The Dark Side of Hashirama???

[dguardio]

well, the possibility of Hashi being the bad guy is huge actually and that is true of many heroes

 

[Best dubstep dancer]

Well tobi did say history will repeat itself with naruto and sasuke fight like the 1st and madara fight they were prob friends before they fight

 

[daviddragon]

Madara is cocky as hell, yet he still **** rides Hashirama. That's enough for me to know that he was a ****ing beast.

I Agree With You

 

[lol99]

well technically there is no good guy in ninja world, they are all murderers!!

so maybe hashirama killed off a few fodder uchihas and some other ninjas from other clans, he lived in a time of war. Other than that i don't think there is a dark side like he wanted world domination or was power hungry.

The guy gave away bijuus as gifts to maintain peace.

 

[Black Adam]

I have constantly been bothered by the idea that *maybe* Hashirama is not all so Godlike (the way he is made to look). Since we haven't been shown any character development for Hashi... all we keep hearing is "He's STRONG! Great Life Force! Wood Element! First Hokage!... etc". U_U

Madara is not an a$$. He sure has reasons for all that hatred towards Hashirama. Ok, competition is one thing, hatred is something too strong... I guess Hashi did something to fuel his hatred like that. "What did he do?" is my burning question. There is nothing in the Manga that I can use as a basis to clarify anything. :shrug:

Going by the Naruto trend, everybody has personality defects, their share of wrongs, mistakes... It's about time we learn some of Hashi's... If Hashi has a dark side xd I want to see it

flameos, keep it cool! I'm just saying

Hate doesn't always need a logical reason.....

 

[Moon eye plan]

mooo

 

[zyyxx]

Every 1 has a darkside bt i too would love to see that of hushi!

 

[SashaUchiha]

1. i've already said what i think about that.

2. Me to, i started with english and it sounded horrible.

3. i like when there is something unpredicted about someone. like Naruto was actually a Senju and his grandmother tsunade and grandfather Jiraiya, or a hybrid uchiha and usumaki! double Uxd


so i kinda agree to that, no one is pure white or pure black in the soul. not even me!

right!!!

me neither xd

maybe not bad, but not as good as ppl say he is

yup, that's what I'm expecting...

Hashirama had all the Tailed Beasts in Check and he bought peace to the shinobi world as a true Hokage.

I true example of peace??? May be... I've got no proof...

Senju and Uchiha were natural rivals from the time of the So6p it has nothing to with them they grew up hating each other, and one thing they could have done about the hokage thing is since they both made the village each generation or after they died they elect a Senju and Uchiha ruler to rule together instead of fueling their hatred

man you're good! you'd make a good ruler xd

The dark side of Hashirama??? lol you make him sound like a rapist or something xd

I didn't really mean that... wait, did I??? he he

sasuke wants to kill naruto
but what did naruto do ? :shrug:

use the same logic here..
madara is the villain ... duh

Slimier to Sasuke to Naruto I guess.

well madara hates hashi becauase he was made the leader.... also just like sasuke hates naruto being strong......madara hated hashi for being strong and him not able to defeat him....i don't think hashi has any bad sides.....cause he was the first hokage for a reason......but i would like to see the good side of madara as well......

Sasuke doesn't really want to kill Naruto... he just likes to talk crap like that... he's an emo kid, leave him alone xd

Madara is a wise old man... I expect him to be more reasonable... U_U

Eh i dont think so, hes an anime character who is supposed to represent something

:ice: you are right... and we should all log off and worry about more real problems in the world... *point!

It all comes down to three words The home of Xbox and these three words are...
U Mad Bro

can't be, I'm a girl... U_U

Honestly, I think Madara is kind of a d**k. I think that Hashirama was a really nice, great guy, that you didn't want to mess with. He spoke of love, unity, and equality, which pissed Madara off, because he was all about power and thought he was better than everybody. After years of war, they joined together, probably to fight an outside enemy. Their unity made them stronger than their enemy so Madara was for it. However, after victory, Madara wanted his clan to separate again but they didn't want to, which pissed Madara off more, making him hate Hashirama more.

I think that's where the hate comes from.

he was piss that he wasn't made first hokage and everyone in the uchiha picked hashirama cause they were tired of the constant battle madara didn't like it cause he thought that the senju clan would suppress the uchiha clan and pretty much he wanted power.

Madara was an arrogant son of a b*tch. He thought Hashirama was better than him so Madara hated him for it. That's my best guess.

you make Madara look like a battle hungry Moron... Hashi was just to sugar-coated. I am naturally suspicious of people like him. Maybe it's just me.

Madara just wanted his clans vote to become hokage... don't think he was playing at a separation...

Hashirama being somewhat bad, I do not see why he could not be. I mean the one of the main themes in the second part in Naruto is how the adult world is darker in contrast to part one.

Nobody is perfect and all good, no matter how they may appear and seem. So i say light gray.

:ice: you are so right!

maybe not the first, but the second might have some. Like who creates edo tensen and is a good guy??

Maybe he had a curious side to him xd. who knows he seems to look like a good guy and he did make it forbidden and didnt abuse it or he would have been one of the strongest kages ever.

imagine if power hungry villages like kumo or iwa had that tech they would have likely abused it IMO.

I believe Tobirama was desparate enough to make a jutsu like that. This is a separate off-topic question- "Who was he trying to revive so desparately?"---> calls for another back story... xd

Yeah um the senju and uchiha have always been rivals because remember the so6p had two sons and he ask them how will they find peace one chose "love" the other chose "war" and so6p chose the the younger son who chose "love" to support and the elder brother was angry and each brother made their own clan the one who chose "war" had the so6p eyes was the uchiha and the younger brother who chose "love" made the senju clan Who had the so6p body. This goes to harishima who wanted peace through love and his intentions were pure unlike madara

What's impure about Madara's intentions? There is nothing wrong with "Eye of the Moon". It is true peace...

All this Hashi sweetness makes me puke actually.

all i know is this we better get a flashback and a good one that
1.prove he is stronger than hiruzen(i still think hiruzen is stronger)
2.he is who kishi been hyping him up to be
3.how he died
4.how he won the EMS madara plus 9tail fight(I think the 2nd hokage helped him)

NOW YOU'RE TALKING BRO!!! :noc:

Hashirama took Madara's bitch xd

I am kinda inclined to believe that xd

go hashi

wait. you're the one who voted for Hashi is a Rainbow??? xd

maybe he touched his bum or something

could be!!! Hashi is a bad boy then!!!

:sy:

:ice:

Madara is pissed cuz his not elected as the first hokage and the uchiha clan betray him

SashaUchiha...Naruto Uzumaki. I beg to differ. I also trust the Ramen Guy as all white. What about White Zetsu?

Anyways, until the manga says otherwise, you are just coming to unfair assumptions. The manga is full of very kind, nearly white-shaded people like Naruto, Kakashi, Hiruzen, and Chouji. Everyone has small faults that makes them not perfect white, but overall the Leaf Villagers have the Will of Fire that greatly overshadows that. You're basically willing to take the word of a prick who looks down on women, kills people for fun with comets, and wants to capture the entire world in a Genjutsu over the Hokages who ALL died to protect those they care about. Madara has no reason or excuse for what he does, and anything you hear from Tobi and him are biased words from losers.

White Zetsu is not all white... he has those green Aloe vera thingies... Ramen guy has black hair... Madara, on the other hand is a troubled guy, very dark, no doubt... but that has nothing to do with Hashi... We have no character sketch of Hashi from anybody to believe. This thread is merely an appeal to anyone who had better insight and found ANY relevant info on Hashirama's character.

 

[SashaUchiha]

The story is told through bits and pieces to which you have to pay attention to.

Read the wiki.

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Over the years, the Uchiha had constantly fought with the equally powerful Senju clan and as such, Madara had an undying rivalry with Hashirama Senju, the leader of the Senju clan. To bring an end to the constant fighting, Hashirama approached the Uchiha with an offer of peace. Although Madara never wanted peace with the Senju, the rest of the Uchiha wished to end the fighting, and Madara had no choice but to accept. The Senju, the Uchiha, and all the clans they had conquered came together to form the village of Konohagakure. Some time later, the villagers of Konoha selected Hashirama as the village's first Hokage, prompting Madara to contest him for the position. During the time he was a shinobi of Konohagakure, Madara approached Mū and Ōnoki where he informed them that despite the alliance that they had made with Konoha, his village was to remain the dominant power and that from that point on, they would obey Konoha. Afterwards, Madara fought and defeated them when they engaged him in battle.

After realising that he would not be able to replace Hashirama as Hokage, Madara began to fear that Hashirama would begin to oppress the Uchiha and tried to rally support for challenging his leadership. Rather than help him, however, the Uchiha turned their backs on Madara, believing he only desired to rekindle the flames of war. Abandoned by his clan, Madara left the village, and sought out Kurama. He later returned in order to challenge Hashirama in battle. They fought at the site that would someday be called the Valley of the End, where Madara was beaten, despite having Kurama at his side. Control of Kurama was ultimately taken from him and Madara was believed to have died. Despite losing the battle, he was able to survive and gain a part of Hashirama's DNA with which he was able to use the Wood Release. Shortly before his death decades later, Madara awakened his own Rinnegan.

As far as I know, wiki can be edited by anyone??? + this is a collaboration of all that has been told to us... and maybe we have been told just half of the truth... :shrug:

Or Madara is just being a sore loser to begin with? The Senju don't have a monopoly. A Namizake became Hokage, so did Sarutobi. The Uchiha held a lot of respect in the village.

By the way, you said that Madara was able to use Wood Release before his death, so how did Kabuto revive Madara past his prime? Everyone said that Kabuto gave Madara Wood.

1. again, out of the 5 Hokage-- 3- Senju, 1- disciple of a Senju.
Namikaze here is the odd one out.
so 4/5 is monopoly for me... U_U

2. They deserved it... earned it...

3. I never said that... You must be talking about the line where I said he constantly fought Wood Style...

pwease: Sasha, you just got into hottest threads ! ^^ Nice Work. )

OT: I agree with many points of this thread. It's not crazy that a good character has a 'dark side'.

...Just look at Naruto, he had a dark side when facing nagato and when he was young.

What I'm saying is, maybe, just maybe Hashirama did go 'rebel' for like a hour.
Anyway, +rep for the interesting thought... ^^

he he... rebel for an hour... this stomach ache will definitely last for an hour... xd

and thanks a lot

ye ye that's what government tells u m8, don't believe everything u hear

so it is decided Tobi is hashirama U_U

No its proven Justin Biber is Tobi . . . . .

omg ,all these years i was wrong

WTH :mugi:

*Salute* to the +1 post count this comment gives me.

BAM

Dayum.

mooo

you two are the only reasons this thread made it to the hottest section... wn::silly:

Madara never said sorry nine tails, he's arrogant and power hungry nothing kind about him

and hot... Katon: Goukakyou no jutsu!!! :headband:

he made it so uchihas cant be kage

righto

well, the possibility of Hashi being the bad guy is huge actually and that is true of many heroes

:hug:

Well tobi did say history will repeat itself with naruto and sasuke fight like the 1st and madara fight they were prob friends before they fight

nah, I don't think so.... wait wait, maybe... no wait, Madara killed his best friend to get Mangekyou... they might be buddies, not besties definitely...

well technically there is no good guy in ninja world, they are all murderers!!

so maybe hashirama killed off a few fodder uchihas and some other ninjas from other clans, he lived in a time of war. Other than that i don't think there is a dark side like he wanted world domination or was power hungry.

The guy gave away bijuus as gifts to maintain peace.

I read nothing into bijuu gifts... he was able to control them all. It's like giving your 1 year old brother a PS Vita. It belongs to him, sure... but you are the only one who actually use it!!! think about it.

Hate doesn't always need a logical reason.....

It does normally...

Every 1 has a darkside bt i too would love to see that of hushi!

I'd love to see Hashi going wild in that Forest of his ... oh wait... Senju of the Forest!!! --->>> WILD??? xd

* now I am only planting ideas in your head

 

[rubachac]

"I love Senju Hashirama"

 

[SashaUchiha]

"I love Senju Hashirama"

you can... but remember you are competing with Madara here... xd

 

[mabanae]

WTH :mugi:

i was just kidding , i swear to god :T_T:

 

[SashaUchiha]

i was just kidding , i swear to god :T_T:

 

[Maunten]

Madara's brother gave up his eyes so that the uchiha would win the war, then a couple of months later a trues is signed, then Madara is not even a leader in his own village, not even a joint leader (seriously lol that was a bit too much of a kick)

It's like his brother died for victory and Madara became a dog, hatred from that would be understood.

Btw after that Madara did not have hatred but knew his clans would forever be the dogs of senju if they stayed in a trues, so what did he do he told his clan to end it, they said no and insulted him, that is what caused the hatred.

Btw the uchiha did end up the dogs, they were corned off in a small part of the village (a dog house) and were assassinated quietly when it was thought that they may try a coup (as you would put down a dog who you fear may bite you).

 

[SashaUchiha]

Madara's brother gave up his eyes so that the uchiha would win the war, then a couple of months later a trues is signed, then Madara is not even a leader in his own village, not even a joint leader (seriously lol that was a bit too much of a kick)

It's like his brother died for victory and Madara became a dog, hatred from that would be understood.

Btw after that Madara did not have hatred but knew his clans would for ever be the dogs of senju if they stayed in a trues, so what did he do he told his clan to end it, they said no and insulted him, that is what caused the hatred.

Btw the uchiha did end up the dogs, they were corned off in a small part of the village (a dog house) and were assassinated quietly when it was thought that they may try a coup (as you would put down a dog who you fear may bite you).

The way you put it... now, again, I'm as depressed as Sasuke...

 

[abhiraj]

Madara was pissed off he didn't become the 1st hokage but understood why

Then Tobirama became the 2nd Hokage and that confirmed the Uchiha were being snuffed out of power

As Madara believed he was 2nd in line to be the Hokage

Madara had already left the village and fought Hashirama before tobirama was instated as hokage.
So there's no reason that he would think of being second in line.
I mean no one would have made him hokage after he fought their dear Hashirama.
Also he was assumed dead after that fight

 

[SashaUchiha]

Madara had already left the village and fought Hashirama before tobirama was instated as hokage.
So there's no reason that he would think of being second in line.
I mean no one would have made him hokage after he fought their dear Hashirama.
Also he was assumed dead after that fight

yup, you're right...

want an icecream? :ice:

 

[abhiraj]

yup, you're right...

want an icecream? :ice:

Thanks

 

[SashaUchiha]

by the way I am still kinda messed up with the Hashirama timeline... is anyone has a better idea post up!

AND there seem to be so many who believe Hashi is a Rainbow xd... guys it was just a prank...

 

[Orochimagus]

Everyone has a dark side, but it's about how you CONTROL it. Naruto is so pure because he always kept it in check. Hashirama created the entire freaking village and allowed Madara to live in all his fights.

How can people see any decency in Madara? He even made fun of Kurama while Hashirama kindly explained to him why he had to seal him.