[Discussion] The badassness concept of Roronoa Zoro via Oyaji theme

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Let's discuss this professionally :cool: That means, no insult to any fanbase, any member or whatever whoever alike, alright buddies? Unintelligent accusation and things as such must be put aside before posting any comment in this thread.
Oh and please, for the ones that haven't caught up to the latest chapter yet, refrain yourselves from keep on reading. There bound to contain spoilers here.


Now, i have just finished reading a... strangely unique, realistically bizarre manga called as by Moriyama Tsuru.
Luckily enough it has been completed, only 3 volumes are published, yet deserve 5 stars rating just as other longer series. The art is rather unbearable for the first few chapters, but i believe you guys (as One Piece fans which are very well familiar with such feeling) won't mind about it as long as the plot is superb, so i did just that, and upon finishing my reading, it shed a light on certain issue about Zoro.

From the very beginning, Zoro has been portrayed as the most badass crew in Strawhats, if we excluded Luffy. Starting his first appearance in the series, where he stick to his verdict of not eating and drinking for 3 months straight to show the marines his seriousness, to the latest state of him cutting a gigantic, 'moving city' of Pica over several powerful slashes, the slang 'badass' is almost no longer doing any justice to all of that. However, because of the same reason, people begin to get annoyed by his continuous superior feats, and accuse Oda for spoiling the marimo more than others.

My point is, Oda perhaps has his own characterisation standard he put in Zoro, that is, probably one of them is to be that badass. Thanks to Oyaji manga, I think i can prove that to you through these images:

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Oyaji (literally means 'father') is commonly a term for a middle aged man and beyond (but young men around 20's can also be called as Oyaji if they have such personae) that specifically ruthless, full of life experiences, impolite, unflattering reference, etc. However, following up Japanese arts and cultures, it is actually viewed as a man that is very mature, charismatic, hardworking and highly capable to protect others. Hence, the badassness. Oyaji in the Oyaji manga is stereotypical, the manliest of men.

Do notice both Zoro and Oyaji wear some identical attires, especially the haramaki. As we all know haramaki is usually worn by Japanese veterans, but for some reason Oda made Zoro wears that too. There must be a reason for such get up, despite Zoro's attire has changed after TS, he still keep his haramaki on. It's as if a sign of some kind of stereotype, and it leads to 'oyaji' principle.

Well, the bottomline is that maybe we could make do to this theory, where Oda is clearly trying to show that quality in Zoro with this concept. At the very least, the hate and annoyance on Zoro build up recently should be minimised and start to appreciate Zoro's efforts on becoming the WSS. We still have 10 years to go, there's so much room for other Strawhats to grow to our likings after all hence do cease the worries.

Feel free to say anything within the boundary.
 

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It was a nice read. Didn't know about the Haramaki thing, but i agree. Zoro's hardworking mentality is even one of the reasons he is one of my favourite characters. People complain about Zoro's portrayal, ignoring he is actually one of the most hardworkers if not the most in the series. The hardworker surpassing genius theme(although Zoro is also greatly talented) is something i like because it's something important even in real life

Edit: Btw is the Oyaji manga that good? :p
 
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zoro is not even close to the badass level of oyaji, let alone the lack of character development he has compared to him.
but each to their own.
 

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It was a nice read. Didn't know about the Haramaki thing, but i agree. Zoro's hardworking mentality is even one of the reasons he is one of my favourite characters. People complain about Zoro's portrayal, ignoring he is actually one of the most hardworkers if not the most in the series. The hardworker surpassing genius theme(although Zoro is also greatly talented) is something i like because it's something important even in real life

Edit: Btw is the Oyaji manga that good? :p
You can google it up if you wanna know more about haramaki :)
Yeah, well, i like all Strawhats, though Luffy is more special to me, but it kinda annoying to read the posts that bash Zoro due to the recent hypes. Ofc i too feel there's so much of Zoro as of now, however i can comprehend why he's been shown like that.

Yup, Oyaji is damn amazing. It makes you cringe, gape, smile, and cry. I warn you. It's uncensored in any way possible. Don't let the art put you off.

Oyaji is so f*cking badass!

Any Zoro wank would be put back in it's place if everyone read it
Have you read it? It's awesome, isn't it.

Haha we can't really compare a young, single man as Zoro to the elderly, married man as Oyaji. Zoro would lose.

zoro is not even close to the badass level of oyaji, let alone the lack of character development he has compared to him.
but each to their own.
Ofc. Oyaji is a middle aged man, his experiences are more varied compare to Zoro's. He has quite a bitter past as well.
 
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You can google it up if you wanna know more about haramaki :)
Yeah, well, i like all Strawhats, though Luffy is more special to me, but it kinda annoying to read the posts that bash Zoro due to the recent hypes. Ofc i too feel there's so much of Zoro as of now, however i can comprehend why he's been shown like that.

Yup, Oyaji is damn amazing. It makes you cringe, gape, smile, and cry. I warn you. It's uncensored in any way possible. Don't let the art put you off.



Have you read it? It's awesome, isn't it.

Haha we can't really compare a young, single man as Zoro to the elderly, married man as Oyaji.
Well... you can compare their badassery

Considering Oyaji isn't a superpowered swordsman with Haki at his disposal he's far more badass. Everything about him is manly. Back hair. Huge c*ck. Blocks swords with his arms. All for his family. He's way more badass than Zoro even in his sleep

The manga lacks character development of anyone other than Oyaji'n, but even so, it's bucking amazeballs
 

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You can google it up if you wanna know more about haramaki :)
Yeah, well, i like all Strawhats, though Luffy is more special to me, but it kinda annoying to read the posts that bash Zoro due to the recent hypes. Ofc i too feel there's so much of Zoro as of now, however i can comprehend why he's been shown like that.
Really? I personally feel Oda abandoned Zoro's development after the timeskip(at least so far). I prefer pretimeskip Zoro because he usually used to train and consider fights as a way to improve himself. All these things seemed to disappear after the timeskip. Not to mention, his panel time greatly decreased compared to before. Now it's true that compared to other strawhats not named Luffy, it's still huge, but not like before really. I guess Law's involvement changed a lot of things

But i do like all strawhats as well. They all have different qualities, though Luffy and Zoro share the first spot for me and it constantly switch depending on the weeks :p

I guess i'd try having more info on the haramaki thing on google
Yup, Oyaji is damn amazing. It makes you cringe, gape, smile, and cry. I warn you. It's uncensored in any way possible. Don't let the art put you off.
A seinen? Interesting :cool:
 

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Well... you can compare their badassery

Considering Oyaji isn't a superpowered swordsman with Haki at his disposal he's far more badass. Everything about him is manly. Back hair. Huge c*ck. Blocks swords with his arms. All for his family. He's way more badass than Zoro even in his sleep

The manga lacks character development of anyone other than Oyaji'n, but even so, it's bucking amazeballs
Haha indeed. I've never read such great manga, i mean, the manliest of all, even i could tolerate all the violence he caused. Oyaji is very different than Zoro. Although we may compare their badassery, the outcome itself depends on their lifestyles. Zoro since childhood has no qualm about family stuff, let alone having a problem with it, he only has a bad memory of his deceased friend. While Oyaji has an abusive father and a loving mother, with all those incidents transpired, it would be a wonder if Oyaji hasn't turned out being badass now.

Though i have no intention of literally comparing Zoro = Oyaji, just trying to state the concept of it, and Oyaji is a stereotype character as a stereotype oyaji Japanese have been talking about throughout the years.
One Piece has much wider diversity, so the pace of its each character development is praiseworthy for a long series. Oyaji manga, continuously focus on Oyaji and a little bit of his family, in return, it's only a short series. Both are incredible in their own way.
 

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Haha indeed. I've never read such great manga, i mean, the manliest of all, even i could tolerate all the violence he caused. Oyaji is very different than Zoro. Although we may compare their badassery, the outcome itself depends on their lifestyles. Zoro since childhood has no qualm about family stuff, let alone having a problem with it, he only has a bad memory of his deceased friend. While Oyaji has an abusive father and a loving mother, with all those incidents transpired, it would be a wonder if Oyaji hasn't turned out being badass now.

Though i have no intention of literally comparing Zoro = Oyaji, just trying to state the concept of it, and Oyaji is a stereotype character as a stereotype oyaji Japanese have been talking about throughout the years.
One Piece has much wider diversity, so the pace of its each character development is praiseworthy for a long series. Oyaji manga, continuously focus on Oyaji and a little bit of his family, in return, it's only a short series. Both are incredible in their own way.
Preach motherf*cker, preach!
 

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Finished read Oyaji Manga last night, truly 5/5 manga. Oyaji badassness around Zoro lvl, but still Guts badassness > Oyaji.

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