The Dark Side of Hashirama???

Hashirama is...

  • Pure White

    Votes: 26 19.3%
  • Light Grey

    Votes: 45 33.3%
  • Dark Grey

    Votes: 18 13.3%
  • Pitch Black

    Votes: 11 8.1%
  • Hashi is the Rainbow!!! "I love Hashirama Senju"

    Votes: 35 25.9%

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SashaUchiha

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You didnt read my post properly. I said Madara strongly believed that the Senju clan were bent on wiping out the Uchiha clan. Now over the course of Konoha's history has there ever been an incident suggesting conflicts between the two clan after Konoha was formed?

Also the reason why there is only one Uchiha alive is because of Tobi, Danzo and Itachi. As far I'm concerned the Senju had nothing to do with it what so ever. U_U

Konoha is synonymous with Senju. 3 out of 5 Hokage are Senju, 1 was a student of a Senju. There are no conflicts in the monopoly of power. There are just stray incidents like the Kyuubii release and the Uchiha clan massacre.

I am liking this discussion with you because whatever you are saying is logical. And I am glad it hasn't turned into an argument. :)
 

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Firstly, Madara never spoke to Sasuke... If you are talking about Tobi, we must now accept the fact that Madara and Tobi are different people.

Secondly, when you knew nothing about Pain, he was a bad dude. We can judge only based on what is shown to us... Hashirama has been put forward as the most righteous guy on earth... It need not be the complete truth...

Hashi gave out Bijuus as a peace treaty. For a guy who can control tailed beast is that such a noble gesture? Anybody who decides to use a Bijuu against him fails, whats the point?

Madara, on the other hand, never showed any interest in other tailed beast. He only believes that the Kyuubii belongs to him. (*I don't see anything wrong there)

so, I have to disagree with you mate

Lol, that's absolutely fine. and i cannot Believe i did not clarify that i meant Tobi spoke to sasuke, not Madara, but i still take it at face value because even though Tobi said it, i'm sure Madara must feel that way, especially the way he's been talking about Hashi lately but yes i know Tobi is NOT Madara and that Tobi is the one who said that, so sorry about that xd Also, yes i think distibuting the beasts was a noble gesture because if, like you said, he controlled the beasts, that'd make Konoha super OP so he gave them to other villages. Giving the ultimate weapons to the other villages when you could just keep them and be all-powerful is kinda nice and imo shows that he has no intent on keeping the other villages under his thumb even though he easily could have. Madara only wants the Kyuubi cuz from the way i read it, the Kyuubi's the only one the sharingan can take full control over. sasuke even said "Is that in exchange for the power to control the 9-tails?" (and i know that was sasuke, he said it to Itachi lol) so that's how it seems.

BUT you do bring up a very valid point, until we got to know Pain, he was pure evil. and sure, it's possible there's more to Hashi than meets the eye. It's just my personal opinion that he's a good guy
 
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Konoha is synonymous with Senju. 3 out of 5 Hokage are Senju, 1 was a student of a Senju. There are no conflicts in the monopoly of power. There are just stray incidents like the Kyuubii release and the Uchiha clan massacre.

I am liking this discussion with you because whatever you are saying is logical. And I am glad it hasn't turned into an argument. :)

I have no particular comments about the appointments of Senjus as Hokage because at the time they were the right decisions. And now hopefully you'll understand why I stated Madara to be paranoid and think so yourself. :)
 

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Lol, that's absolutely fine. and i cannot Believe i did not clarify that i meant Tobi spoke to sasuke, not Madara, but i still take it at face value because even though Tobi said it, i'm sure Madara must feel that way, especially the way he's been talking about Hashi lately but yes i know Tobi is NOT Madara and that Tobi is the one who said that, so sorry about that xd Also, yes i think distibuting the beasts was a noble gesture because if, like you said, he controlled the beasts, that'd make Konoha super OP so he gave them to other villages. Giving the ultimate weapons to the other villages when you could just keep them and be all-powerful is kinda nice and imo shows that he has no intent on keeping the other villages under his thumb even though he easily could have. Madara only wants the Kyuubi cuz from the way i read it, the Kyuubi's the only one the sharingan can take full control over. sasuke even said "Is that in exchange for the power to control the 9-tails?" (and i know that was sasuke, he said it to Itachi lol) so that's how it seems.

BUT you do bring up a very valid point, until we got to know Pain, he was pure evil. and sure, it's possible there's more to Hashi than meets the eye. It's just my personal opinion that he's a good guy

:D nah nah! don't blame yourself for the TobiXMadara thing... we were all trolled that way too long to avoid slips like that, don't you think so? :p:eek:

about the distribution of tailed beast... I still think it was pointless, if any village decided to use the Bijuu against Konoha, Hashi would easily control them, wouldn't he? :shrug:

I have no particular comments about the appointments of Senjus as Hokage because at the time they were the right decisions. And now hopefully you'll understand why I stated Madara to be paranoid and think so yourself. :)

hmm... actually we shouldn't be talking about the Senju appointments at all... these are big political matters xd (*and politics can be extremely corrupt, lets not dirty our hands)

about Madara being Paranoid? I believe he had sufficient reason for those Uchiha extinction fears. It might not have come from a direct Senju hand, but it happened... U_U
 

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i was thinking that maybe that hashi trying to supress the uchiha and then winning the fight might have him really pissed off.
 

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i was thinking that maybe that hashi trying to supress the uchiha and then winning the fight might have him really pissed off.

Hashi might have been an anti-Uchiha... Total absence of an Uchiha in the Hokage line is too suspicious for me...
 

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Hashi might have been an anti-Uchiha... Total absence of an Uchiha in the Hokage line is too suspicious for me...

exactly, weren't they almost as powerful as the Senju but only more of them? i mean c'mon they may be brutal but at least they can defend the village!
 

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By the time Tobimara became Hokage, Mad Madara had already attacked the village and was considered dead. He would have been second if he bode his time...Or Maybe Tobimara was pretty strong too...Impure World Resurrection, high level water, space-time, sensor...

Either way, it has been stated since the beginning the Uchiha were little cry babies like the first son. Since the beginning the second son stood up for love and the will of fire. Madara has stated he hates the will of fire. What further clarification do you need?
 

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Madara dispized Hashirama because his clan was segregated and he didn't get the title of Hokage
 

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exactly, weren't they almost as powerful as the Senju but only more of them? i mean c'mon they may be brutal but at least they can defend the village!

right you are mate!!! and the whole Police force thing was actually so that they do not meddle with the village affairs...

aaaaaaaaaaaaaand that means ? :D

as expected mabanae-kun xd

By the time Tobimara became Hokage, Mad Madara had already attacked the village and was considered dead. He would have been second if he bode his time...Or Maybe Tobimara was pretty strong too...Impure World Resurrection, high level water, space-time, sensor...

Either way, it has been stated since the beginning the Uchiha were little cry babies like the first son. Since the beginning the second son stood up for love and the will of fire. Madara has stated he hates the will of fire. What further clarification do you need?

Are you trying to tell me there was no Uchiha who could make it to Hokage??? I do not need a clarification for Uchiha hatred. A lot of people already put up pretty valid points about it. However, nothing eases my suspicions about Hashirama Senju. We know only the good things about him and NOBODY
is all white.
 

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Are you trying to tell me there was no Uchiha who could make it to Hokage??? I do not need a clarification for Uchiha hatred. A lot of people already put up pretty valid points about it. However, nothing eases my suspicions about Hashirama Senju. We know only the good things about him and NOBODY
is all white.

and the fact that kishi wont open up the story of the past and we nearly know nothing about hashi, his powers and .....
makes this theory stronger , that maybe he had a dark secret :eek:
that could pull him to the dark side and he became TOBI :eek:
:p kidding about last line :p

but no seriously he is tobi
 
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SashaUchiha

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Madara dispized Hashirama because his clan was segregated and he didn't get the title of Hokage

Madara was pretty convinced that the Uchiha were being deliberately snubbed... Hashi did something to make him feel that way... I agree with Madara... It's not just about the Hokage title...

oh , about loving death note :p
xd

btw are u from japan , or u know some ? :D

nope, but I watch all anime subbed :p

and the fact that kishi wont open up the story of the past and we nearly know nothing about hashi, his powers and .....
makes this theory stronger , that maybe he had a dark secret :eek:
that could pull him to the dark side and he became TOBI :eek:
:p kidding about last line :p

although it is not a compulsion, dark secrets make a character more real and interesting... xd
(*leave TOBI alone will ya??? :shrug: )
 
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