Kakashi already knew the tech. He just suggested it to zabuza via sharingan genjutsu. Then after a couple more mind games zabuza tripped up on himself letting kakashi finish first.kakashi has shown the best hand seal feats i mean he summon the the water dragon the same time as zabuza how a head start on a jutsu that requires 40 hand signs.
Kid don't make yourself look retarded.1) If you exclude his S/T as you said, then he's far from fastest. Rock Lee, Might Gai, 3rd Raikage, 4th Raikage, Sauske, Tsuande, Naruto, Kakashi, and I'm sure many others are undoubtedly faster then him when it comes to base speed. Yes he has fast base speed but not near enough to be #1. What makes him such a speed threat is his S/T, which has a max speed of that of a kunai, which is slow compared to many. He's just smart with how he uses it (and his enemies seem to be generally dumb).
2) Only reason Hashirama is considered here is for his Senju DNA. Against normal Chuunin+ ninja, assuming he only used weaker techniques so the fight could be extended, I do believe he could fight for quite a long time without rest. Also, there's no way Naruto can do that at all. He has only great stamina and a tailed beast.
Minato is only as fast as his seals can fly, eg he can throw kunai. Logically, there are many, many characters who are faster than a kunai. That's all I'm saying.So wait your talking away his arsenal to make others appear faster? Anyways his body flicker is above hokage level since he out sped the hokages and sasuke. Kcm and bm speed isinconsistent and even when he hit top speeds it was still considered equal to or slower than minato.
Sorry bro minato is speed king.
First of all we're talking about the fastest here in general- the only reason I brought up base speed at all is because it was mentioned, but it is beside the point. Second of all, the manga is flows throughout with people (including those who you mentioned) who have better "base speed" than Minato. But it's really besdie the point, we're discussing fastest speed, not fastest base speed.Kid don't make yourself look retarded.
Minato has the fastest base speed period. BM/KCM/SM naruto isn't base speed because it's boosted by a jutsu. Neither is Rock lee/Guy's gates, 3rd/4th Raikage's Raiton cloak. Tsunade and kakashi are just laughable, especially considering they don't have a 5 in DB. Not even sasuke has a 5 and he has better speed feats. Itachi has much better speed feats and stats than these 3; Even Kimimaro, bee, etc and they're all slower than minato.
Don't be irate because minato's speed king.
And his kunai's were shown to be faster than kakashi and Ay Lmao.Minato is only as fast as his seals can fly, eg he can throw kunai. Logically, there are many, many characters who are faster than a kunai. That's all I'm saying.
First of all we're talking about the fastest here in general- the only reason I brought up base speed at all is because it was mentioned, but it is beside the point. Second of all, the manga is flows throughout with people (including those who you mentioned) who have better "base speed" than Minato. But it's really besdie the point, we're discussing fastest speed, not fastest base speed.
And Minato just isn't worthy of that because from a logical viewpoint he's only as fast as his kunai. Frankly he's just largely supported by plot-no-jutsu.
And just saying Minato is one of my fave characters I'm not hating, just saying he's not the fastest logically![]()
That's why I said logically, he is supported by plot (many Naruto characters are supported/limited by plot). Anyhow, with Kakashi he just teleported as Kakashi was already holding a makred kunai. And with Ay he slightly flicked it up and then teleported away. As A moved forward his kunai remained behind, allowing him to teleport back behind him.And his kunai's were shown to be faster than kakashi and Ay Lmao.
Even in this case he's still the fastest
"His kunai speed it different than normal kunai speed" no it's not. Rather he's just supported by plot. His kunai's are shown at the same speed as everyone else.Minato is the fasted (not debatable) his kunai speed is different than normal kunai speed .
Remember when minato was outside than he carried kushina and naruto to his home in a second.
Anyway nice list the only thing debatable in my opinion is itachi hand seals
Kakashi also showed good hand seal skills
What do you mean supported by plot ? This is story telling if a plot Say he is the fatsest than he is .That's why I said logically, he is supported by plot (many Naruto characters are supported/limited by plot). Anyhow, with Kakashi he just teleported as Kakashi was already holding a makred kunai. And with Ay he slightly flicked it up and then teleported away. As A moved forward his kunai remained behind, allowing him to teleport back behind him.
"His kunai speed it different than normal kunai speed" no it's not. Rather he's just supported by plot. His kunai's are shown at the same speed as everyone else.
And he already had a kunai hanging in his house to he just tele'd![]()
By "supported by plot" I mean the only reason X is happening is because Kishimoto wants it to, regardless of whether or not in a real scenario such would be the case. Hence the term, plot-no-jutsu.What do you mean supported by plot ? This is story telling if a plot Say he is the fatsest than he is .
Also show me a scan of any kunai as the same speed as minato
I hope you dont mean in anime .
I was talking about his body flicker. Not ftg.Minato is only as fast as his seals can fly, eg he can throw kunai. Logically, there are many, many characters who are faster than a kunai. That's all I'm saying.
First of all we're talking about the fastest here in general- the only reason I brought up base speed at all is because it was mentioned, but it is beside the point. Second of all, the manga is flows throughout with people (including those who you mentioned) who have better "base speed" than Minato. But it's really besdie the point, we're discussing fastest speed, not fastest base speed.
And Minato just isn't worthy of that because from a logical viewpoint he's only as fast as his kunai. Frankly he's just largely supported by plot-no-jutsu.
And just saying Minato is one of my fave characters I'm not hating, just saying he's not the fastest logically![]()
Alright, then there are several who are much faster than Minato with just body flicker (which itself is faster than a kunai).I was talking about his body flicker. Not ftg.
minato speed without kunai is really fast he caught naruto in mid air when he was about to be stabbed by obito.By "supported by plot" I mean the only reason X is happening is because Kishimoto wants it to, regardless of whether or not in a real scenario such would be the case. Hence the term, plot-no-jutsu.
And I don't need to prove his move normal speed, rather you would need to prove they move faster than.
That speed is really average ninja speed... they move like that all the time through the forest. He was like a few yards away and is Hokage.minato speed without kunai is really fast he caught naruto in mid air when he was about to be stabbed by obito.
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No.. not really. Even when kcm and bm naruto uses body flicker he's compared to minato and even then he's considered slower. And if it's just body flicker(no bm,raiton armour, etc) minato still rains supreme, with maybe ems sasuke or itachi coming behind him.Alright, then there are several who are much faster than Minato with just body flicker (which itself is faster than a kunai).