[Theory] The Case Of Rikudou Sennin Being An Uzumaki [Full Version]
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The whole theory and explanation is great and i do agree with you! This thread is great!
But what i dont completely understand is where you say that the rinnegan comes about through the juubi. Madara and Obito both awaken the rinnegan without every coming into contact with it, let alone becoming its jinchuurichi
Its stated that to get the rinnegan you need the body of a senju and the eyes of an uchiha, not just uchiha dna although it could be argued that by having uchiha dna that you basically do have the sharingan.
If what youre saying is true, and the uzumaki bloodline is what the senju and uchiha bloodlines are derived from, doesnt that mean that the uzumaki possess the dna of the uchiha and thus the ability to awaken the sharigan?
Nagato, being of uzumaki lineage, has the senju body part of the rinnegan down, and through Madara's eyes being implanted in him, he gains the other requirement to awaken the rinnegan, which he succeeds in doing.
However, and this is only my highly unlikely idle speculation, but i think that the so6p was indeed uzumaki and that he had his children with a hyuuga woman (this adds a link to with the current storyline ie naruhina as well as the fact that rarely brought up fact that the sharingan is a mutation of the byakugan).
I'm still trying to compensate for the fact the sage is always depicted to have rinnegan with the inferrence that he used his occular prowess and sealing techniques to become its jinchuurichi. Its so very extreme but maybe the sage's wife gave him her byakugan, or more advanced byakugam (which ive seen mentioned in a couple threads but i still dont know what it is), thus combining with his already strong uzumaki body to awaken the rinnegan with which he uses to become the juubi jinchuurichi.
In terms of the distribution of power i agree that the very powerful sealing techniques would have only been shared with the same bloodline as him (wanted to say same clan but yeah), and that the physical attributes that are attained from parents in children would be continued, with his strong uzumaki body manifesting in the senju (possibly have stronger bodies and more stamina than uzumaki's as seen by Hashirama "rousing" his chakra and making a room come apart, something that naruto, of uzumaki blood is not once seen doing. in my opinion it could be that the physical strength of the juubi in combination with the body of the uzumaki is what creates this power) and his occular prowess manifesting in the uchiha, with the origin of the sharingan being the same as what you stated in your OP. Initially, the swirl pattern originally coming from the interaction of juubi eye chakra with his mothers byakugan, By having their mother as a hyuuga, i allow the statement that the sharingan is a mutation of the byakugan to become true. Ie, the swirl pattern is a combination of the juubi's eye and its chakra with the byakugan that mutates to form the sharingan when strong feelings of hatred are fostered.
This is the very brief course of events that i think happened
So6p Gets wifes eyes>gets juubi>has kids>nearing the end of lifespan split juubi into bijuu. Compensates for the fact he has white hair whenever hes depicted, probably he had characteristically red hair of the uzumaki which turned white upon massive exertion, for example splitting the juubi into bijuu, similar to how Nagato's hair turns white after resurrected a bunch of leaf villagers.
This does seem weird to me because he would have had to do her when she didnt have eyes which seems weird but its fiction so whatever, anything to progress the plot.
Tell me if you think theres anything ive missed or if theres any flaws in my logic
Thoroughly enjoyed your OP mate
But what i dont completely understand is where you say that the rinnegan comes about through the juubi. Madara and Obito both awaken the rinnegan without every coming into contact with it, let alone becoming its jinchuurichi
Its stated that to get the rinnegan you need the body of a senju and the eyes of an uchiha, not just uchiha dna although it could be argued that by having uchiha dna that you basically do have the sharingan.
If what youre saying is true, and the uzumaki bloodline is what the senju and uchiha bloodlines are derived from, doesnt that mean that the uzumaki possess the dna of the uchiha and thus the ability to awaken the sharigan?
Nagato, being of uzumaki lineage, has the senju body part of the rinnegan down, and through Madara's eyes being implanted in him, he gains the other requirement to awaken the rinnegan, which he succeeds in doing.
However, and this is only my highly unlikely idle speculation, but i think that the so6p was indeed uzumaki and that he had his children with a hyuuga woman (this adds a link to with the current storyline ie naruhina as well as the fact that rarely brought up fact that the sharingan is a mutation of the byakugan).
I'm still trying to compensate for the fact the sage is always depicted to have rinnegan with the inferrence that he used his occular prowess and sealing techniques to become its jinchuurichi. Its so very extreme but maybe the sage's wife gave him her byakugan, or more advanced byakugam (which ive seen mentioned in a couple threads but i still dont know what it is), thus combining with his already strong uzumaki body to awaken the rinnegan with which he uses to become the juubi jinchuurichi.
In terms of the distribution of power i agree that the very powerful sealing techniques would have only been shared with the same bloodline as him (wanted to say same clan but yeah), and that the physical attributes that are attained from parents in children would be continued, with his strong uzumaki body manifesting in the senju (possibly have stronger bodies and more stamina than uzumaki's as seen by Hashirama "rousing" his chakra and making a room come apart, something that naruto, of uzumaki blood is not once seen doing. in my opinion it could be that the physical strength of the juubi in combination with the body of the uzumaki is what creates this power) and his occular prowess manifesting in the uchiha, with the origin of the sharingan being the same as what you stated in your OP. Initially, the swirl pattern originally coming from the interaction of juubi eye chakra with his mothers byakugan, By having their mother as a hyuuga, i allow the statement that the sharingan is a mutation of the byakugan to become true. Ie, the swirl pattern is a combination of the juubi's eye and its chakra with the byakugan that mutates to form the sharingan when strong feelings of hatred are fostered.
This is the very brief course of events that i think happened
So6p Gets wifes eyes>gets juubi>has kids>nearing the end of lifespan split juubi into bijuu. Compensates for the fact he has white hair whenever hes depicted, probably he had characteristically red hair of the uzumaki which turned white upon massive exertion, for example splitting the juubi into bijuu, similar to how Nagato's hair turns white after resurrected a bunch of leaf villagers.
This does seem weird to me because he would have had to do her when she didnt have eyes which seems weird but its fiction so whatever, anything to progress the plot.
Tell me if you think theres anything ive missed or if theres any flaws in my logic
Thoroughly enjoyed your OP mate
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He had two sons, one would be the "father" of the Uchihas, the other the "father" of the senju clan...
The Uzumaki are long distanced relatives of the senju, so share the relationship to the younger son of the so6p with the senju...
the sage wasnt a uchiha or senju/uzumaki, he was all of them at once
The Uzumaki are long distanced relatives of the senju, so share the relationship to the younger son of the so6p with the senju...
the sage wasnt a uchiha or senju/uzumaki, he was all of them at once
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The Uzumaki is the original bloodline:He had two sons, one would be the "father" of the Uchihas, the other the "father" of the senju clan...
The Uzumaki are long distanced relatives of the senju, so share the relationship to the younger son of the so6p with the senju...
the sage wasnt a uchiha or senju/uzumaki, he was all of them at once
Rikudou Uzumaki+Juubi = Uchiha and Senju
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Manga Chapter 625 has the 4 Hokages standing over The Uzumaki Seal a noter clue by Kishi?
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Yes, the Uzumaki Seal is the original seal of Rikudou Sennin, Kurama recognized it as such. Lol
No, it's called the Eight Trigrams Seal. No one has stated it was handed down by the So6P, Kurama was talking about the Torii seal Naruto used when the original one was destroyed.
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Yes, and the seal in the picture isn't Torii. Minato created 8 triagrams by combining torii w/ other seals.
So which is it Derp, So6P gave the seals to Uzumaki or Uzumaki already had the seals and he learned if from them (which is probably correct). Can't have it both ways.
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You were wrong at one point, Orochimaru craved for the eyes before losing all of his techniques. Therefore, his fetish of Uchihas is no way intertwined with Sasuke or his lost hands.
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But i did say he initially wanted the sharingan to learn all the jutsus, but after losing his arms he changed from wanting a sharingan into needing one
Not sure, I mean, he already had his vessel Kimimaro for body exchange if Kimimaro hadn't caught ilness, there wouldn't have been need of another body, and the logistics timing of when exactly he found out about the tablet is predictable at best, though I agree that right now this theory of yours may explain better.But i did say he initially wanted the sharingan to learn all the jutsus, but after losing his arms he changed from wanting a sharingan into needing one
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Hey Sir Derp I would like to say that this is indeed possibly the case.
I believe the S06P being an Uzumaki is the case considering that would explain why the senju gained such strong life force and vitality being influenced by the Sage's blood line and, the uchiha(older son) being greatly influenced by his Rinnegan + ten tail genetics greatly influencing the eyes. As we know the offspring of jinchuuriki show genetic traits I.E Naruto having whiskers and anger issues due to the 9 tails being in Kushina.
With this being said it is quite possible that the Sharingan is nothing but a genetic mutation influenced by the Ten Tails(Obviously) and would also explain why Sharingan users are stronger from hate due to the genetic traits aquired from the Ten Tails itself.
I believe the S06P being an Uzumaki is the case considering that would explain why the senju gained such strong life force and vitality being influenced by the Sage's blood line and, the uchiha(older son) being greatly influenced by his Rinnegan + ten tail genetics greatly influencing the eyes. As we know the offspring of jinchuuriki show genetic traits I.E Naruto having whiskers and anger issues due to the 9 tails being in Kushina.
With this being said it is quite possible that the Sharingan is nothing but a genetic mutation influenced by the Ten Tails(Obviously) and would also explain why Sharingan users are stronger from hate due to the genetic traits aquired from the Ten Tails itself.
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