the byakugan is more powerful than the mangekyou sharingan

[Rikodu senin madara]

It's either your trolling or plain stupid.

 

[Respect Uchiha Madara]

It's either your trolling or plain stupid.

read it if you cannot see why the byakugan is actually better than a 3 tomoe sharingan and equal or atleast close and not outclass to the mangekyou than you did not read it right.

 

[Eternal Solitude]

I don't think so.

 

[New Era]

some of you don't even read it and say your opinions atleast look at the byakugan abilities and it is hilarious to know that you think kids with the byakugan is it's fullest extent,

the sharingan has some adults who are shown with the ability multiple times and byakugan doesn't ,neji didn't master his byakugan.

 

[gordo1]

Just stop.

 

[New Era]

the byakugan is not a weak eye most of you think it is out classed by a 3 tomoe eye and that is not even true and it is a very powerful dojutsu.

 

[Rohasu]

Naruto > Rinnegan > Byakugan > Sharingan

I completely agree!

 

[New Era]

I completely agree!

lol

 

[Fearmonger]

you don't need to be the same blood line it is just easier to break that way, you can't fight back in that genjutsu if you were kakashi but if you follow the rules of breaking genjutsu then dirupting the chakra source applies.So that is why bee broke sasuke tsykuyomi since he disrupted it.
you can prepare since they know when they will attack because of the changes of chakra so they can be prepared for heavenly rotation so amerterasu won't really work since they know it is comin from their chakra.

they can use heavenly rotation to block attacks and they know when they will attack for sussanno.

1)Bee broke out because Gyuki was there to break him out. Unless your a sharingan user with the same blood as the caster or a jinchuriki you can't break tsukuyomi.

2) There is no disruption of chakra flow to be seen when using amaterasu,I don't know where you got such false information from. Even if it did create a fluctuation of chakra it would be too late by the time it was even noticed. The hyuuga would be set ablaze before he could even begin twirling. Nagato sensed amaterasu because he was a sensor type and his edo body is designed to quickly react to any danger and he still got hit.

3) So I guess you think Heavenly Rotation has the same defense as Ooniki and Gaara's Giant sand and rock golem defense? Pitifull.

 

[Respect Uchiha Madara]

1)Bee broke out because Gyuki was there to break him out. Unless your a sharingan user with the same blood as the caster or a jinchuriki you can't break tsukuyomi.

2) There is no disruption of chakra flow to be seen when using amaterasu,I don't know where you got such false information from. Even if it did create a fluctuation of chakra it would be too late by the time it was even noticed. The hyuuga would be set ablaze before he could even begin twirling. Nagato sensed amaterasu because he was a sensor type and his edo body is designed to quickly react to any danger and he still got hit.

3) So I guess you think Heavenly Rotation has the same defense as Ooniki and Gaara's Giant sand and rock golem defense? Pitifull.

first you said you need to be a blood relative and the reason why the jinchuriki can break out is because of the major law of genjutsu to disurpt your chakra and he had a companion to make it easier. the byakugan user have an eye to make it easier to disupt their chakra do you understand.

when you use a jutsu or when an eye is activated to use a jutsu you are aware of it if you have good chakra seeing eye and the rinnegan is one of it, it is not better in sight than the byakugan but shares some of it's sight with it of seeing the chakra.Nagato felt the chakra and thought it was amerterasu because of the similar chakra it has with the tech of being an mangekyou sharingan do you understand this.

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what do you want to hear of heavenly rotation what do you not understand it depends on the user chakra and if the user has good enough chakra to do it, heavenly rotation deflects the attack lol.

you have to understand that heavenly rotation depends on the user chakra so it can defend better than those tech's.

 

[Maunten]

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The EMS would give Neji trouble, the Mangekyo Sharingan causes extreme exhaustion way before it get's into the prolonged use time frame.

Sasuke or Itachi using MS as frequently as a lot of you are suggesting is in no way possible.

 

[New Era]

the byakugan has counters to the mangekyou sharingan and it is not outclass people just see the sharingan more and just think the 3 tomoe is better than the byakugan.

the byakugan can challenge an mangekyou sharingan user depending on the user's all we have seen from the byakugan user's are mostly kids not the master's them self fight but some just don't care.

 

[Maunten]

the byakugan has counters to the mangekyou sharingan and it is not outclass people just see the sharingan more and just think the 3 tomoe is better than the byakugan.

the byakugan can challenge an mangekyou sharingan user depending on the user's all we have seen from the byakugan user's are mostly kids not the master's them self fight but some just don't care.

True, and even then we have seen some incredible feats, for example hinata has seen up to 10km, could zoom in on a fly, other hyuga have displayed x-ray vision as well as heat vision.

Neji can disrupt the chakra flow of ninjutsu with on strike, and easily incapacitated Kisame's clones with gentle fist 8 T G.

Hiashi of the hyuga clan took out an elite in one blow, and moved in too quickly from him to react.

Btw it is noted that the sharingan users are better at predicting attacks but this does not mean that the Hyuga's eyes can not do the same any better than anyone other than the Uchiha, they should be the second best telling where an attack is going to land.


They can see the attack coming from miles away due to their incredible eye sight, they can know the nature of the attack before it is released, they can know how powerful it will be, how much chakra is used.

Also since they have x-ray vision and the ability to see vital points, even in Taijutsu they should be able to tell what kind of Taijutsu attacks are going to be used and where they will be aimed.

Sharingan can do it better because their eyes and brain process information faster, they also use suggestive genjutsu which requires eye contact, which can actually manipulate where the person is going to strike and how.

In some cases suggestive genjutsu can even effect hand sign formation!!

This is why it seems as if the uchiha will out do the hyuga in Taijutsu, but since they can't make eye contact they can't use suggestive genjutsu.

Meaning that it is the uchiha ability to process movements quickly vs the hyuga's ability to see things in greater detail than anyone else.

If the Hyuga are too fast for the Uchiha to react, and 64 palm is famously fast, the ability to process what is seen is useless.

 

[New Era]

True, and even then we have seen some incredible feats, for example hinata has seen up to 10km, could zoom in on a fly, other hyuga have displayed x-ray vision as well as heat vision.

Neji can disrupt the chakra flow of ninjutsu with on strike, and easily incapacitated Kisame's clones with gentle fist 8 T G.

Hiashi of the hyuga clan took out an elite in one blow, and moved in too quickly from him to react.

Btw it is noted that the sharingan users are better at predicting attacks but this does not mean that the Hyuga's eyes can not do the same any better than anyone other than the Uchiha, they should be the second best telling where an attack is going to land.


They can see the attack coming from miles away due to their incredible eye sight, they can know the nature of the attack before it is released, they can know how powerful it will be, how much chakra is used.

Also since they have x-ray vision and the ability to see vital points, even in Taijutsu they should be able to tell what kind of Taijutsu attacks are going to be used and where they will be aimed.

Sharingan can do it better because their eyes and brain process information faster, they also use suggestive genjutsu which requires eye contact, which can actually manipulate where the person is going to strike and how.

In some cases suggestive genjutsu can even effect hand sign formation!!

This is why it seems as if the uchiha will out do the hyuga in Taijutsu, but since they can't make eye contact they can't use suggestive genjutsu.

Meaning that it is the uchiha ability to process movements quickly vs the hyuga's ability to see things in greater detail than anyone else.

If the Hyuga are too fast for the Uchiha to react, and 64 palm is famously fast, the ability to process what is seen is useless.

your right because so of the uchiha cannot copy there tech's and it is too fast for some to try to avooid by the prediction and they have to take it straight on or they can get injured like naruto vs sasuke fight.
for a 3 tomoe though

 

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Examples how an elite hyuga (neji) can counter EMS tech from a top uchiha (sasuke)

 

[Fearmonger]

first you said you need to be a blood relative and the reason why the jinchuriki can break out is because of the major law of genjutsu to disurpt your chakra and he had a companion to make it easier. the byakugan user have an eye to make it easier to disupt their chakra do you understand.

when you use a jutsu or when an eye is activated to use a jutsu you are aware of it if you have good chakra seeing eye and the rinnegan is one of it, it is not better in sight than the byakugan but shares some of it's sight with it of seeing the chakra.Nagato felt the chakra and thought it was amerterasu because of the similar chakra it has with the tech of being an mangekyou sharingan do you understand this.

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what do you want to hear of heavenly rotation what do you not understand it depends on the user chakra and if the user has good enough chakra to do it, heavenly rotation deflects the attack lol.

you have to understand that heavenly rotation depends on the user chakra so it can defend better than those tech's.

1) So what your telling me is that a hyuuga's eyes have their own seperate supply of chakra and functions independantly and can send it's personal supply of chakra into the hyuuga's body to get them out of tsukuyomi?

2) Rinnegan does not see chakra. Nagato is a sensor type and was able to sense the "pressure" of amaterasu,his rinnegan had nothing to do with it. There is no known sensor type hyuuga.

3) You overrate heavenly rotation. The person with powerful enough chakra to deflect those moves with only a thin wall of chakra would have to be the SO6P.

 

[Respect Uchiha Madara]

1) So what your telling me is that a hyuuga's eyes have their own seperate supply of chakra and functions independantly and can send it's personal supply of chakra into the hyuuga's body to get them out of tsukuyomi?

2) Rinnegan does not see chakra. Nagato is a sensor type and was able to sense the "pressure" of amaterasu,his rinnegan had nothing to do with it. There is no known sensor type hyuuga.

3) You overrate heavenly rotation. The person with powerful enough chakra to deflect those moves with only a thin wall of chakra would have to be the SO6P.

what do you not understand about disrupting your own chakra.THe hygua are in sync with their chakra and can disrupt it themself's they have good understanding of their chakra.


the rinnegan see's chakra and gives good chakra control since you can distribute your chakra amoungst six bodies what are you saying, how did nagato see the hidden barrier because he saw the chakra of the barrier.
What does the byakugan do and why are they sent on scout quest's it is because they can look for chakra signals like hinata did with tobi.

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how can i overrate something that depends on the user's chakra no you don't need someone like the ten tails jinchuriki to block susanno just the right amount of chakra.

 

[Maunten]

Byakugan is not about power but precision that is why there Taijutsu fighting style is called gentle fist, it is not about power, unlike the Strong Fist, Gentle Fist rarely concentrates on overwhelming power.

Byakugan have eyes that enable them to do more damage to an opponent than the most powerful could do.

The Uchiha masters of Sharingan can analyse what they see faster than any other shinobi could hope to see.

The Hyuga masters of Byakugan can see more than any other shinobi can ever hope to see.

Both allow them to be incredible warriors in battle, have we seen one main character Hyuga die other than the brother who gave himself up for execution?

The Hyuga are not weak by any stretch it is because of how efficient that they are.

Why can they block an attack by susanoo?

Chakra is the physical energy and life force of a shinobi, all ninjutsu are made completely of chakra.

Ninjutsu beasts such as water dragons, Fire Phoenix

Hyuga using Gentle Fist can ruin the chakra network of any shinobi killing them, gentle fist penetrates below the skin.

Hyuga using Vacuum Palm (which can be used at short to mid range) can disrupt the chakra flow of ninjutsu creatures, thus destroying them.

This is not done because of raw power, they use the byakugan to spot the weak points, to spot the vital points and to strike with better precision than any other shinobi in NU.

Not a good idea in any fight to underestimate precision and efficiency and choose power over it.

 

[Fearmonger]

what do you not understand about disrupting your own chakra.THe hygua are in sync with their chakra and can disrupt it themself's they have good understanding of their chakra.


the rinnegan see's chakra and gives good chakra control since you can distribute your chakra amoungst six bodies what are you saying, how did nagato see the hidden barrier because he saw the chakra of the barrier.
What does the byakugan do and why are they sent on scout quest's it is because they can look for chakra signals like hinata did with tobi.

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how can i overrate something that depends on the user's chakra no you don't need someone like the ten tails jinchuriki to block susanno just the right amount of chakra.

1) Yes but as I said before;to disrupt their own chakra ninjas have to make a handseal. It's a jutsu called kai. This won't work if that ninja is immobilised. If your trying to say that a hyuuga won't have to make a hand seal then fine,they can be attacked and killed before they manage to break tsukuyomi. Also,know that some genjutsu are too advanced to be exited by a mere disruption of chakra(you see what happened to Naruto in a weaker genjutsu). That is why Itachi said that the only way to break tsukuyomi by yourself is to have a fully matured sharingan and uchiha blood.

2) I told you Nagato was a sensor did I not? And no,spreading your chakra to 6 paths of pain does not mean you have good chakra control,its the same as creating shadow clones. And like I said;even if they can see it coming that does not mean they have the speed or reflexes to dodge amaterasu.

3) Yeah,a hyuuga does not have the chakra of the ten tails.

 

[Maunten]

Ok I will begin my explanation.

For the sake of clarity and as little chakra advantage as possibly I will use Neji and Sasuke.

A shortened version is not being made, please read all before criticisin.

Please do not just attack because the whole idea angers you.

This post is for the sake of a constructive and interesting discussion.

Flames may come anyway xd.

BTW it is my opinion that MS Sasuke loses to Neji, as an MS Sharingan user is basically a Sharingan user with Nukes that can be used 3 times max in one day, as for EMS vs Byakugan It would be a high diff win if Byakugan were to win.

How Byakugan could win will be explained below.


Alright Let's start with what EMS can do and how Byakugan can counter it.

I will also point out the negatives of using these skills while only having MS to validate my Byakugan > MS stance.


So to start Sasukes EMS is quite special (blaze release), and at the same time lacking (Tsukuyomi ,absolute prowess in Sharingan Genjutsu, still not in his possession).

Sasuke Can​

Cast Sharingan Genjutsu, with MS it wore him down considerably, but with EMS he seems to be only slightly weakened after casting it.

This is a much weaker version of Tsukuyomi, but it does incapacitate the Shinobi that falls under it, even if it is just momentarily it provides crucial openings.


Amaterasu said by zetsu to "converge at the focal point of the caster, I will not go (completely) by the data book description of the speed of Amaterasu, as this description has not been supported by feats within the manga.

What I will do, is say that the flames are much faster than normal katon, and the flames burn it's target completely unless they are sealed, dispelled by force or shed with the skin or any other outer layer.

There are no other ways to remove the flames, and they will burn until the target is consumed completely, or if not maintained by the caster for more than three days.


Susanoo, this is usually praised for it's powerful (but breakable defense) in actually fact it is also a very powerful offensive tech, it seems Sasuke can place a ball of Amaterasu into the hand of his Susanoo's and use blaze release to send flames from that ball to targets.

Susanoo is made from Amaterasu like chakra and given by Tsukuyomi, it is a manifestation of the chakra of the user and a Double MS (DMS) is required for it to be activated.

If a DMS user uses Susanoo it would completely wear them out and make battling further difficult even if MS techs are not used.




I will now talk about how the Byakugan can battle the above three.

Sharingan Genjutsu

This attack is weaker than Tsukuyomi, it can not control time in the Genjutsu world, and danzo was able to counter it, though I will assume that sasuke has strengthened it since that battle.

Byakugan users have x-ray vision, being able to see through solid objects such as walls, they can also see using heat vision, chakra nature detection and chakra network vision.

X-ray vision is more important right now, because they can see through walls logic would suggest that they can see through eye lids which are considerably thinner.

So Byakugan users can see the battle field in great detail with their eyes closed, at near 360 degrees vision and with neji for at least 800 meters.

Neji will not fall under Sharingan Genjutsu as Sasuke will not be able to make eye contact with him.

Sasuke has not been shown to use any other significantly powerful Genjutsu other than Sharingan Genjutsu.

Neji as a Hyuga, and thus a member of one of the best sensing type ninja in NU, and an Expert Gentle Fist user, thus having great chakra control, can free himself from the lesser ones.

Amaterasu

Sasuke is more advanced in this it would seem, by feats alone, than any other Uchiha.

Now Neji can use Revolving Heaven to repel the flames.

There is a problem here though that should not be ignored.

From short range due to the speed of the highest ranking katon, amaterasu, using Revolving Heaven should not be possible as it can not be activated in time, at mid range it is unlikely that anyone other than a Gentle Fist master can activate it in time.

Neji can however use Revolving Heaven in time throughout the rest of the battle if he survives the first, or the first two Amaterasu attacks, I will explain why after I suggest how Neji can survive them.

There are two ways.

The First Way.

It may take some time to activate Revolving Heaven but it takes is considerably less time for Neji to envelope himself in powerful (and not yet penetrated in the manga) chakra, shown below.

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You can see here that it acts as an outer shell, now I do not suggest that the amaterasu will not burn through the shell, it will eventually, but becasue amaterasu burns slowly, and Neji can keep replenishing his chakra shell, the danger is not immediate.

He won't keep replenishing his chakra shell forever, this is neither practical or possible, he also does not need to as the amaterasu flames can now be repelled as Neji has enough time to now use Revolving Heaven.

The Second Way

If Neji fails to activate his chakra shell in time and gets hit by amaterasu, he can in fact still survive. Why?​

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Neji can survive because he has displayed the ability to emit chakra from every part of his body, as you can see from the picture above Neji did this with enough force to remove the webs from himself, he had to this because the webs were too strong for him, a Taijutsu expert, to remove physically.

Another important factor is that the chakra comes from within Neji's body, meaning that he can use this method to push the amaterasu off of his body without touching it at all.

So we have established now that there are at least two ways that Neji can survive a direct hit from susanoo.

Now!! Hyuga clan members can see the chakra network of their oppponent, they can see the chakra nature also.

Now when ninjutsu is going to be used there is a change in both chakra flow of the network and in the nature of the chakra.​

Neji a byakugan user can see this change, (shown below, notice the change in the amount and type of chakra in the local area of the chakra network in his opponents head)

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he can remember this for the next time amaterasu is about to be used, when this happens he has significantly more time to use Revolving Heaven because he can use it preemptively, or in fact counter Amaterasu preemptively, using Eight Trigrams Vacumm Palm for example, or dodge preemptively.

Susnaoo

It is pure chakra with form, ninjutsu is chakra given form and often a specific nature, if you have great chakra control you can mold the chakra and the chakra nature without hand signs, but many can not.

In the case of Susanoo, Tsukuyomi molds the chakra that drives Amaterasu, this results in Susanoo.

Neji has shown the ability use Byakugan (to see the weak points of a Ninjutsu's chakra structure) in conjunction with Gentle Fist (The ability to release chakra from tenketsu to directly disrupt the flow of chakra) to totally disrupt the chakra flow of the whole Ninjutsu tech, thus making it totally devoid of a definite form and thus ending the Ninjutsu (Ninjutsu is molded chakra).

Neji using gentle fist to destroy the form of Kisame's Water Prison ninjutsu.

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Note that it is almost impossible for a Shinobi to move in a water prison.

Unusually great feats of strength or chakra are required to escape, because of this Water Prison is used as a way to drown even Jounin rank Shinobi, or if not kill, incapacitate them.​

Susanoo is a ninjutsu, it is chakra given form, if Neji can disrupt the flow of chakra with a powerful enough gentle palm tech (Eight Trigrams Vacuum Palm for example) the form of susanoo will be destroyed, not through overwhelming power but with the finesse of a precision blow.

Eight Trigrams Vacuum Palm

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Also If Neji can block enough chakra paths after Susanoo is dispersed he can prevent it from being activated a second time.

That Is My Explanation & Argument.