright negated it. I'm sure though that if Hashi was returning to the afterlife like Madara was too, he could've canceled it himself.
 

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Madara had to reverse the edo jutsu to break it. And this is a Madara “better than he was in his prime.”

Hashirama could break it at will without weaving a single sign. And this is a Hashirama “close to his original strength.”

So you basically have a 150% Madara who couldn’t even break edo at will

And a 85-90% Hashirama who can with ease.




Idk why ppl keep thinking Madara was close or, even more ridiculous, more powerful than Hashirama.

Like Naruto, Hashirama was prolly just trying to save Madara during their VOTE fight and got fed up with trying to convert him, and just ended him after a while
Hashirama never said that he can break edo tensei's control. Also Rinnegan>>>Hashirama so i don't know why you think Hashirama is stronger.
 
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Only Itachi factually resisted Edo Tensei completely. The only reason Hashirama was capable of resisting the binding was because Orochimaru was strengthening it with Hashi's cells.


Kabuto knows about Shisui and Kotoamatsukami yet gives credit to defying ET to Itachi.


Defying is not equal to Breaking.

KA doesn't give you the ability to "defy" ET as far as I know.
 

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I'm not sure Hashirama ever broke it, I think he broke the users control over it but not the actual jutsu.
Or do you mean Madara broke free of the control? I don't remember him doing that, maybe he could have if he wanted too.
 

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Only Itachi factually resisted Edo Tensei completely. The only reason Hashirama was capable of resisting the binding was because Orochimaru was strengthening it with Hashi's cells.


Kabuto knows about Shisui and Kotoamatsukami yet gives credit to defying ET to Itachi.


Defying is not equal to Breaking.

KA doesn't give you the ability to "defy" ET as far as I know.
Lmfao KA completely controls the mind of the victim without their knowledge. It cancelled out Kabuto’s will over Itachi and controlled Itachi to “Protect the leaf village.”

TLDR: Itachi didn’t defy it at all.
 

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Hashirama actually just resisted it while Madara outright negated it. I'm sure though that if Hashi was returning to the afterlife like Madara was too, he could've canceled it himself.
Hashirama could move about freely. All he needed was to know the Hand-seals and he could do what Madara did. Madara Could only do what he did because he was freed from Kabuto's control when Itachi made Kabuto undo the Jutsu...Same as Dan using his Jutsu to go help Tsunade.

 

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Hashirama never said that he can break edo tensei's control. Also Rinnegan>>>Hashirama so i don't know why you think Hashirama is stronger.
I just listed exactly WHY in the OP.

I'm not sure Hashirama ever broke it, I think he broke the users control over it but not the actual jutsu.
Or do you mean Madara broke free of the control? I don't remember him doing that, maybe he could have if he wanted too.
Nah i think if Madara could, eh would've
 
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then Madara should've just broke the bind. He couldn't
Madara was never under any bind or restriction so what would he break?


Hashirama could move about freely. All he needed was to know the Hand-seals and he could do what Madara did. Madara Could only do what he did because he was freed from Kabuto's control when Itachi made Kabuto undo the Jutsu...Same as Dan using his Jutsu to go help Tsunade.

@bold:That's absolute BS Madara was never under Kabuto’s control he was doing what he was of his own free will. You should put this in the fanfic secton.
 
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Why doesnt kabuto give credit to KA?
Lmfao because it was blatantly obvious Itachi’s mangekyou sharingan triggered his crow to spew from Naruto’s mouth, cast KOTO and erase Kabuto’s will. Itachi literally explains what happened afterwards. If we have to explain this to you, you probably shouldn’t be contributing.
 

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I just listed exactly WHY in the OP.
1)Hashirama was never able to break edo tensei at will.

2) He was able to not be affected by the restraints because Orochimaru was using his cells. How are you going to restrain hashirama with hashirama cells?

3) Restraint and Kai releasing edo tensei are two separate things because Dsm Kabuto never tried restrain Madara when he summoned him, he just let him run wild.

4) You gave no reason on “WHY”
 
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Lmfao because it was blatantly obvious Itachi’s mangekyou sharingan triggered his crow to spew from Naruto’s mouth, cast KOTO and erase Kabuto’s will. Itachi literally explains what happened afterwards. If we have to explain this to you, you probably shouldn’t be contributing.
That's not how it works.


Itachi sealed amaterasu in sasuke's eye, did sasuke get credit for casting amaterasu?


No. Itachi did.



Use same logic here.
 

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That's not how it works.


Itachi sealed amaterasu in sasuke's eye, did sasuke get credit for casting amaterasu?


No. Itachi did.



Use same logic here.
Lmfao no, you dunce. It doesn’t work like that; Itachi planted it on Naruto so it could be used on Sasuke; not on himself. Using your logic, you’re trying to make it that Itachi performed a miraculous feat by defying Kabuto’s will over Edo Tensei by his own will power. It wasn’t his power at all, it was Shisui’s power that broke it. Go to sleep.
 
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