The Databook Is Now Wrong About Susano'o

[EnmaMonkeyKing]

I totally agree. Thank you OP

 

[Draphsin]

Ill come back to this thread...Its seems people never learn

 

[God of TryHards]

Ive said this too people countless times before. People/kids just don't want logic explained to them through the manga an prefer to get there info from other sources that are years old. There's just no convincing some people with logic...at least on this site anyways

 

[Waltz]

Yeah they were fighting amongst a forest..........but madara sees no point in using mokuton? No sense whatsoever....

And youre telling me that the massive tree trunk that fell on tsunade wasnt madara's doing? Did it just fall on her? Lol you think that tsunade was unaware of a tree falling on her from the sky?.....This makes even lese sense

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Stop using a GOOD Itachi as an example, look when and why he activates it. He does it because he has to and he does it to escape.

He had to because he was trapped, and he did it to escape because he didnt want to fight jiraiya..................

Please for the love of god stop using itachi in your examples, it proves nothing because he is NOT EVIL....



No its confirmed and yet you deny it for the third time in this thread. Hashi isnt a uchiha, therefore he cant escape tsukuyomi. Stop arguing this because im gonna keep telling you the same thing



Stop answering my question with another question, answer mine first. Why would madara not test out an ama + mokuton combo?



Exactly, and right now kishi hasnt shown anything pertaining to madara having the ability to use ama, despite what you think he should have... So why are you going to contradict your own statement and say that he should have it when it hasnt even been implied? :sy:



Actually its your logic thats been sub-par for this thread, you have yet to provide any link to madara having ama. Also, you have yet to show me where its implied that madara even has it.....Please stop with this annoying beating around the bush, you cant prove that he has it and you dont want to admit it.

You keep mentioning Madara and Amaterasu, That has nothing to do with the discussion neither was it my argument from the start. You have failed to prove your claims that:

-> Madara used Mokuton jutsu to finish the kage
-> Tsukuyomi alone would Finish Hashirama
-> The Clone using Amaterasu/Susano'o would kill Itachi (i noticed that you retconed your post and erased that bit)[

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-> Amaterasu and Tsukuyomi solely aren't requirements for Susano'o to surface as the Manga and the Databook excerpt are in accordance [

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[Waltz]

Lmao the OP neg repped me, It seems that I have intimidated him. Strangely enough he lurks in the Shadows rather than defending his own thread

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[Strawberry]

it can be implied that he meant itachis susanoo

 

[The God of Wind]

That page talks only about Itachi and that's that.

 

[BryanSk8]

El panda fue

 

[Aaroninja]

I dont think you need to master both techniques, but rather be in possession of both eyes. We havent seen Madara or Sasuke show they have mastered Tsukoyomi (or if they even have it), nor have we seen Madara or Itachi show that they have mastered Amaterasu

 

[Dantee]

You think madara has ama and tsukuyomi, even though we've been given multiple situations where tsukuyomi and ama would've been invaluable to his victory?

If he had tsukuyomi, then he has a 1-shot move on any senju, including hashi, why didnt he use it to secure his victory?

He also had a golden opportunity to trap A in tsukuyomi, which can kill him almost instantly. But instead he threw down a regular genjutsu, which allowed A to be rescued by the other kage...

There is no proof whatsoever that madara has tsukuyomi, or ama for that matter (He could've added ama to his mokuton to create a devastating 1-hit move). But during, and after the battle with the kage, we see not 1 sign of ama being used.

Just answer me this, If kishi really wanted ama/tsukuyomi to be required for susanoo, then why hasnt he shown madara using either of them? They're some of the strongest nin/genjutsu in existance...

From a storytelling standpoint it makes no sense

You can't prove Madara doesn't have it so why even bring such an argument to the table? =D

 

[HadouKage]

You keep mentioning Madara and Amaterasu, That has nothing to do with the discussion neither was it my argument from the start. You have failed to prove your claims that:

-> Madara used Mokuton jutsu to finish the kage
-> Tsukuyomi alone would Finish Hashirama
-> The Clone using Amaterasu/Susano'o would kill Itachi (i noticed that you retconed your post and erased that bit)[

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-> Amaterasu and Tsukuyomi solely aren't requirements for Susano'o to surface as the Manga and the Databook excerpt are in accordance [

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come on puppy, you can't be serious

 

[Zavage10]

Ill come back to this thread...Its seems people never learn

... you're not right lmao.

 

[lordmadarauchiha]

Your maybe right maybe not

 

[Professor Finesser]

The databook also gives naruto 26 in stats... That obviously not true anymore

 

[Waltz]

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come on puppy, you can't be serious

Madara was not shown using Mokuton-Jutsu(s) to finish the Gokage.

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You will realize that Ai, Onooki and Mei show no signs of Mokuton projecting from their bodies as, it could have been done with his Susano'o//Rin'negan abilities. As for Tsunade, if you closely at the following scans you will realize from the direction of blood stains that the portion of tree actually fell on and snapped Tsunade's body into two, something which could have been done by the surrounding Mokuton [

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]. Gaara's portion in the scan shows only a small twig, but how it got there is still unknown as any theory on the aftermath of the battle is a good as Draphsin's, yet he is trying to convince a majority that Madara using a Mokuton-jutsu to finish the Gokage is "fact". No inference can be made in such as case as there is no evidence pointing towards that. Madara had various ways in which he could have finished the Gokage, if he was solely wielding mokuton ability then it would only be logical to infer such a thing, but that isn't the case; making his conclusion subjective and not really fact.

 

[Blaze Release]

I do not want to get into this much because i feel like its kishi's fault.

As for the issue of the databook. It has come under heavy scrutiny especially the first 2.
The thing with DB is that people sometimes do not understand how it operates.

The databook has many different sections.
The main ones being:
Character descriptions
Shinobi facts
Technique descriptions


Character descriptions and shinobi facts in the databook are a summary of what the manga has said. So basically all things about a character or a shinobi fact that has been said in the manga will go into the databook.

Example is obito=madara
Or kyuubi was a natural event.

Both of these things are also echoed in the databook because it just summarizes what the manga has said. It shouldn't be taken literally because the databook will NOT reveal to us upcoming chapters/misconceptions.

Now as for stuff like technique descriptions it is usually on point, there is hardly wrong with technique descriptions in the manga. But even they can become outdated, but the information still stands. They are outdated in the sense that, it only takes into consideration what the manga has said. So for now the databook recognizes itachi as the sole user of amaterasu, tsukuyomi, susano because it rips right out of the manga what has been said.

I am not sure myself about this topic because there is good points from both sides.
Hopefully we should find out soon enough.

But always remember that the databook merely summarizes the events during that period of the manga whether it is right or wrong.
Its a summary

 

[naruttebayo]

manga facts and data-book facts can be changed
by some dialogues

also manga plot holes and data book fact holes can be covered up by the same manner
i think one shouldn't take them so seriously

 

[Klue]

What the f*ck? are you even reading what youre typing? I actually expected you to be more intelligent than this....U_U


Im not talking about when madara used mokuton, im talking about when madara killed the kage

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. Yet why was there no ama littered throughout the battlefield...If he was serious, then why not pull out his most powerful techniques?? He used PS, which is 10x more powerful than ama/tsukuyomi yet he still sees it fit to kill tsunade and gaara with mokuton.

You still fail to provide any reason as to why madara would not use ama/tsukuyomi

As for the conjecture, Itachi stated that tsukuyomi can only be broken by a

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. Why are you going to deny manga facts.....?

And finally with the underline, you prove me right with that exact scan... Jeeeze

Youre saying that madara DID NOT go all out against hashi?? seriously i hope youre misunderstanding what i was trying to say because if you deny this then im done :|

There is no evidence that he used anything other than Katon, Mokuton, Perfect Susanoo and Rinnegan's Preta Path. Are you telling me that he doesn't possess other abilities?

That's the problem with your logic right there.

 

[Penguin]

There is no evidence that he used anything other than Katon, Mokuton, Perfect Susanoo and Rinnegan's Preta Path. Are you telling me that he doesn't possess other abilities?

That's the problem with your logic right there.

If he has other abilities, why not use them.

 

[NagazuDead]

Maybe... we don't know... + when sasuke was about to use that genjutsu, Danzo started to talk about Itachi and Sasuke stopped.