[Discussion] The complete/full/double power of the Kamui

[SkyGodHorus]

The way I see it, the two kamui together are far faster and can open other dimensions other than the kamui dimension as well as sync with other space time jutsu. Sorry if this seems obvious for some lols, I'm just trying to understand how Obito's mangekyou powers are working in this battle.

 

[-ahhimane-]

one MS opens dimension at a distance.
other opens the dimension around the eye itself.

back then against Madara, obito used his own kamui and it was sped up by Kakashi because Kakashi focused his Kamui on Obito's Kamui.

And since both the eyes are now together I can't see speeding up the teleportation time.

 

[SkyGodHorus]

one MS opens dimension at a distance.
other opens the dimension around the eye itself.

Then how is it Kakashi could use his kamui the same exact way Obito could use his?

back then against Madara, obito used his own kamui and it was sped up by Kakashi because Kakashi focused his Kamui on Obito's Kamui.

And your point is? Sound no different from Kagutsuchi manipulating Amaterasu and thus being the full power of a mangekyou.

And since both the eyes are now together I can't see speeding up the teleportation time

Why is that?

 

[-ahhimane-]

Then how is it Kakashi could use his kamui the same exact way Obito could use his?

Back then when Kakashi Kamui'd himself out of Kamui dimension, he was holding his hand on his face means he focused it on the hand and send himself out of Kamui dimension

And your point is? Sound no different from Kagutsuchi manipulating Amaterasu and thus being the full power of a mangekyou.

The point was, due to overlapping of both the Kamui's the time to teleport reduced or say the process of Kamui got faster. Back then Obito kamui'd himself to Kamui dimension and Kakashi speed that up by overlapping his Kamui over Obito's Kamui. And that Amaterasu example is not what I am talking about.

Why is that?

if the right eye focuses on a far distance then the left won't be able to overlap it's Kamui on the distant Kamui because they are now transplanted into the same person. it's possible to speed up only if the user is Kamui'ng himself and not anyone/anything else

 

[SkyGodHorus]

Back then when Kakashi Kamui'd himself out of Kamui dimension, he was holding his hand on his face means he focused it on the hand and send himself out of Kamui dimension

I don't understand what you're trying to say here lols.

The point was, due to overlapping of both the Kamui's the time to teleport reduced or say the process of Kamui got faster. Back then Obito kamui'd himself to Kamui dimension and Kakashi speed that up by overlapping his Kamui over Obito's Kamui.

In other words, a combination of both techniques or one manipulating the other, which was my whole point lols.

if the right eye focuses on a far distance then the left won't be able to overlap it's Kamui on the distant Kamui because they are now transplanted into the same person it's possible to speed up only if the user is Kamui'ng himself and not anyone/anything else

But that doesn't rule out the opposite does it? Anyway, there's little to no basis for your statement because as far as I can tell, they are the same technique just like the two Kotoamatsukamis, only learned and utilized differently. They are named the same thing and Kakashi used his Kamui just like Obito's after observing how Obito used his.

 

[VongolaX]

one MS opens dimension at a distance.
other opens the dimension around the eye itself.

Not true considering that Madara also jump to dimensions with the eye Kakashi had.

Also, Obito used a distance kamui to stop Kakashi from kamuing Gedo mazou's neck.

back then against Madara, obito used his own kamui and it was sped up by Kakashi because Kakashi focused his Kamui on Obito's Kamui.

They just combine kamui jump to increase the speed.

Obito with both eyes were fast enough to send Sakura and naruto into her own dimension without Kaguya even knowing.

So with double ms, he is faster when warping to dimensions, not even Madara's fastest move can touch him.

He can sync with other dimensions, and can warp faster than Kaguya/black zetsu even realize

And since both the eyes are now together I can't see speeding up the teleportation time.

Latest chapter just showed his speed when hacking other dimensions, same concept applies when jumping towards his own if not faster.

 

[Draxus]

one MS opens dimension at a distance.
other opens the dimension around the eye itself.

back then against Madara, obito used his own kamui and it was sped up by Kakashi because Kakashi focused his Kamui on Obito's Kamui.

And since both the eyes are now together I can't see speeding up the teleportation time.

I disagree with this guy. Both eyes have the same abilities it's the wielders that use them differently.

Together the known properties of Kumai have all been amplified. Which is why Obito can now open other dimensions.

 

[Jimihendrix]

my dude teleported to the other dimension faster than naruto...

 

[Jimihendrix]

that double kamui haxx

 

[Furui Tokage]

The Kamui eyes are similar to Sasuke's eyes - one creates fire, the other manipulates it. The two eyes do the same thing differently - one that can be used at a distance, one that opens up around the eye itself. What is confusing about that?
In my opinion, the user who has both eyes can use each power but NOT overlap them to speed it up. That is the whole point of having another eye, it can do things at a distance. What would be the point of the other eye if it could do the same thing?

 

[valandil988]

With the MS its always the case that the two techniques prevalent in the left and right eyes combine to create a distinct separate jutsu. Whether that jutsu is similar or totally different to the two parent jutsu's seems to have no baring.

From what I can understand of Obito's own MS combination, I believe there is more to it than simply being able to teleport faster and more easily.


I like what you said about his combined eyes being able to sync with other space-time techniques and dimensions. But that seems far to esoteric and specific for that to be his sole MS combination technique. It doesn't have enough applications. By that I mean WHO else has an innate space time technique like Obito? Nobody that's who, apart from Kaguya that is.

Ergo I would argue that Obito's ability to sync with other space time techniques and dimension is a skill that he himself has honed over the years of using his techniques not an ability granted to him by his MS. I mean think about it, he is a master of space-time techniques probably surpassing Minato in knowledge.

So I would argue that we haven't yet seen Obito's combination technique.

It won't be something like Susanoo, probably related to ST- techs.

Then again we have just seen Obito do something he has never done before. Open a Kamui portal. Might that be his new ability?