The case of Naruto's subconscious battle with kurama.

[Hagoromo sennin]

When it comes to Naruto fighting kurama on even grounds,without Kushinas impromptu rebuttal, most claim its not counted,because its not in the real world,its his subconsciou. But i digress, In that scenario,the fight was like it took place in the real world.lets consider the fact that,
1.the seal holding kurama at bay,holds him in a seperate dimension,one which can be asscessed through Naruto,hence his subconscious. Its stilled happened,one where the basic subconscious advantage couldnt be used,he had to fight kurama at even grounds.
2.People claim that the techniques he used was all "in his head" so to speak..but they werent.
When naruto went into sage mode,his eyelids in the real world took the same sage mode markings,and even when bee rendered assistance,bee still had to tap into Gyuukis' abilities.
So i put it to anyone today who claims it was a subconcious feat,then if its in his mind,why cant he just will kuramas chakra taken by him?,.bcause he still had to fight kurama on even grounds,his mind or not,he had to pull out all stops..
The seal is another seperate dimension Naruto is able to access throught his mind.

 

[Guntah]

Do people really make the argument that it was all in his head? That's just so stupid for so many reasons....

BTW...why the RP section?

 

[Yang release]

Smfhhh don't listen to ppl bro smfh . They are just hating on Naruto because they feel Sasuke should be the MC it's all about opinions .

 

[Hagoromo sennin]

Smfhhh don't listen to ppl bro smfh . They are just hating on Naruto because they feel Sasuke should be the MC it's all about opinions .

its not only them..to others who claim hes nothing without kurama.

He was able to fight kurama to near succession

 

[LeSauce]

It was all in his head.

 

[The Necromancer]

Do people really make the argument that it was all in his head? That's just so stupid for so many reasons....

BTW...why the RP section?

Uh, because it was?

Do you really think there is a tiny sewage plant inside of Naruto's stomach where a fox fired bombs at a miniature naruto?

 

[Hagoromo sennin]

It was all in his head.

Typical stupidity...then explain why he had to go sagemode,when he could will it if it was all "in his head"
Tell me why sasuke pushed back kuramas influence and naruto couldnt go all kyubbi on his ass?
Your a troll..will just avoid you now.

Uh, because it was?

Do you really think there is a tiny sewage plant inside of Naruto's stomach where a fox fired bombs at a miniature naruto?

I made mention of it being another dimension asccessble through his subconcious.

 

[Guntah]

Uh, because it was?

Do you really think there is a tiny sewage plant inside of Naruto's stomach where a fox fired bombs at a miniature naruto?

I mean, in relation to his feats. Its obviously that it's all in his head, but what I meant is "Do they argue that his feats don't count because it is all in his head?"

Thought that was implied given the thread's context..

 

[HENI]

He didnt really fight Kurama. It happened in his LucidDream.

 

[Illuminater]

It could've happened in his head. As far as I know there hasn't been any confirmation on whether it's inside of his head or a different dimension.
Maybe he was fighting Kurama in a chakra dimension?

 

[Hagoromo sennin]

He didnt really fight Kurama. It happened in his LucidDream.

Oh pray tell how he attained KCM troll...

 

[Nick01]

Naruto would've accomplished the same feats outside his head. Faps just be hating. :sdo:

 

[SenseiSama]

When it comes to Naruto fighting kurama on even grounds,without Kushinas impromptu rebuttal, most claim its not counted,because its not in the real world,its his subconsciou. But i digress, In that scenario,the fight was like it took place in the real world.lets consider the fact that,
1.the seal holding kurama at bay,holds him in a seperate dimension,one which can be asscessed through Naruto,hence his subconscious. Its stilled happened,one where the basic subconscious advantage couldnt be used,he had to fight kurama at even grounds.
2.People claim that the techniques he used was all "in his head" so to speak..but they werent.
When naruto went into sage mode,his eyelids in the real world took the same sage mode markings,and even when bee rendered assistance,bee still had to tap into Gyuukis' abilities.
So i put it to anyone today who claims it was a subconcious feat,then if its in his mind,why cant he just will kuramas chakra taken by him?,.bcause he still had to fight kurama on even grounds,his mind or not,he had to pull out all stops..
The seal is another seperate dimension Naruto is able to access throught his mind.

Brilliant thread with manga facts. 10/10 shit on all the haters

 

[jamarcusp17]

Seriously, though. If the two were in Konoha, Naruto with just Sage Mode and his regular techniques and Kurama with just one-half of his original chakra, do you think Naruto could win? Keep in mind that Naruto--unlike many other people, such as Hashirama, Tobirama, Minato, and even Sasuke--does not have anything to realistically protect him from one of Kurama's tails, let alone a Tailed Beast Bomb.

I also created a thread a few days ago about how Naruto was able to gain incredible speed in KCM, and several people agreed that it's just a power of Kurama's. If that is the case, does Naruto have a way to counteract that?

The most Naruto would be capable of doing is picking Kurama up, like what he did in the fight against Pain.

Think about it: if KCM Naruto is an upgraded version of Naruto, why would Naruto alone be able to defeat Kurama? Does that make a lot of since to those of you who believe what happened was reality?

 

[SenseiSama]

Seriously, though. If the two were in Konoha, Naruto with just Sage Mode and his regular techniques and Kurama with just one-half of his original chakra, do you think Naruto could win?

Naruto with Sage Mode wouldn't be the same Naruto that fought Pain, with experience he always gets 10x better at using a new power. So yes he would win that fight.

Keep in mind that Naruto--unlike many other people, such as Hashirama, Tobirama, Minato, and even Sasuke--does not have anything to realistically protect him from one of Kurama's tails, let alone a Tailed Beast Bomb.

For protection Kishi would've given him a logical plot device like Minato's kunai, Jiraiya's toad stomach summon or Uzumaki techs.

I also created a thread a few days ago about how Naruto was able to gain incredible speed in KCM, and several people agreed that it's just a power of Kurama's. If that is the case, does Naruto have a way to counteract that?

Again it's just plot, Naruto is at the puberty age where his body will keep drastically growing, the Naruto we saw against Pain isn't the same one that was able to fight Kurama and unlock BSM within two days.

Besides that he never really needed high level shunshin against Sasuke just good reaction time which Sage Mode gives him with sensing feats, and he was able to match Sasuke's taijutsu since part 1.

The most Naruto would be capable of doing is picking Kurama up, like what he did in the fight against Pain.

Think about it: if KCM Naruto is an upgraded version of Naruto, why would Naruto alone be able to defeat Kurama? Does that make a lot of since to those of you who believe what happened was reality?

Nope, Ashura's special power was the use of Sage Mode, bijuu chakra is just a bonus like Mokuton is for Hashirama. As Ashura's transmigrant Naruto's SM would easily be stronger than Kurama.

When he fought Pain he had no experience and as he's shown countless time once he has experience fighting with a new power he drastically gets better at using.

 

[jamarcusp17]

Naruto with Sage Mode wouldn't be the same Naruto that fought Pain, with experience he always gets 10x better at using a new power. So yes he would win that fight.



For protection Kishi would've given him a logical plot device like Minato's kunai, Jiraiya's toad stomach summon or Uzumaki techs.



Again it's just plot, Naruto is at the puberty age where his body will keep drastically growing, the Naruto we saw against Pain isn't the same one that was able to fight Kurama and unlock BSM within two days.

Besides that he never really needed high level shunshin against Sasuke just good reaction time which Sage Mode gives him with sensing feats, and he was able to match Sasuke's taijutsu since part 1.




Nope, Ashura's special power was the use of Sage Mode, bijuu chakra is just a bonus like Mokuton is for Hashirama. As Ashura's transmigrant Naruto's SM would easily be stronger than Kurama.

When he fought Pain he had no experience and as he's shown countless time once he has experience fighting with a new power he drastically gets better at using.

Yet, all of what you just said is either not proven, not factual, or illogical.

 

[LeSauce]

Typical stupidity...then explain why he had to go sagemode,when he could will it if it was all "in his head"
Tell me why sasuke pushed back kuramas influence and naruto couldnt go all kyubbi on his ass?
Your a troll..will just avoid you now.

Lmao

Why you salty? His mind feats don't count.

 

[Tantalus Thief]

I consider them real NV feats too. It's not like Naruto did anything completely ridiculous even for NV standards.

 

[The Necromancer]

I made mention of it being another dimension asccessble through his subconcious.

Ok? You're wrong. That's not how this fuinjutsu works.

 

[Monkey D Uchiha]

Naruto is featless without kurama if he wants to fight against a jounin+