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Edit: I'm going to save you some time, you who read this, by saying that this(the whole) post is not for those with little time, patience or care, so you might not want to read the whole text, and just the summary, because there's a whole lotta text comin' up!
I just want to make some things clear here, so this is some questions directed to the mods and admins rather than other NB members, but you're welcome to give your opinion, I can't really stop you, but that doesn't mean that breaking the rules is ok.

A short and nice summary of the text below, for those with little time and for you who aren't interested in going deep into the subject, but still wants to post something about it:
The text is about how I think that the chatterbox section is far too lightly regulated and "free" in a sense. Now don't make the mistake of thinking that I'm saying that I'm against free speech etc., what I'm getting at is that the rules seems to be far too loosely applied in this section.



It's as stated in the thread title; about the chatterbox section and what I want to talk about is its relation to the rules and about what you guys as mods and admins think(/do in some cases) about it and events that occur there. BUT, as this section is a part of the forum and thus related to it, I will probably also touch subjects of a more generic nature.

So as to begin with the questions etc., I'll start with some of my observations, I would appreciate if you posted your own opinions on this(mods mostly, but admins if you see this as well):

The chatterbox section has, and I was even told about it, more or less been a sort of 'spam section' for as long as I've been here. From what observations I can make, this means, per definition,

'Chatterbox:
Talk about anything you want right here. Start up game threads or offtopic threads. But random character posts is not allowed.'

as is written in the description, that spam relates more to the fact that you can talk about anything, rather than post anything, correct?
for example:
'posting threads about ponies is allowed.
Posting 'dvfebgruncfevbsuvx' as the opening post with the title 'XD', is against the forum rules. That is, spamming is against the rules, even if it is in this section, as well as flaming etc.'

This is how I interpret it when reading the description and relate it to the rules of this forum as they are written in the ' thread.
Whether I'm right or wrong in my perception, however, there remains another interpretation of mine, which goes more or less like this:

'It's a spam section, where posts like 'advefubvv' is lightly punished, if at all, since it's a spam section in the sense of it being, (now, whether this is just the general mindset of the members or the mods(if not combined as in 'it's a mutual undrstanding'), is for the experts to judge) more or less allowed/not bothered with taking care of for some reason, the spam I mean, which in turn makes flaming less strictly regulated.''

This view on it, is merely my own subjective one derived from the observations I make on how I see it actually being like, but then, I don't see everything and knowledge can never be complete, hence I'd like some input from normal members as well as mods(perhaps admins) on whether this interpretation of mine is far too preconceptive and generalizing.

Now, I realise that if the former view is correct and that if the later is somewhat close to how it actually is, then the difference might be for several reasons, such as little reporting on this stuff etc., but that is not really the core problem here as I see it.
I believe the real problem would be either the lack of mods or this possible mindset on how it is/should be less strictly regulated(spam and in turn flaming + other rule related matters) because of how it is a spam section as depicted in the later of my views.

Yes, yes, I realise that there are exceptions such as pornographic material and racial slurs etc., which is dealt with strictly in every section, a good thing. BUT, what I'm referring to here is, if you were to rank them in order of importance and 'priority when managing the sections', these 'less' important/prioritised regulations, such as just being plain rude and what some might refer to as light spamming/'far too little contribution and meaning in one post to actually be considered an accepted and contributing post'. Although this is what I want To illuminate the most, there are probably more cases which others could be aware of.

So it all boils down to the question of whether it is like so or not? What do you mods/admins think? What about you members, what do you think?


Edit: it's a long text, so I realise there may be some inconsistencies and even mistakes. If there's something you don't understand and want explained, just ask~
 
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I didn't come to NB to read a book. Use spoilers pl0x.
You're saying this in the wrong section. Had you said it in the Naruto manga/anime discussion sections, then I would've understood your worries, but this is a whole other section completely. In this section you're meant to talk about these kinda stuff, even if it becomes walls of text, so if it doesn't suit you, then don't read it and don't make these kinds of posts, because it is spam.

Um...Kinda difficult to understand for me...What´s your point in this?
My point, as put shortly, is that the chatterbox section is far to "free" in a sense. It's as if people are allowed to roam there freely, as they do in the manga series 'fist of the north star', if you've read it(it's kinda old).

Edit: there, I added a little summary of it as well as spoiler/jutsu tags ;D
 
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1. Chatterbox is the section for all threads which don't "fit" anywhere else on the forums.

2. Having a less regulated area serves as a "hotspot" for undesirable conduct leaving the other, more serious, areas of the forum "free" from said conduct.

3. When you bring up a "suggestion," it is recommended that you also include a solution.

Here is my question to you:

If Chatterbox becomes more regulated, where do you think the "spam" will go?

After all, the Chatterbox section is designed to allow "spam" except as outlined in the rules for that section. If a crackdown occurs there, spam will start showing up elsewhere.

The Mods do a pretty freakin' awesome job here on NB and I rarely see a serious problem go unchecked.

If you want to help the Mods out, here's what you need to do:

Use the "Report Post" button on the offending post/thread. Eventually a mod in that section will get to the report.

If you see a serious problem, do this in addition to that:

1. Check which Mod(s) are responsible for that section, and see which one is online.

2. Send a Private Message to that Moderator with this template:

Subject: Ex: [Person is Multi-posting]

Body of Message: [User] is... [detail what the offense is] and provide a LINK(s) to the offense(s).

3. Only send 1, I repeat, 1, message to the Moderator. They may/may not reply after the issue has been taken care of.

4. Use this method SPARINGLY as only SERIOUS offenses should be reported in this manner.
 

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1. Chatterbox is the section for all threads which don't "fit" anywhere else on the forums.

2. Having a less regulated area serves as a "hotspot" for undesirable conduct leaving the other, more serious, areas of the forum "free" from said conduct.

3. When you bring up a "suggestion," it is recommended that you also include a solution.

Here is my question to you:

If Chatterbox becomes more regulated, where do you think the "spam" will go?

After all, the Chatterbox section is designed to allow "spam" except as outlined in the rules for that section. If a crackdown occurs there, spam will start showing up elsewhere.

The Mods do a pretty freakin' awesome job here on NB and I rarely see a serious problem go unchecked.

If you want to help the Mods out, here's what you need to do:

Use the "Report Post" button on the offending post/thread. Eventually a mod in that section will get to the report.

If you see a serious problem, do this in addition to that:

1. Check which Mod(s) are responsible for that section, and see which one is online.

2. Send a Private Message to that Moderator with this template:

Subject: Ex: [Person is Multi-posting]

Body of Message: [User] is... [detail what the offense is] and provide a LINK(s) to the offense(s).

3. Only send 1, I repeat, 1, message to the Moderator. They may/may not reply after the issue has been taken care of.

4. Use this method SPARINGLY as only SERIOUS offenses should be reported in this manner.
Right, I think I'm not mistaken in this when I say you didn't read the post all too closely, but you've given your opinion no less and for this I'm grateful, thank you!
Retorting to:
1: Yes, that much is said in the section description.

2. I see your logic here, and if I'm not mistaken it's something along the lines of 'Having a dump-section, which is more or less accepted as such by the mods, will attract such behaviour and conduct worthy of a dump-section and concentrate it there.'
Perfectly reasonable, and probably also a very effective system, but there's a little difference in what you're and what I'm getting at. Yes, we're dealing with members who surely doesn't bother reading the forum rules, and if they do, they do it to see how they can bypass it or apply it for their own sakes as opposed to for everyone's sake.
Many have understood this function of the chatterbox section being like this I'm sure, though I can see a tendency showing otherwise(for example, the general discussion section is being treated more and more like the chatterbox. This is a biased opinion however, so it may not be tue at all)).
What I'm trying to get at, though, is the fact that this light regulation results in the spamming spilling of to flaming and 'trolling', which is something I'm tired of seeing, no matter what section it is in. And from what observations I can make, even this isn't regulated all too much, in the chatterbox section that is. this is also something I'm trying to ask about, I mean, is it ok to flame and troll there just because it is the chatterbox section?? That doesn't seem right to me, this is a family forum for goodness sake! Not 4chan or some other vulgar forum..

3. Yes, well, I wanted to have some discussion before I made any such suggestions, since it is difficult to determine what might help resolve a situation like this. More importantly, I wanted to discuss first since I wasn't sure of whether it was an issue that would need any resolution, and since I wrote the text in a way where I was looking for opinions first, then perhaps a discussion on how to resolv it could follow.

My answer to your question:
As I might have poorly explained in the OP, but explained earlier in this post; it's not as much regulating spam as it is regulating flaming and trolling as well as crude provocations.
If I am to answer your question as it is, then it would probably turn out as you say about spam spreading to other places.

Yes, they do an awesome job and I've never witnessed the real important problems go unresolved, but to me it seems there might even be too few of them, either that or ppl aren't reporting or doing whatever you describe in that copy/paste, which FYI, is wasted on me since I do that stuff.

Idk if you can call this a serious problem or not, but to me it is a serious issue how I get to see ppl, who are making threads or posting in a thread with 'good' intentions, get treated so badly. This may just be an attitude related problem, but of that I'm not sure, and that is what I want to find out with this thread.

Thank you for reading.
 

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"I read it."
In my defense, your OP could have been shorter and a bit clearer (I did read the whole thing).

You have to understand that Chatterbox is simply less regulated, therefore, any issues there have to be reported more directly. I agree, sometimes things just go too far too often in that section.

Honestly, I'm on here enough and I too wonder why people flame. (Trolling can be funny, but if it leads to flaming or is malicious, I agree, it's got to be put down).

I would love to monitor Chatterbox and stop flame wars & trolling myself, but it's not your job or mine.

My guess is that your are asking/suggesting there be more enforcement specifically in the areas of flaming/trolling? If so, I agree wholeheartedly and I will continue to assist the Mods by reporting such issues as I witness them.

So yes, NOW I wish for an answer to be given about this from the PTB (Powers That Be) xd
 

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In my defense, your OP could have been shorter and a bit clearer (I did read the whole thing).

You have to understand that Chatterbox is simply less regulated, therefore, any issues there have to be reported more directly. I agree, sometimes things just go too far too often in that section.

Honestly, I'm on here enough and I too wonder why people flame. (Trolling can be funny, but if it leads to flaming or is malicious, I agree, it's got to be put down).

I would love to monitor Chatterbox and stop flame wars & trolling myself, but it's not your job or mine.

My guess is that your are asking/suggesting there be more enforcement specifically in the areas of flaming/trolling? If so, I agree wholeheartedly and I will continue to assist the Mods by reporting such issues as I witness them.

So yes, NOW I wish for an answer to be given about this from the PTB (Powers That Be) xd
I was just insinuating you hadn't read close enough, or that my explanation was poor.
I'll try to make them shorter in the future, but as of now I think every part is more or less essential when trying to understand what I'm conveying, though, that's just me. It may be that it is a bit hazy still, don't really know what to do about thatxd

Yeah, I get that it is less regulated, you can tell by just visiting it often enough, but it is as you have understood, things go too far and I fear that this light regulation creates foundation for such conduct as you put it. It's not the spam that I'm against, well, it is bound to be anyways, but the flaming, trolling(of the malicious kind) etc., which I wrote about. I'm glad you understand!

Indeed it is not yours or my job to monitor it, but just visiting it and being active in its threads is enough to tell there is a lot of mean things going on there, and as you suggest, actively reporting this is a good way of somehow regulating it.
One thing that would result from a greater amount of reports is the workload, which is why I hinted that there are too few mods, or will be if ppl start doing so.

What I kinda want to see is results, because there are many who roams free and insults, flames etc. without a care in the world. I'm not saying that they should care, it's up to them, but that they should know it isn't ok to flame and all that.

Too long for me to read .__.
then read the summary at least.(if not that, they don't post, it would count as spamming)
 
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I didn't come to NB to read a book. Use spoilers pl0x.
Yeah you apparently came to NB to troll. Refrain from doing useless posts. This section is solely for the purpose of discussing suggestions and answering questions about the site or forum. This said, you spammed, which is against the rules.

Too long for me to read .__.
Then why did you post? Spamming is against the rules.


Now, for the suggestion, i agree. That section needs a different attention. I'll forward this to the upper bosses. Thanks uchihabrat ^^
 

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Yeah you apparently came to NB to troll. Refrain from doing useless posts. This section is solely for the purpose of discussing suggestions and answering questions about the site or forum. This said, you spammed, which is against the rules.



Then why did you post? Spamming is against the rules.


Now, for the suggestion, i agree. That section needs a different attention. I'll forward this to the upper bosses. Thanks uchihabrat ^^
No, THANK YOU for your time! I'm glad someone(let's not forget silent) actually took their time to read that long textxd
 
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