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The Bunshin Misery In "The Last"
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The clone failed in the movie. Has nobody been listening?
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We read that, thats not what the problem is.
The problem is naruto attempting kage bunshin in the first place.
LOL, using bad translated page for your favor?
Then when Naruto was reading the scroll why did he said "Tajuu Kage Bunshin No Jutsu" and not "Kage Bunshin No Jutsu"? ;P
Link a raw page of it and if the kanjis are not "Tajuu Kage Bunshin" (see Naruto wikia) then okay! ;P
However, as I said even Databooks said that Naruto only learned Tajuu Kage Bunshin" from the scroll:
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LOL, so despite he was only able to perfom it after reading everything from the scroll it is a sin now to attempt using a jutsu?
And as I wrotte, only Taju Kage Bunshin was written inside the scroll, Kage Bunshin was legal to be used by anyone. Even outsider ninjas could use it (Kakashi Gaiden). So why wouldn't Naruto saw it before the scroll?
Again 1: Please, link a raw version where Naruto readin the scroll to prove that the translation is not bad. Because in the anime when Naruto was reading the scroll he said "Taju Kage Bunshin No Jutsu" and not "Kage Bunshin No Jutsu". And the first anime episode appeared faaar before the 10th movie. ;P
Again 2: Kishimoto could change it but didn't and as he forced SP to put the red scarf into the movie he could easily force them to not attempting using Kage Bunshin neither.
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You are being way too dense and not realizing it
There is no difference between Tajuu kage bunshin and kage bunshin except the former being done on a large scale with large chakra reserve.
He learned kage bunshin and then did it so that he created a 1000 clones. Anime is unreliable.
The method of kage bunshin, the hand sign and all is different from what they teach in academy, he shouldn't know how to even attempt it in the first place if the first time he is doing it in in this chapter.
Don't avoid my questions!
First: link me a RAW version of the page when Naruto reads the scroll! If the kanjis shows Tajuu Kage Bunshin...
Second: again, Kage Bunshin is a technique that EVEN OUTSIDERS USED EASILY (see Kakashi Gaiden Rock Ninja), so Naruto could easily seen it. He even mentioned when he was reading the scroll "why it is starting with something that I'm not good at it", which could be easily a reference that he knew about it already just sucked to using it.
Third: again, what he read from the Scroll was the Tajuu Kage Bunshin, a KINJUTSU, while Kage Bunshin was a technique that wasn't kinjutsu, so Naruto could easily see it before and just because he couldn't use it he could attempt it as it is not changing the fact that the first time when he could finally SUCCESFULLY use it was in chapter one.
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Ugh. It's the same technique.
Just like how rasengan, oddama rasengan, Cho Odama rasengan, etc. Is the same technique.
There's no difference. Not even in handseals.
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Don't avoid my questions!
First: link me a RAW version of the page when Naruto reads the scroll! If the kanjis shows Tajuu Kage Bunshin...
Second: again, Kage Bunshin is a technique that EVEN OUTSIDERS USED EASILY (see Kakashi Gaiden Rock Ninja), so Naruto could easily seen it. He even mentioned when he was reading the scroll "why it is starting with something that I'm not good at it", which could be easily a reference that he knew about it already just sucked to using it.
Third: again, what he read from the Scroll was the Tajuu Kage Bunshin, a KINJUTSU, while Kage Bunshin was a technique that wasn't kinjutsu, so Naruto could easily see it before and just because he couldn't use it he could attempt it as it is not changing the fact that the first time when he could finally SUCCESFULLY use it was in chapter one.
Is there a point to give you the raw unless you can read it? Btw do you even google bro, cant find it yourself?
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Naruto just happened to see it from some random fodder lmao and just learned the method lmao, when he has difficulty in learning things that are simplified to the extreme lmao!
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Not even the hardcore fans would say that naruto learned a technique just by seeing it
Naruto knows that he is bad with clones what of it?
First, Thank you for linking me!
And yes, WHAT NARUTO READ AND LEARNED FROM THE SCROLL WAS TAJU KAGE BUNSHIN NO JUTSU!!
The kanjis of Taju Kage Bunshin No Jutsu:
多重影分身の術
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(kanji text)
多重 = Taju
影分身 = Kage Bunshin
の術 = No Jutsu
And what was written there: 多重影分身, and not 影分身 !
As you can see, it's the same kanjis as "Taju Kage Bunshin No Jutsu" (多重影分身の術)!
One victory point for me! XD
Didn't learned a technique just by seeing it? Then how could he use:
- Sasuke's "Shishi Rendan" (Lion Combo)? By seeing him and copy it!
- Gudodama that he never had and didn't even had time to training with them after he got them? By seeing Obito and Madara using them!
So no, there are several times when Naruto used other techniques simply by seeing them and copy them. The reason why he couldn't use Kage Bunshin because he only seen it but didn't knew how to use it, while "Shishi Rendan" was a simple kicking comob, so of course he could copy it without problem.
Two victory for me! XD
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this right here
He could use Transformation Jutsu and Bunshin No Jutsu already, but like in the movie, he always failed to use them correctly and something stupid came out from them.
Also, the Kage Bunshin also failed like normal Bunshin, so even if we would avoiding the facts we can clearly say that the outcome is the same, as the clones didn't worked as they had to.
So technicaly there was no mistake, as the clones didn't work. Mentaly, some "certain fans" are riding on "he tried to use Kage Bunshin, it's a mistake, non-canon movie" while they forgot that what Naruto first used and read/learned from the scroll was Taju Kage Bunshin, a Kinjutsu, so no technical mistake.
LOL, first, I am not an "NH" as I don't even like any pairings from Naruto my dear little salty NS fangirl. ;P
Justify what? You can't even tell why he shouldn't know about normal Kage Bunshin while what he read and learned from the scroll and managed to use first time was Taju Kage Bunshin, which is a kinjutsu unlike normal Kage Bunshin, which us used even by non-Konoha ninjas (see Kakashi Gaiden).
But for you again:
WHAT NARUTO READ AND LEARNED FROM THE SCROLL WAS TAJU KAGE BUNSHIN NO JUTSU!!
The kanjis of Taju Kage Bunshin No Jutsu:
多重影分身の術
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(kanji text)
多重 = Taju
影分身 = Kage Bunshin
の術 = No Jutsu
And what was written there: 多重影分身, and not 影分身 !
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As you can see, it's the same kanjis as "Taju Kage Bunshin No Jutsu" (多重影分身の術)!
Didn't learned a technique just by seeing it? Then how could he use:
- Sasuke's "Shishi Rendan" (Lion Combo)? By seeing him and copy it!
- Gudodama that he never had and didn't even had time to training with them after he got them? By seeing Obito and Madara using them!
So no, there are several times when Naruto used other techniques simply by seeing them and copy them. The reason why he couldn't use Kage Bunshin because he only seen it but didn't knew how to use it, while "Shishi Rendan" was a simple kicking comob, so of course he could copy it without problem.
So there was no mistake, as what Naruto read, learned and managed to use from the scroll was Taju Kage Bunshin, a kinjutsu, and what he TRIED but FAILED to use was normal Kage Bunshin.
But if you can explain why Naruto shouldn't know about normal Kage Bunshin before he read the Scroll while what he read and learned from the scroll was Taju Kage Bunshin then okay! It is the same when Sasuke used a hawk as summoning for the first time despite even Tobi didn't knew about it.
And no, it's different using a technique that every second ninja can use even outside Konoha and a technique which not only on a higher level, but also labeled as a Kinjutsu. The "Taju" kanjis weren't there for decoration.
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He could use Transformation Jutsu and Bunshin No Jutsu already, but like in the movie, he always failed to use them correctly and something stupid came out from them.
Also, the Kage Bunshin also failed like normal Bunshin, so even if we would avoiding the facts we can clearly say that the outcome is the same, as the clones didn't worked as they had to.
So technicaly there was no mistake, as the clones didn't work. Mentaly, some "certain fans" are riding on "he tried to use Kage Bunshin, it's a mistake, non-canon movie" while they forgot that what Naruto first used and read/learned from the scroll was Taju Kage Bunshin, a Kinjutsu, so no technical mistake.
LOL, first, I am not an "NH" as I don't even like any pairings from Naruto my dear little salty NS fangirl. ;P
Justify what? You can't even tell why he shouldn't know about normal Kage Bunshin while what he read and learned from the scroll and managed to use first time was Taju Kage Bunshin, which is a kinjutsu unlike normal Kage Bunshin, which us used even by non-Konoha ninjas (see Kakashi Gaiden).
But for you again:
WHAT NARUTO READ AND LEARNED FROM THE SCROLL WAS TAJU KAGE BUNSHIN NO JUTSU!!
The kanjis of Taju Kage Bunshin No Jutsu:
多重影分身の術
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(kanji text)
多重 = Taju
影分身 = Kage Bunshin
の術 = No Jutsu
And what was written there: 多重影分身, and not 影分身 !
You must be registered for see links
As you can see, it's the same kanjis as "Taju Kage Bunshin No Jutsu" (多重影分身の術)!
Didn't learned a technique just by seeing it? Then how could he use:
- Sasuke's "Shishi Rendan" (Lion Combo)? By seeing him and copy it!
- Gudodama that he never had and didn't even had time to training with them after he got them? By seeing Obito and Madara using them!
So no, there are several times when Naruto used other techniques simply by seeing them and copy them. The reason why he couldn't use Kage Bunshin because he only seen it but didn't knew how to use it, while "Shishi Rendan" was a simple kicking comob, so of course he could copy it without problem.
So there was no mistake, as what Naruto read, learned and managed to use from the scroll was Taju Kage Bunshin, a kinjutsu, and what he TRIED but FAILED to use was normal Kage Bunshin.
But if you can explain why Naruto shouldn't know about normal Kage Bunshin before he read the Scroll while what he read and learned from the scroll was Taju Kage Bunshin then okay! It is the same when Sasuke used a hawk as summoning for the first time despite even Tobi didn't knew about it.
And no, it's different using a technique that every second ninja can use even outside Konoha and a technique which not only on a higher level, but also labeled as a Kinjutsu. The "Taju" kanjis weren't there for decoration.
Of course Naruto was unable to use kage bunshin no jutsu before he learned taju kage bunshin no jutsu. Kage bunshin is a jonin level technique, to someone whose regular bunshins are bad it's impossible to have known how to perform a technique of much higher level at such a young age.
The usage of kage bunshin was clearly a mistake.
It doesn't matter though.
Not quite, because Naruto probably just saw someone using Kage Bunshin but didn't know how to perfom it succesfully until reading the scroll.
But I think you are right.