The best Fuuton user

fuuton

  • Danzo

    Votes: 23 44.2%
  • Naruto

    Votes: 16 30.8%
  • Kakuzu

    Votes: 1 1.9%
  • Orochimaru

    Votes: 1 1.9%
  • Baki

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Temari

    Votes: 9 17.3%
  • Asuma

    Votes: 2 3.8%

  • Total voters
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Drakengard

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To be honest the manga heavily implied that Naruto was a better Fuuton user than Temari:
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I mean you can approach it from as many angles as you like calling out bias and what not but it seems too arranged for me not to submit to it.

Naruto mastered Wind Release but thus far doesn't have nearly as many applications for it like Danzo or Temari does. Depends which way you want to look at it.
 

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give ya a hint his name starts with naruto
 

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To add some rasengan element with fuuton, no one can do it. I bet u know the best user of fuuton.
 

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To be honest the manga heavily implied that Naruto was a better Fuuton user than Temari:
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I mean you can approach it from as many angles as you like calling out bias and what not but it seems too arranged for me not to submit to it.

Naruto mastered Wind Release but thus far doesn't have nearly as many applications for it like Danzo or Temari does. Depends which way you want to look at it.
No Naruto calling himself a better user wind user than Temari doesn't make him one. Naruto is pretty cocky and likes to boast about his power. I'm pretty sure he thought he was stronger than Tsunade in part 1 but he certainly wasn't. He also thought he could bring Sasuke back but he certainly could not.

I just read some entries on Danzo's fuuton and he is somewhat more versatile than Temari so I guess he is the best but considering Temari's fighting style revolves solely on fuuton, she is almost as good as Danzo. For example, Danzo can blow wind from his mouth to change his direction while fighting in mid-air which could allow him to dodge an attack while in the air. He can also use slicing based attacks or compressed wind blasts while Temari can only use multiple slicing based attacks. Danzo can also power up shuriken and kunai with wind natured chakra thereby increasing their range, power and distance travelled.

On the other hand, Temari's wind has a wider area of effect.
 

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No Naruto calling himself a better user wind user than Temari doesn't make him one. Naruto is pretty cocky and likes to boast about his power. I'm pretty sure he thought he was stronger than Tsunade in part 1 but he certainly wasn't. He also thought he could bring Sasuke back but he certainly could not.

I just read some entries on Danzo's fuuton and he is somewhat more versatile than Temari so I guess he is the best but considering Temari's fighting style revolves solely on fuuton, she is almost as good as Danzo. For example, Danzo can blow wind from his mouth to change his direction while fighting in mid-air which could allow him to dodge an attack while in the air. He can also use slicing based attacks or compressed wind blasts while Temari can only use multiple slicing based attacks. Danzo can also power up shuriken and kunai with wind natured chakra thereby increasing their range, power and distance travelled.

On the other hand, Temari's wind has a wider area of effect.
Well I dunno I don't like taking hype or feats as a sole basis. If character statements are void then we lose a lot of experience from this manga. I don't think that statement should have 0 weight on it. Who was Temari going to say anyways? Can't think of many other wind users but Baki unless there's an obvious one.
 

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Well I dunno I don't like taking hype or feats as a sole basis. If character statements are void then we lose a lot of experience from this manga. I don't think that statement should have 0 weight on it. Who was Temari going to say anyways? Can't think of many other wind users but Baki unless there's an obvious one.
She was saying that to be honest, there isn't another wind user better than me.

Biased character statements are always void. If Sasuke started to say that he is stronger than Madara, would you automatically agree that he is?
 

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I do believe I made a thread about this:

OT: Danzo
 

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Anyone who denies the power of Rasenshuriken is either a total idiot or just being a hater...
right now the only counter to Rasenshuriken is Shinra tensei which requires Rinnegan.

Except RG user & Edo tensei bodies no one can stop rasenshuriken
they can only avoid it but cant stop it
its that simple

Well actually, Danzo can counter Naruto's Rasenshurikan by just redirecting it with wind currents. Just because Naruto has one really strong wind tech doesn't mean he can beat Danzo's wind style

Using only wind style, Danzo > Naruto.
 

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Naruto has the best wind technique but danzo and temari are the best all around wind release users
 

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the third hokage was said to have the strongest wind tech that could hurt the third riakage
 

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She was saying that to be honest, there isn't another wind user better than me.

Biased character statements are always void. If Sasuke started to say that he is stronger than Madara, would you automatically agree that he is?
I agree after reading chapter 554 that she was either referring to nobody or Baki but I still don't think Temari is outright superior to Naruto in Wind Release. What we do know is that Temari admired FRS. Do you agree with me that it obviously did more damage to a V2 Raikage than what Temari was dishing out up to that point since she said her last attempt would have to be a Kiri Kiri Mai?

What would you consider a non biased statement then? Eg. I consider Sakon/Ukon to be above Kidomaru even though the latter impressed me more because Orochimaru was contemplating him more and it seemed back up by manga implications. Even if he were to say he could beat Edo Madara and died effortlessly I wouldn't take away the other statement from him. I don't agree with statements like Tsunade saying there's no way she can die with her technique but there's a big difference between a character spouting words of determination against their opponent and setting up the scene. I'm not taking this solely from Temari's words if that's what you mean, I'm just flowing with the atmosphere of the manga:
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His FRS did indeed fail but what's the point in creating this scenario for nothing? Obviously it was to show just how durable the Raikage's defense was by tanking the FRS but that in itself should mean he's being hyped because he survived such an advanced wind technique. Wasn't part of Naruto's training supposed to be mastering his Wind Element before trying to create the FRS anyways?

Honestly I don't prefer these types of questions because having a large amount of wind jutsu =/= being the best Futon user even though Temari is definitely one of the best users in the manga.
 

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Negato used fuuton techniques as well he could be added to the list.
 

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Naruto... Wind shuriken awesomeness
 

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I agree after reading chapter 554 that she was either referring to nobody or Baki but I still don't think Temari is outright superior to Naruto in Wind Release. What we do know is that Temari admired FRS. Do you agree with me that it obviously did more damage to a V2 Raikage than what Temari was dishing out up to that point since she said her last attempt would have to be a Kiri Kiri Mai?
Baki isn't an option since he is a close range wind style user and fighting the 3rd Raikage in CQC is suicide. Also he probably has basic wind ranged wind attacks but Temari is obviously the better wind user than him. As for FRS dealing more damage than Wind Cast Net, no because Wind Cast Net actually caused paper to come out of the 3rd's body whereas the FRS only released some smoke. FRS is more powerful though and has more chakra put into it but it doesn't have the same penetrating abilities as Wind Cast Net. Considering Naruto has already used his strongest wind jutsu but Temari still has yet to show how powerful kiri kiri mae has become in part 2 and considering the fact that she used two new jutsus during the Juubi fight, I'd say she is far above Naruto and maybe even Danzo although Ill let the fight continue before making a final decision.
What would you consider a non biased statement then? Eg. I consider Sakon/Ukon to be above Kidomaru even though the latter impressed me more because Orochimaru was contemplating him more and it seemed back up by manga implications. Even if he were to say he could beat Edo Madara and died effortlessly I wouldn't take away the other statement from him. I don't agree with statements like Tsunade saying there's no way she can die with her technique but there's a big difference between a character spouting words of determination against their opponent and setting up the scene. I'm not taking this solely from Temari's words if that's what you mean, I'm just flowing with the atmosphere of the manga:
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His FRS did indeed fail but what's the point in creating this scenario for nothing? Obviously it was to show just how durable the Raikage's defense was by tanking the FRS but that in itself should mean he's being hyped because he survived such an advanced wind technique. Wasn't part of Naruto's training supposed to be mastering his Wind Element before trying to create the FRS anyways?
Naruto has shown to be a show off so I don't consider his statements to be 100% true. He is also not very thoughtful or intelligent so I take his statements with a grain of salt. He also claimed in part 1 that Orochimaru is very strong but Sasuke is just as strong. I'm sure there were more statements from him but I can't remember them right now. Naruto also told Sakura that Sasuke wouldn't abandon the village but later on, that is exactly what he did.
Honestly I don't prefer these types of questions because having a large amount of wind jutsu =/= being the best Futon user even though Temari is definitely one of the best users in the manga.
If you count them up, it says Danzo has the most amount of wind jutsus excluding Temari's anime ones. I agree but someone who can use wind for defence and offence is better than one who uses it only for offence.
 

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Baki isn't an option since he is a close range wind style user and fighting the 3rd Raikage in CQC is suicide. Also he probably has basic wind ranged wind attacks but Temari is obviously the better wind user than him. As for FRS dealing more damage than Wind Cast Net, no because Wind Cast Net actually caused paper to come out of the 3rd's body whereas the FRS only released some smoke. FRS is more powerful though and has more chakra put into it but it doesn't have the same penetrating abilities as Wind Cast Net. Considering Naruto has already used his strongest wind jutsu but Temari still has yet to show how powerful kiri kiri mae has become in part 2 and considering the fact that she used two new jutsus during the Juubi fight, I'd say she is far above Naruto and maybe even Danzo although Ill let the fight continue before making a final decision.
Well I thought that Baki would be a decent guess because we haven't seen much of him. I don't think that Baki > temari in wind release either. But I disagree with the Wind Cast Net. She used it on a Raikage w/ no lightning shroud while Naruto hit a powered up Raikage with it. While wind is greater than lightning it shouldn't just make the shroud useless and continue on with the full damage. Temari even thought that Naruto's FRS worked, which must mean that she also underestimated the Third Raikage's defense.

The thing is, how hard do you think it would be for Naruto to learn a new Futon technique? Think about this: imagine a person has been isolated from all jutsu except for one ultimate jutsu that requires the most amount of ability to develop. At the same time, a person from another land can master quite a good quantity of wind jutsu. Now the first man comes into this land and when asked to pull off the same trick, learns how to in an hour. Doesn't that show how much greater the first person is? I will say that Naruto's creation of the FRS has to do with a loop hole thanks to his intuition, so I'll call him out on that for fair game. In theory, having a better jutsu doesn't technically mean you're a better user either. If you want to compare them under completely fair circumstances, you'd probably have to give them the same test or using the same technique. We use jutsu because it's the only practical way we can compare them.
Naruto has shown to be a show off so I don't consider his statements to be 100% true. He is also not very thoughtful or intelligent so I take his statements with a grain of salt. He also claimed in part 1 that Orochimaru is very strong but Sasuke is just as strong. I'm sure there were more statements from him but I can't remember them right now. Naruto also told Sakura that Sasuke wouldn't abandon the village but later on, that is exactly what he did.
I tend to try picking out the main idea behind the scenes. Like I said it's not purely by Naruto saying he's better. It's basically what the manga is implying. Naruto would be gloating if he didn't actually have a very complex Futon at the ready. This was the trend that I saw going on:
1) Temari realizes that her Futons are pretty useless against her opponent. She considers pulling out her most powerful jutsu.
2) Dodai (w/e his name is) tells her that the 3rd is known just as much for his defense as he is for his power and speed. Temari questions just exactly how he died. Dodai says that they need a more powerful Futon user for this to work out.
3) Temari wonders if there are any other Futon users in the Alliance more powerful than her. This should imply that she doesn't think that her last attack is guaranteed to work after what Dodai just told her but it's not too important.
4) Naruto suddenly arrives carrying a powered up version of the Rasengan that Temari recognizes and suddenly has a newborn hope.
5) Naruto hits him with it and the Alliance think they have won. But even that is not enough to defeat the nigh invincible body of the Third Raikage.
If you count them up, it says Danzo has the most amount of wind jutsus excluding Temari's anime ones. I agree but someone who can use wind for defence and offence is better than one who uses it only for offence.
I agree that Temari's jutsu is more practical. If it's Temari with a Rasenshuriken vs. Temari with all of her fan jutsu than yes the latter is more useful. But the question here is who is a better Futon user (which is why I hate the question to an extent) so it becomes more debatable.
 

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Well I thought that Baki would be a decent guess because we haven't seen much of him. I don't think that Baki > temari in wind release either. But I disagree with the Wind Cast Net. She used it on a Raikage w/ no lightning shroud while Naruto hit a powered up Raikage with it. While wind is greater than lightning it shouldn't just make the shroud useless and continue on with the full damage. Temari even thought that Naruto's FRS worked, which must mean that she also underestimated the Third Raikage's defense.
Considering the fact that FRS doesn't have penetrating qualities, I say the wind cast net would work better in both scenarios. Anyway she used another more powerful version albeit powered up by the Kyubbi in the recent chapter but Naruto was also powered up by the Kyubbi when he used his FRS against the 3rd Raikage. Temari simply overestimated the FRS just because it had more chakra put into it but the actual jutsu was less effective.
The thing is, how hard do you think it would be for Naruto to learn a new Futon technique? Think about this: imagine a person has been isolated from all jutsu except for one ultimate jutsu that requires the most amount of ability to develop. At the same time, a person from another land can master quite a good quantity of wind jutsu. Now the first man comes into this land and when asked to pull off the same trick, learns how to in an hour. Doesn't that show how much greater the first person is? I will say that Naruto's creation of the FRS has to do with a loop hole thanks to his intuition, so I'll call him out on that for fair game. In theory, having a better jutsu doesn't technically mean you're a better user either. If you want to compare them under completely fair circumstances, you'd probably have to give them the same test or using the same technique. We use jutsu because it's the only practical way we can compare them.
Considering Naruto isn't that great at learning jutsus compared to Sasuke. Naruto would have some troubles learning new techniques. Learning rasengan was rather easy if Konohamaru was able to learn it faster than Naruto did. Naruto would probably learn more wind jutsus faster with shadow clone training though. Going by what you are saying it is you want to even out the conditions so we compare base Naruto with Temari than?
I tend to try picking out the main idea behind the scenes. Like I said it's not purely by Naruto saying he's better. It's basically what the manga is implying. Naruto would be gloating if he didn't actually have a very complex Futon at the ready. This was the trend that I saw going on:
1) Temari realizes that her Futons are pretty useless against her opponent. She considers pulling out her most powerful jutsu.
2) Dodai (w/e his name is) tells her that the 3rd is known just as much for his defense as he is for his power and speed. Temari questions just exactly how he died. Dodai says that they need a more powerful Futon user for this to work out.
3) Temari wonders if there are any other Futon users in the Alliance more powerful than her. This should imply that she doesn't think that her last attack is guaranteed to work after what Dodai just told her but it's not too important.
4) Naruto suddenly arrives carrying a powered up version of the Rasengan that Temari recognizes and suddenly has a newborn hope.
5) Naruto hits him with it and the Alliance think they have won. But even that is not enough to defeat the nigh invincible body of the Third Raikage.
1. Visual evidence shows us that if 3rd Raikage wasn't and edo, he would have suffered some permanent wounds/scars.
2. True but they never got a fuuton user who could actually hurt the 3rd Raikage so that doesn't automatically make Naruto better unless his wind had actually worked.
3. Yeah you just proved my point, I'm pretty sure we are going to see more wind jutsus from Temari compared to Naruto.
4. Well the feel of the chakra from the rasenshuriken is very overwhelming.
5. Temari thought the same thing when she hit the 3rd Raikage with Wind Cast Net.
I agree that Temari's jutsu is more practical. If it's Temari with a Rasenshuriken vs. Temari with all of her fan jutsu than yes the latter is more useful. But the question here is who is a better Futon user (which is why I hate the question to an extent) so it becomes more debatable.
Yeah Sage Naruto and above would over power Temari's wind jutsus rather easily.

What do you think about Danzo though?
 

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Well I don't think this is going to go much farther than it is now. I already agreed that Temari's arsenal of jutsu would be more practical than a simple FRS. The question was just channeled into who is a better user of the element. If you think about it half of the difficulty involved with the FRS is shape manipulation which doesn't have to do with the actual wind element itself, and even that he did because of a loop hole using his street smarts (but is still a respectable accomplishment nonetheless). I'd still want more "hype" concerning the two's wind nature comparison since I don't usually take only one but it seems to lean towards Temari's favor. Maybe we'll learn more about it through the Fourth Databook.

As far as Danzo vs. Temari, well Temari seems to be a better user of the nature but Danzo has more shape manipulation on his side. Not to say she doesn't have manipulation since she cut cleanly through the samurai's armor and used a different form of Futon against sasuke in the summit from what I remember but I personally think Danzo has her beat in that category. When talking about which has a more useful move set, I think it depends. Danzo's Futons can change from multiple high level slashes to one large projectile to wind bullets and even to extending the length of his kunai's range by a huge increase. Temari's Futons rely on her fan while Danzo has to use hand seals for his. This whole thing reminds me of pokemon lol

If I use the logic of Temari with her fan vs. Temari with Danzo's jutsu or the same scenario with Danzo, I feel like Temari has more advantages on her side. Now the combinations Danzo uses his Futons for are probably better but from just Futon techniques...
 
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