The definitief proof that Kaguya was always in Kishimoto's mind.

[slop]

Hello everyone slop here.
A hardcore Kaguya fan, who wants to smash her....
Here I have proof that Kaguya was always in Kishimoto's mind, before Kaguya appeared in chapter 679.
With multiple hints regarding Black zetsu and Kaguya herself through the series.
what if Kishimoto was secretly building Kaguya as the final villain through the series then making her the final villain and with Black zetsu revealing that he manipulated the ninja world to revive Kaguya?

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[slop]

thoughts?

 

[InfiniteMugen]

That’s a lot of reaching.... plus using kimmi kinda destroys it, as they don’t even mention the similarities in name, looks, or jutsus(from
The characters OR the author) unless people think he’s just that fucking careless

 

[InfiniteMugen]

no nut just kimmi everything chechk the original picture once again:

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Yea, black zetsu was already supposed to be madaras pawn and creation, hagoromo was the so6p way before the thought of kaguya was mentioned, the bamboos are a crock of shit. And lastly, If the bz, last hashi/mads fight connection is actual, it’s not much since madara had already had his plan, bz was part of that plan. The show could of ended with madara and made perfect sense

But again, kimmi’s the nail in the coffin, as any writer able to get publicized wouldn’t just ignore that connection if it was thought out to begin with.

 

[Melanin]

Nah.. kaguya was most likely some shit he prolly thought of at the last second.

 

[slop]

Nah.. kaguya was most likely some shit he prolly thought of at the last second.

Well my evidences proves that Kaguya was always in Kishimotos mind

 

[slop]

Yea, black zetsu was already supposed to be madaras pawn and creation, hagoromo was the so6p way before the thought of kaguya was mentioned, the bamboos are a crock of shit. And lastly, If the bz, last hashi/mads fight connection is actual, it’s not much since madara had already had his plan, bz was part of that plan. The show could of ended with madara and made perfect sense

But again, kimmi’s the nail in the coffin, as any writer able to get publicized wouldn’t just ignore that connection if it was thought out to begin with.

Black zetsu said that he is the one who let Kabuto found Madara corpse to edo tensei him.
Now ask yourself how did Kabuto find Madara's legendary corpse?
When old man Madara died there were 3 people who knows where his corpse is 1.Black zetsu 2.Kid Obito 3. Remaining white zetsus
Black zetsu says that he is the one who let Kabuto found Madara corpse to edo tensei him, which makes sense since old man Madara died Black zetsu is the one of the people who knew where madara corpse is.

God. Tobi and Madara are saying Infinite Tsukuyomi bring peace etc, because it was written on the Uchiha stone tablet,how to awaken a rinnegan then summon the gedo mazo from the moon then you need to gather the tailed beast then revive the ten-tails then becomes its jinchuriki and the activation of the Infinite Tsukuyomi:

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all off this was written step by step on the Uchiha stone tablet by the Sage of the six paths himself..........
Tell me why the hell would write Sage of the six paths all that? when he saved the world by defeating the ten-tails.
you can clearly see that there is something wrong here and that Black zetsu saying that he is the one who tampered the Uchiha stone tablet makes senses.

in chapter 626 in flashback when Hashirama killed Madara, Hashirama noticed something above him:

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and in chapter 681 it was revealed that it was black zetsu :

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[InfiniteMugen]

Black zetsu said that he is the one who let Kabuto found Madara corpse to edo tensei him.
Now ask yourself how did Kabuto find Madara's legendary corpse?
When old man Madara died there were 3 people who knows where his corpse is 1.Black zetsu 2.Kid Obito 3. Remaining white zetsus
Black zetsu says that he is the one who let Kabuto found Madara corpse to edo tensei him, which makes sense since old man Madara died Black zetsu is the one of the people who knew where madara corpse is.

God. Tobi and Madara are saying Infinite Tsukuyomi bring peace etc, because it was written on the Uchiha stone tablet,how to awaken a rinnegan then summon the gedo mazo from the moon then you need to gather the tailed beast then revive the ten-tails then becomes its jinchuriki and the activation of the Infinite Tsukuyomi:

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all off this was written step by step on the Uchiha stone tablet by the Sage of the six paths himself..........
Tell me why the hell would write Sage of the six paths all that? when he saved the world by defeating the ten-tails.
you can clearly see that there is something wrong here and that Black zetsu saying that he is the one who tampered the Uchiha stone tablet makes senses.

in chapter 626 in flashback when Hashirama killed Madara, Hashirama noticed something above him:

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and in chapter 681 it was revealed that it was black zetsu :

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Ok I’ll try this one more time, you can literally take out kaguya, leave EVERYTHING else from shippuden in, up until bz backstabs madara, and make madara the last fight, it still would of ended fine, and actually, makes more sense

 

[Chikombo]

Well there is a lot of mythology in there.

 

[salamander uchiha]

Ok I’ll try this one more time, you can literally take out kaguya, leave EVERYTHING else from shippuden in, up until bz backstabs madara, and make madara the last fight, it still would of ended fine, and actually, makes more sense

I agree, the whole Indra Ashura plot was meant to end with Indra and Ashura working together to defeat the threat of their power(Madara). It would've shown Indra the ebenfit of o-operation and he would've had the final fight to resolve any doubts(vote 2).

OP: The reason Kaguya came into the picture(ass pulled) was because a beatable(retarded) final villian was needed as their was no way to beat Madara. He was already being massively nerfed and even then he could make Naruto and Sasuke's arsenal totally redundant. She also allows the potential for milking of the new series.

 

[Chikombo]

I agree, the whole Indra Ashura plot was meant to end with Indra and Ashura working together to defeat the threat of their power(Madara). It would've shown Indra the ebenfit of o-operation and he would've had the final fight to resolve any doubts(vote 2).

OP: The reason Kaguya came into the picture(ass pulled) was because a beatable(retarded) final villian was needed as their was no way to beat Madara. He was already being massively nerfed and even then he could make Naruto and Sasuke's arsenal totally redundant. She also allows the potential for milking of the new series.

This is true, Kaguya wasn't integrated at all, but I think he did plan to use someone like her in the end cus it ties into mythology and maybe he wanted the final boss to be something else than Madara.

 

[ThelUchiha]

Madara was talking about the tablet, fruit and the Kaguya during the war

 

[uhmusddy]

It’s more like it was something he found that he could possibly somewhat pull off throwing in at the end


what everyone else said,


I don’t mind though. Despite this messy start, I like this aliens & dimensions lore

 

[salamander uchiha]

No Kishimoto backstabbing Madara with black zetsu was foreshadowed right here:
in chapter 626 in flashback when Hashirama killed Madara, Hashirama noticed something above him:

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and in chapter 681 it was revealed that it was black zetsu :

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First that's not a foreshadow also BZ got neg diffed by fodder. Any back stabbing he does is deus ex machina because Madara had all the power in the world to counter him so no, anyway Madara had an ulterior motive against Hashirama so it's questionable. Even if that wasn't the case that still doesn't foreshadow Kaguya.

 

[salamander uchiha]

That Black zetsu stabbing madara is not A deus ex machina.

Obito also stabbed ten tails Madara:

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The reason why Obito could stab Madara is because he had still six path chakra (when he became Ten-tails jinchuriki) and all this six path chakra obito later gave to Kakashi which is why he could use Kamui Raikiri imbued with the Six Paths chakra.

Black zetsu saw that you can stab Madara with Obitos body and that is why he used Obitos body to stab madara:

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Black zetsu stabbed Madara on his back just like Hashirama stabbed Madara:

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yes Madara's back is his weakness. but how does black zetsu know that? that is because he was watching how Hashirama killed Madara:

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Kismoto was already planning how to defeat Madara.

No that's not how it works and even if it did Madara dealt with Obito relatively easily. He didn't have anyway to hurt Madara rather all he could do was steal some chakra. In top of thay double Rinnegan, Rinne Sharingan Madara was at least 4 times stronger than when Obito stabbed him. Black Zetsu/Obito stood no chance of taking chakra let alone over powering him.

The defeat was never planned, it was deus ex Machina so a beatable fodder like Kaguya could be introduced. On top of that Madara had Hashi's SM and RSM sensing there was no way BZ could've pulled that shit off without deus ex machina. Btw Kishi also made clear Madara has no weakness in otherwords he wrote himself into a corner and was forced to use deus ex machina + nerf to get out of it.

 

[MAN OF SIN]

OP: The reason Kaguya came into the picture(ass pulled) was because a beatable(retarded) final villian was needed as their was no way to beat Madara. He was already being massively nerfed and even then he could make Naruto and Sasuke's arsenal totally redundant. She also allows the potential for milking of the new series.

The bolded is the only reason. It was easily for Naruto and Sasuke to beat Madara since all they had to to do was touch him and Naruto was beating his ass before he absorbed the tree(Kaguya). Hell, Gai nearly killed him, Kishi could have finished Madara there. There were plenty chances to defeat Madara after Kaguya was mentioned.

 

[ninjarasengan]

Ok I’ll try this one more time, you can literally take out kaguya, leave EVERYTHING else from shippuden in, up until bz backstabs madara, and make madara the last fight, it still would of ended fine, and actually, makes more sense

What the OP is saying makes sense...especially the way the Mazo is sitting on a flower like Princess Kaguya was from the legend. It's well known that Kishimoto takes inspiration from Mythology so it could be the case...but, no one knows what was on Kishimoto's mind, so it's kinda asinine to state otherwise.

Bold doesn't really prove anything.

 

[InfiniteMugen]

What the OP is saying makes sense...especially the way the Mazo is sitting on a flower like Princess Kaguya was from the legend. It's well known that Kishimoto takes inspiration from Mythology so it could be the case...but, no one knows what was on Kishimoto's mind, so it's kinda asinine to state otherwise.

Bold doesn't really prove anything.

That’s one real small thing though, put it this way, not only could he have kept her out like I said, he could of also kept her in as THE “god” figure of the series without having to have that horrible fight, and make her a mindless idiot. Kaguya could of been kept in the lore without being made into a piss poor fv.

If kishi indeed had it all planned, then he’s actually not nearly as good a writer as we think, to wait till the last few chapters to be like “here’s kaguya, she wants her chakra back, bam! That was the whole point this whole time!” That’s some Bleach level shit

 

[Shruikan]

No it’s clearly visible that Madara was setup to be the final villain. Kaguya was shoehorned in at the last minute.

 

[ninjarasengan]

That’s one real small thing though, put it this way, not only could he have kept her out like I said, he could of also kept her in as THE “god” figure of the series without having to have that horrible fight, and make her a mindless idiot. Kaguya could of been kept in the lore without being made into a piss poor fv.

If kishi indeed had it all planned, then he’s actually not nearly as good a writer as we think, to wait till the last few chapters to be like “here’s kaguya, she wants her chakra back, bam! That was the whole point this whole time!” That’s some Bleach level shit

Well, it was said that he was told to wrap it up...although, who knows how true that is... If so, he might have rushed and cut things from his original plan...but, i understand that you have your preferences.